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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2011 13:31:01 GMT -5
I'm trying to avoid it, actually. I bought a Dyson. It's hypocritical to call any vacuum cleaner "Eureka"!
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 13:32:22 GMT -5
Hello mmhmm.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 25, 2011 13:39:15 GMT -5
If a person does not believe in god then the can't be a sinner. ----------------- I reject the entire concept of "sin".
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 13:41:02 GMT -5
I find this man and the whole prosperity gospel movement immoral and corrupt, it contradicts the fundamental teachings of Jesus and preys on needy and unfortunate people. This disgusting human being is using Jesus as a vehicle to make money, lots of money. Jesus must be turning in his grave, he did not idolize material wealth, he preached against it. Preaching financial rewards to love thy neighbor as oneself demeans humanity, regardless of ones religious beliefs. I pity both the needy and the greedy, may God have mercy on their soul. I just saw this. Sorry. I know I said I wouldn't be debating again but you just called Joel Osteen disgusting!! Yet we are ridiculed for having our beliefs. Tosh, your opinions and beliefs are just that, but to call a Man of God disgusting is very sad. Joel Osteen is a great Preacher/Minister. He has been blessed by God in his capabilities of reaching out to millions of God Loving People on a daily basis. I do not think that he is preaching for his wealth at all. And if he is wealthy it is because God blessed him with an amazing gift to go Preach His Word. If he makes profit from his outstanding Performance as a Man of God, then it's because God willed it that way. Peace.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2011 13:42:10 GMT -5
Hiya, femme. Hope you're having a good day, hon. I'm getting ready to get some things done around here. Someone posted a thread about procrastination but I procrastinated responding to it. ;D
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 13:46:56 GMT -5
Hiya, femme. Hope you're having a good day, hon. I'm getting ready to get some things done around here. Someone posted a thread about procrastination but I procrastinated responding to it. ;D I'm actually having a great day mmhmm. ;D I have been getting some things done around here, in between posting of course. Hope you have a good one. I can see Tosh needs a spanking.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 13:48:06 GMT -5
If a person does not believe in god then the can't be a sinner. ----------------- I reject the entire concept of "sin". Me too. The breaking of a gods laws is meaningless to me. I have my own set of morals and ethics that I abide by.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 13:53:03 GMT -5
I find this man and the whole prosperity gospel movement immoral and corrupt, it contradicts the fundamental teachings of Jesus and preys on needy and unfortunate people. This disgusting human being is using Jesus as a vehicle to make money, lots of money. Jesus must be turning in his grave, he did not idolize material wealth, he preached against it. Preaching financial rewards to love thy neighbor as oneself demeans humanity, regardless of ones religious beliefs. I pity both the needy and the greedy, may God have mercy on their soul. I just saw this. Sorry. I know I said I wouldn't be debating again but you just called Joel Osteen disgusting!! Yet we are ridiculed for having our beliefs. Tosh, your opinions and beliefs are just that, but to call a Man of God disgusting is very sad. Joel Osteen is a great Preacher/Minister. He has been blessed by God in his capabilities of reaching out to millions of God Loving People on a daily basis. I do not think that he is preaching for his wealth at all. And if he is wealthy it is because God blessed him with an amazing gift to go Preach His Word. If he makes profit from his outstanding Performance as a Man of God, then it's because God willed it that way. Peace. You say your god is a kind and charitable god, perhaps he wouldn't mind if Mr. Osteen donated some of his cash to the poor and needy. The apostle Paul did not charge most churches for his preaching and he is the "most" influential writer in the new testament.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 13:55:09 GMT -5
I just saw this. Sorry. I know I said I wouldn't be debating again but you just called Joel Osteen disgusting!! Yet we are ridiculed for having our beliefs. Tosh, your opinions and beliefs are just that, but to call a Man of God disgusting is very sad. Joel Osteen is a great Preacher/Minister. He has been blessed by God in his capabilities of reaching out to millions of God Loving People on a daily basis. I do not think that he is preaching for his wealth at all. And if he is wealthy it is because God blessed him with an amazing gift to go Preach His Word. If he makes profit from his outstanding Performance as a Man of God, then it's because God willed it that way. Peace. You say your god is a kind and charitable god, perhaps he wouldn't mind if Mr. Osteen donated some of his cash to the poor and needy. The apostle Paul did not charge most churches for his preaching and he is the "most" influential writer in the new testament. JA, I am a very avid fan of Mr. Osteen. He does give to charities and he helps with lots of Organizations. I couldn't tell You the names of them all. He is far from greedy.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 25, 2011 13:56:04 GMT -5
your opinions and beliefs are just that, but to call a Man of God disgusting is very sad. --------------------- A Man of God? We're prosecuting plenty of those men up here. Priests who diddle little boys are supposedly "Men of God", and yes, they're disgusting.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 13:59:04 GMT -5
Weltzie, if you're talking to me...You're on IGNORE. And no I'm not weak, I just don't care to see anything you have to say. Have a chocol ;Date.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 14:02:31 GMT -5
You say your god is a kind and charitable god, perhaps he wouldn't mind if Mr. Osteen donated some of his cash to the poor and needy. The apostle Paul did not charge most churches for his preaching and he is the "most" influential writer in the new testament. JA, I am a very avid fan of Mr. Osteen. He does give to charities and he helps with lots of Organizations. I couldn't tell You the names of them all. He is far from greedy. I certainly hope he donates a large amount of his fortune. Apparently he is quite wealthy. I see that as a red flag when savvy business people make money off other people beliefs. But thats just me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 14:03:47 GMT -5
your opinions and beliefs are just that, but to call a Man of God disgusting is very sad. --------------------- A Man of God? We're prosecuting plenty of those men up here. Priests who diddle little boys are supposedly "Men of God", and yes, they're disgusting. Welts, have you ever read any of Andrew Greeleys books? Very interesting they are.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 14:06:24 GMT -5
JA, I am a very avid fan of Mr. Osteen. He does give to charities and he helps with lots of Organizations. I couldn't tell You the names of them all. He is far from greedy. I certainly hope he donates a large amount of his fortune. Apparently he is quite wealthy. I see that as a red flag when savvy business people make money off other people beliefs. But thats just me. He's a Great Man. He brings great, uplifting sermons daily that help people from all walks of this Earth. He has to make his money some way. No different than you or me. The Lord says we will be rewarded if we preach and teach his Word. But I'm sure that he simply enjoys doing what he's doing, or I highly doubt he'd be doing it. Kudos!
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 14:08:04 GMT -5
Everyone sins...Preachers, teachers, Mothers, Fathers. There is no discrimination when it comes to sin. The devil works too. Especially on the ones who are trying to live right.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 25, 2011 14:10:39 GMT -5
Welts, have you ever read any of Andrew Greeleys books? Very interesting they are. --------------------- No, but I'll check it out, thanks.
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Post by diamonds on Oct 25, 2011 14:11:54 GMT -5
Hiya, femme. Hope you're having a good day, hon. I'm getting ready to get some things done around here. Someone posted a thread about procrastination but I procrastinated responding to it. ;D .... I had to comment as that is my middle name...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 14:13:15 GMT -5
Everyone sins...Preachers, teachers, Mothers, Fathers. There is no discrimination when it comes to sin. The devil works too. Especially on the ones who are trying to live right. You can't sin if you don't believe in sin.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 14:15:02 GMT -5
Everyone sins...Preachers, teachers, Mothers, Fathers. There is no discrimination when it comes to sin. The devil works too. Especially on the ones who are trying to live right. You can't sin if you don't believe in sin. So hmmmm....ok...what do you believe? Do you believe in right and wrong?
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 25, 2011 14:20:12 GMT -5
Welts, have you ever read any of Andrew Greeleys books? Very interesting they are. --------------------- No, but I'll check it out, thanks. I just looked him up and he sounds like an author I'd like to read. Quebec used to be rabidly Catholic and sexual abuse used to be rampant and widespread, especially in the orphanages. Many women gave up their children because they obeyed the Pope and couldn't use birth control. The abuse was truly horrific, and some of the stories make me weep.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 14:24:54 GMT -5
Hiya, femme. Hope you're having a good day, hon. I'm getting ready to get some things done around here. Someone posted a thread about procrastination but I procrastinated responding to it. ;D .... I had to comment as that is my middle name... Mine too diamonds. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 14:28:27 GMT -5
You can't sin if you don't believe in sin. So hmmmm....ok...what do you believe? Do you believe in right and wrong? Morals are the personal ethics that people carry with them. Religion does not have exlusive rights to morals.
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Post by kent on Oct 25, 2011 14:31:35 GMT -5
I really don't know why I'm posting on this particular thread but here it goes anyway: If someone says they don't believe in God, I'm fine with that but..... I'd ask that person if they believe there's such a thing as a billion dollars. If they say yes, then I'd ask them if they've ever seen a billion dollars. If they say no to that, I'd ask them how can you believe there's such a thing as a billion dollars but you've never seen it? Oh, and as W.C. Fields, an atheist, once said: Fields spent his last weeks in a hospital, where a friend stopped by for a visit and caught Fields reading the Bible. When asked why, Fields replied, "I'm checking for loopholes." Fields died in 1946 (from an alcohol-related stomach hemorrhage) on the holiday he claimed to despise: Christmas Day. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._C._FieldsFields’ close friends Gene Fowler and John Decker visited Fields while he was hospitalized for the last time (at the Las Encinitas Sanatorium), enduring a bout of delirium tremens. They caught W. C. reading the Bible, and Gene said, “What? You, Bill, reading the Bible? You’re an atheist, what are you doing reading the Bible?” To which Fields replied, “I’m looking for a loophole.” wordalone.org/nr/wc-fields.shtml
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 14:34:41 GMT -5
Very interesting article kent. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 14:42:41 GMT -5
I just saw this. Sorry. I know I said I wouldn't be debating again but you just called Joel Osteen disgusting!! Yet we are ridiculed for having our beliefs. Tosh, your opinions and beliefs are just that, but to call a Man of God disgusting is very sad. Joel Osteen is a great Preacher/Minister. He has been blessed by God in his capabilities of reaching out to millions of God Loving People on a daily basis. I do not think that he is preaching for his wealth at all. And if he is wealthy it is because God blessed him with an amazing gift to go Preach His Word. If he makes profit from his outstanding Performance as a Man of God, then it's because God willed it that way. Peace. You say your god is a kind and charitable god, perhaps he wouldn't mind if Mr. Osteen donated some of his cash to the poor and needy. The apostle Paul did not charge most churches for his preaching and he is the "most" influential writer in the new testament. Joey, not to get into a debate, once again. But as I posted before, I know this family personally. The DO not take a salary. They do send a large % to other countries and do help with many communities and organizations. Joel never asks for donations, in fact if you want a tape of any sermon, they are free. He does live off what he gets from his books. I am not sure why anyone would have a problem with that. His books are a positive uplifting message. He is human just like anyone else. He does not make promises, in fact he promises that we all we go thru trials and troubles, just as God says we will.. He just says that God will never leave you and see you thru, just as God's word says... I do know that there are some Ministers that are not on the up and up. but I don't know them. I do know this family. Another problem with people is that they put ministers up on pedestals or under microscopes and when they do make a mistake they cast stones and boulders at them. People make mistakes... people are human... The Osteens are great people. Thank you
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 14:44:59 GMT -5
your opinions and beliefs are just that, but to call a Man of God disgusting is very sad. --------------------- A Man of God? We're prosecuting plenty of those men up here. Priests who diddle little boys are supposedly "Men of God", and yes, they're disgusting. I agree, but don't paint all Men of God/Ministers/Preachers with that broad brush.. One, two or a hundred bad apples does not make the entire crop bad.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 14:45:03 GMT -5
Well said Nanna.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 14:45:38 GMT -5
your opinions and beliefs are just that, but to call a Man of God disgusting is very sad. --------------------- A Man of God? We're prosecuting plenty of those men up here. Priests who diddle little boys are supposedly "Men of God", and yes, they're disgusting. I agree, but don't paint all Men of God/Ministers/Preachers with that broad brush.. One, two or a hundred bad apples does not make the entire crop bad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 14:46:39 GMT -5
This goes for people of every race, religion or "lifestyle choice".
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 14:48:51 GMT -5
This goes for people of every race, religion or "lifestyle choice". I agree with ya 100%!
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