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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 12:35:48 GMT -5
With a name like "beerwench" what do you think?
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 27, 2011 12:35:59 GMT -5
Found more.. Whadya know! Halloween's Origins The word Halloween is derived from the term "All Hallows Eve" which occurred on Oct. 31, the end of summer in Northwestern Europe. "All Saints Day," or "All Hallows Day" was the next Day, Nov. 1st. Therefore, Halloween is the eve of All Saints Day. Apparently, the origins of Halloween can be traced back to ancient Ireland and Scotland around the time of Christ. On Oct. 31st, the Celts celebrated the end of summer. This was important because it was when animal herders would move their animals into barns and pens and prepare to ride out the winter. This was also the time of the crop harvests. This annual change of season and lifestyle was marked by a festival called Samhain -- pronounced 'sow-ane' and means 'end of summer.' Sow rhymes with cow. There was much superstition associated with this time of change including the belief in fairies, and that the spirits of the dead wandered around looking for bodies to inhabit. Since the living did not want to be possessed by spirits, they dressed up in costumes and paraded around the streets making loud noises to confuse and frighten the spirits away. In addition, the new year began for the Celts on Nov. 1. So, the day of Samhain was believed to be a day that was in neither the year past or the year to come. Since it was in between, chaos ruled on that day. Often, people would pull practical jokes on others as a result. Later, around the 5th century, as the Catholic Church developed and moved into the area, instead of adding a new day to celebrate, it took over the Samhain celebration. Nov. 1st became "All Hallows Eve" where all the saints of the Catholic church were honored. A later custom developed where people would go door-to-door on Nov. 2, requesting small cakes in exchange for the promise of saying prayers for some of the dead relatives of each house. This arose out of the religious belief that the dead were in a state of limbo before they went to heaven or hell and that the prayers of the living could influence the outcome. This may have been the precursor to Trick-or-Treat.The Jack-O-Lantern apparently comes from Irish folklore about a man named Jack who tricked the devil into climbing a tree. Once the devil was in the tree, Jack carved a cross on the trunk, preventing the devil from coming down. The devil then made a deal with Jack not to allow Jack into hell after Jack died if only Jack would remove the cross from the tree. After Jack died, he couldn't go to hell, and he couldn't go to heaven. He was forced to wander around the earth with a single candle to light his way. The candle was placed in a turnip to keep it burning longer. When the Irish came to America in the 1800's, they adopted the pumpkin instead of the turnip. Along with these traditions, they brought the idea that the black cat was considered by some to be reincarnated spirits who had prophetic abilities. So, it appears that the origins of Halloween are a mixture of old Celtic pagan rituals superstition and early Catholic traditions. Thanks and have a nice day.. Going trick or treating this weekend with my nieces and nephews and will be hitting a couple of haunted houses.. I think my "soul" is in check.. ;D
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 27, 2011 12:39:08 GMT -5
With a name like "beerwench" what do you think? LOL..dunno.. have a beer maybe? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 12:43:08 GMT -5
That's a good start!
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Post by steff on Oct 27, 2011 12:43:25 GMT -5
Here, deep in the Bible belt... our entire COUNTY tried to "cancel" Halloween because it was on a Sunday. They sent out letters & had town hall meetings to attempt to get parents to NOT allow their children to trick or treat on a Sunday. Stressing how it was "evil" to celebrate "death" on "God's day".
here in the BIBLE belt....
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 27, 2011 12:44:31 GMT -5
Thats a shame.. I wouldn't miss it no matter what day its on!
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 27, 2011 12:45:55 GMT -5
More interesting read... Can the Christian celebrate Halloween? The answer is simple: Yes and No. Let’s look at the negative first. The Christian is not to be involved with or support the occult, witchcraft, demonism, or any other thing that uplifts the occult. To do so is to contradict God’s word, dabble in demonic spirits, and invite judgment from God. If a Halloween celebration is centered on demons, devils, spirits, etc., I would say don't have anything to do with it. On the other hand, it isn't wrong to dress up in a costume and go door-to-door saying "Trick or Treat." Provided that the costume isn't demonic, I can't see anything wrong with this. It's just fun for the kids.Take a look at the Christmas tree. It was originally an ancient fertility symbol. Yet, it has become a representation of Christmas and the place where gifts are placed. Are the Christians, then, paying homage to an ancient pagan fertility god? No. Not at all. They do not consider it pagan at all and are simply joining in on a cultural event and giving no honor to anything unbiblical. Then in verses 28-29 he says, "But if anyone should say to you, 'This is meat sacrificed to idols,' do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience' sake; 29 I mean not your own conscience, but the other man's; for why is my freedom judged by another's conscience?" (NASB). Paul is saying that if you find out the meat was sacrificed to idols, don't eat it -- not because of you, but because of the other person. In other words, eating that meat won't affect you. But, it may affect the attitude of another who does not understand the freedom the Christian has in Christ. Is it any different with Halloween (or Christmas)? No. Even though Halloween has pagan origins, because of your freedom in Christ, you and/or your kids can dress up in costumes and go door-to-door and just have fun. However, if you are not comfortable with doing this, then you should not. If you know of a person who would be hindered by doing it, then you shouldn't either. IMO, too many people are just too uptight. Enjoy life..
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 27, 2011 12:46:10 GMT -5
That's a good start! Please...Someone throw me one too.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 27, 2011 12:47:24 GMT -5
Tosh is driving me to drink. I already got rid of an ex who did that. Do I have to deal with it here too?
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 27, 2011 12:47:59 GMT -5
That's a good start! ;D Yep!
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Post by steff on Oct 27, 2011 12:48:17 GMT -5
Thats a shame.. I wouldn't miss it no matter what day its on! Just goes to show how far a religious group with political pull will go to control the lives of everyone now doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 12:49:28 GMT -5
At least virtual drinking won't ruin your liver! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 12:49:49 GMT -5
Thats a shame.. I wouldn't miss it no matter what day its on! Just goes to show how far a religious group with political pull will go to control the lives of everyone now doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 12:50:00 GMT -5
The Pagan Origin of Halloween The name "Halloween" comes from the All Saints Day celebration of the early Christian church, a day set aside for the solemn remembrance of the martyrs. All Hallows Eve, the evening before All Saints Day, began the time of remembrance. "All Hallows Eve" was eventually contracted to "Hallow-e'en," which became "Halloween." As Christianity moved through Europe it collided with indigenous pagan cultures and confronted established customs. Pagan holidays and festivals were so entrenched that new converts found them to be a stumbling block to their faith. To deal with the problem, the organized church would commonly move a distinctively Christian holiday to a spot on the calendar that would directly challenge a pagan holiday. The intent was to counter pagan influences and provide a Christian alternative. But most often the church only succeeded in "Christianizing" a pagan ritual--the ritual was still pagan, but mixed with Christian symbolism. That's what happened to All Saints Eve--it was the original Halloween alternative! The Celtic people of Europe and Britain were pagan Druids whose major celebrations were marked by the seasons. At the end of the year in northern Europe, people made preparations to ensure winter survival by harvesting the crops and culling the herds, slaughtering animals that wouldn't make it. Life slowed down as winter brought darkness (shortened days and longer nights), fallow ground, and death. The imagery of death, symbolized by skeletons, skulls, and the color black, remains prominent in today's Halloween celebrations. The pagan Samhain festival (pronounced "sow" "en") celebrated the final harvest, death, and the onset of winter, for three days--October 31 to November 2. The Celts believed the curtain dividing the living and the dead lifted during Samhain to allow the spirits of the dead to walk among the living--ghosts haunting the earth www.gty.org/resources/Articles/A123
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 27, 2011 12:50:47 GMT -5
Thats a shame.. I wouldn't miss it no matter what day its on! Just goes to show how far a religious group with political pull will go to control the lives of everyone now doesn't it? The key is don't let anyone "control" you.. That is how I have always been. I don't consider myself a groupie! lol ;D
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 27, 2011 12:52:05 GMT -5
So Joey,. whatcha dressing up as this year? ;D
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 27, 2011 12:52:40 GMT -5
At least virtual drinking won't ruin your liver! ;D True. ;D
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Post by steff on Oct 27, 2011 12:53:01 GMT -5
Just goes to show how far a religious group with political pull will go to control the lives of everyone now doesn't it? The key is don't let anyone "control" you.. That is how I have always been. I don't consider myself a groupie! lol ;D actually the "key" is don't ever let religion into politics. because this is the kind of nonsense they attempt to regulate and control when it isn't necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 12:54:39 GMT -5
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 27, 2011 12:55:49 GMT -5
And vice versa.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 27, 2011 12:57:59 GMT -5
The key is don't let anyone "control" you.. That is how I have always been. I don't consider myself a groupie! lol ;D actually the "key" is don't ever let religion into politics. because this is the kind of nonsense they attempt to regulate and control when it isn't necessary. I agree. Both sides do it and the holler at each other for doing it! LOL.. Its a vicious cycle
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 27, 2011 13:01:08 GMT -5
CHECK THIS OUT.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 27, 2011 13:02:47 GMT -5
Tosh is driving me to drink. I already got rid of an ex who did that. Do I have to deal with it here too? Hey Femme. I need to get SKys over hear and post. She has the best uplighting posts.. Gotta run some errands. HAGD
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 27, 2011 13:04:06 GMT -5
OMG. Femme, that is too cool. I had back way the hell up and saw Marilyn!
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Post by Tosh on Oct 27, 2011 13:08:26 GMT -5
I would pray for you but you may take offence. ;D
I am kicking away the chair as we speak, do not try and talk me out of it.
Bye
I'm going.
Too late.
oops forgot to put the tie on.
I think I have done my back in and crushed Buzz Lightyear.
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Post by steff on Oct 27, 2011 13:11:35 GMT -5
actually the "key" is don't ever let religion into politics. because this is the kind of nonsense they attempt to regulate and control when it isn't necessary. I agree. Both sides do it and the holler at each other for doing it! LOL.. Its a vicious cycle Interesting, I've never heard of a NON religious group trying to control Halloween like the example I gave..... but of course, it's more fun to act like it's not religion that's trying to control people thru the government. And of course, there cant be any "this is bad" without adding "a liberal did it!" to the religious folks.....
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Oct 27, 2011 13:16:41 GMT -5
I would pray for you but you may take offence. ;D I am kicking away the chair as we speak, do not try and talk me out of it. Bye I'm going. Too late. oops forgot to put the tie on. I think I have done my back in and crushed Buzz Lightyear. blocked due to malware warnings/smilies/imgs/girly/girly025_2.gif[/img]
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 27, 2011 13:17:30 GMT -5
I would pray for you but you may take offence. ;D I am kicking away the chair as we speak, do not try and talk me out of it. Bye I'm going. Too late. oops forgot to put the tie on. I think I have done my back in and crushed Buzz Lightyear. You wouldn't pray so I know betta.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 27, 2011 13:23:45 GMT -5
Maybe not in the technical sense but atheists do try and wish people well or hope things improve, the message is probably the same but we address it to the lucky stars instead of God. I am a lovely man, unlike your friend Joel and your ex-husband.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 27, 2011 13:25:10 GMT -5
Maybe not in the technical sense but atheists do try and wish people well or hope things improve, the message is probably the same but we address it to the lucky stars instead of God. I am a lovely man, unlike your friend Joel and your ex-husband. I wasn't talking about an ex husband. I was talking about an ex bf.
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