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Post by Shirina on Oct 21, 2011 12:30:51 GMT -5
Actually, they're not at all in conflict. External factors can interfere with instinctual responses. If that were not the case, then we would be a slave to our instincts. Think of the reported infanticide of female babies in China. The societal pressures of having a "superior" male baby coupled with the legally enforced birth limit overrides the nurturing instinct that mothers have. Instinctively, Chinese mothers want to care for their babies just as much as anyone else, but knowing that your family's wealth and property will pass to someone else without a male heir ... that is an external factor that often negates or overpowers the raw nurturing instinct. After all, I doubt that millions of Chinese mothers were failed to be taught how to be nurturing thus touching off an unprecedented rash of female infanticide.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 21, 2011 12:31:59 GMT -5
Are you suggesting that if you don't believe in God ... and more specifically ... do not adhere to your religion, then you are fundamentally evil? I believe that is what she is saying. The other path...hmmmmm... I'm not implying no such thing. Please don't twist or turn my words. First of all, I don't like "fixed" religion. I am just saying, we can choose God or not. I am saying we can choose Good or Evil. I have some evil ways and I have to repent constantly. I am not judging anyone. So you can just stop right there, ok? I am not here to fight about God. Just stating what I believe, as You and others do. Later.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Oct 21, 2011 12:33:43 GMT -5
The argument is about a gene for nuturing. No where in science can you produce the evidence that such a gene exist.
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Post by Shirina on Oct 21, 2011 12:37:26 GMT -5
Because an omniscient God apparently had no idea whatsoever that Adam and Eve would sin.
Christians like to say that God didn't create obedient humans because God wanted everyone to choose Him with their own free will.
Okay ... then why didn't God only create those people who He knew would voluntarily choose Him?
What's the point of all of this sinning and whatnot?
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 21, 2011 12:38:39 GMT -5
Because an omniscient God apparently had no idea whatsoever that Adam and Eve would sin. Christians like to say that God didn't create obedient humans because God wanted everyone to choose Him with their own free will. Okay ... then why didn't God only create those people who He knew would voluntarily choose Him? What's the point of all of this sinning and whatnot? I don't question God's intentions. I don't have to. He has a Plan and I trust and have Faith. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 12:42:08 GMT -5
Because an omniscient God apparently had no idea whatsoever that Adam and Eve would sin. Christians like to say that God didn't create obedient humans because God wanted everyone to choose Him with their own free will. Okay ... then why didn't God only create those people who He knew would voluntarily choose Him? What's the point of all of this sinning and whatnot? I don't question God's intentions. I don't have to. He has a Plan and I trust and have Faith. Sorry. circular logic...again...sigh...
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Post by Shirina on Oct 21, 2011 12:42:39 GMT -5
So essentially science is allowed when it FAILS to produce evidence, but is dismissed when it SUCCEEDS in producing evidence?
If we're going to travel down that road, shouldn't there also be an Original Sin gene or a Capacity To Do Evil gene? If there isn't, then I guess .... well, you get the picture.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 21, 2011 12:44:31 GMT -5
I don't question God's intentions. I don't have to. He has a Plan and I trust and have Faith. Sorry. circular logic...again...sigh... Sorry You don't get it JA. But once again, I can't make You believe, no more than you can make me not. No sarcasm needed.
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Post by Shirina on Oct 21, 2011 12:44:45 GMT -5
Then isn't praying a demonstration of a lack of trust in God's Plan? After all, why would you have to ask God to do anything at all - including things like give you strength, etc. - if doing so was already part of the Plan to begin with? And if it wasn't, why would you beseech a perfect God to alter His perfect Plan?
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 21, 2011 12:45:15 GMT -5
EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Oct 21, 2011 12:46:38 GMT -5
So essentially science is allowed when it FAILS to produce evidence, but is dismissed when it SUCCEEDS in producing evidence? If we're going to travel down that road, shouldn't there also be an Original Sin gene or a Capacity To Do Evil gene? If there isn't, then I guess .... well, you get the picture. you dont need to tell me sharina , lol that is Tosh's department.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Oct 21, 2011 12:47:44 GMT -5
Sharina , One is science . The other is Faith.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 12:48:05 GMT -5
circular logic...again...sigh... Sorry You don't get it JA. But once again, I can't make You believe, no more than you can make me not. No sarcasm needed. Its frustrating, how does one respond to "because I said so". ;D You are more than welcome to your beliefs. I don't begrude you that. I would like to discuss your beliefs but questioning the word of your god seems to inevitably become a circular logic event. I don't judge you, so please don't tell me I'm going to go to burn in hell if I don't believe in your god, its not nice I tell you.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 21, 2011 12:50:00 GMT -5
Sorry You don't get it JA. But once again, I can't make You believe, no more than you can make me not. No sarcasm needed. Its frustrating, how does one respond to "because I said so". ;D You are more than welcome to your beliefs. I don't begrude you that. I would like to discuss your beliefs but questioning the word of your god seems to inevitably become a circular logic event. I don't judge you, so please don't tell me I'm going to go to burn in hell if I don't believe in your god, its not nice I tell you. Would you like to quote me to where I said "you were going to burn in hell? You remind me of my ex, twisting shit all around. OOPSIE, I just cursed.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 21, 2011 12:50:54 GMT -5
And also where did I say, " because I said so"? I need more Popcorn. I'm running out.
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Post by Shirina on Oct 21, 2011 12:55:12 GMT -5
If I am going to have faith in something, it has to have a foundation rooted in something factual. For instance, I have faith that my car will start in the morning because there is evidence to suggest that it will. Yet it is still faith because it may not - the battery might be dead, it might break down, it might be out of gas, etc.
I know you think that an atheist's purpose is to convince you not to believe. Perhaps that is true for some, but for me, personally, I write these posts to show you why I don't believe. I suppose, in a way, you could call it a way of reaching out. Now, perhaps you're not at all interested in the reasons why I do not believe, but seeing as how this IS a religious debate thread, this is one of the few places I can express those reasons without being looked at as if I've sprouted three heads and a prehensile tail.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 21, 2011 12:56:23 GMT -5
That's what I thought. You put words in our mouths and then call us the negative ones. I would never tell a person they are going to burn in hell. That's why I hate being on this thread. It just goes round and round and because Christians or spiritual peeps believe and try to say we live by FAITH, You guys just ain't buying it. So why even bother? Hagd everyone. Later Tosh.
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Post by Shirina on Oct 21, 2011 13:01:45 GMT -5
Actually, you didn't. The word "shit" is just a word, and it means the same exact thing as poop, excrement, or doo-doo ... and yet we have singled out the word "shit" as being inappropriate while the other words are fine. This is a societal construct, not a divine one, so I really don't believe God gives a damn if you say "shit."
In fact, the word "profane" does not mean bad words (even though we call it profanity for some bizarre reason). Profane references anything that is not holy, so theoretically your pencil is profane. Over the centuries, the word has taken on a completely different definition.
So rest assured, you're not committing a sin by saying "shit." ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 13:02:00 GMT -5
Its frustrating, how does one respond to "because I said so". ;D You are more than welcome to your beliefs. I don't begrude you that. I would like to discuss your beliefs but questioning the word of your god seems to inevitably become a circular logic event. I don't judge you, so please don't tell me I'm going to go to burn in hell if I don't believe in your god, its not nice I tell you. Would you like to quote me to where I said "you were going to burn in hell? You remind me of my ex, twisting shit all around. OOPSIE, I just cursed. Good comes from God and He lives inside of You if you truly believe, if not, well then...You choose the other path. JMO~ So where then does the other path lead? To Starbucks?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 13:04:23 GMT -5
That's what I thought. You put words in our mouths and then call us the negative ones. I would never tell a person they are going to burn in hell. That's why I hate being on this thread. It just goes round and round and because Christians or spiritual peeps believe and try to say we live by FAITH, You guys just ain't buying it. So why even bother? Hagd everyone. Later Tosh. lol
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Post by Shirina on Oct 21, 2011 13:07:31 GMT -5
Well, now that you mention it ...
Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to get bent out of shape when an atheist says something negative while putting up with quotes like the one above on your supposedly anti-negative Bible quote thread?
It seems to me that everyone should be held to the same standard. Just because Rick - the author of the above quote - shares your belief is no justification for allowing nastiness or not putting him on ignore.
Wouldn't you agree? Or are atheists the only ones restricted in their speech?
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 21, 2011 13:14:12 GMT -5
Would you like to quote me to where I said "you were going to burn in hell? You remind me of my ex, twisting shit all around. OOPSIE, I just cursed. Good comes from God and He lives inside of You if you truly believe, if not, well then...You choose the other path. JMO~ So where then does the other path lead? To Starbucks? Well if You don't believe in God, I highly doubt....ummm..Never mind. But Starbucks would be great right now. A White Chocolate Mocha would be great. Oh and once again, quote me where I said "you're going to burn in hell".
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 21, 2011 13:14:50 GMT -5
That's what I thought. You put words in our mouths and then call us the negative ones. I would never tell a person they are going to burn in hell. That's why I hate being on this thread. It just goes round and round and because Christians or spiritual peeps believe and try to say we live by FAITH, You guys just ain't buying it. So why even bother? Hagd everyone. Later Tosh. lol What's so funny?
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 21, 2011 13:16:05 GMT -5
Btw, we are on page 69!!
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 21, 2011 13:16:48 GMT -5
...right back atcha JA! ;D
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Post by pilgrim47 on Oct 21, 2011 13:19:16 GMT -5
Some would say that God's plan is to put us to the test...
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 21, 2011 13:20:58 GMT -5
Some would say that God's plan is to put us to the test... Oh trust me, I've been tested. Hi pilgrim. You're new?
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Post by jkscott on Oct 21, 2011 13:21:14 GMT -5
So rest assured, you're not committing a sin by saying "shit." ;D I think the meaning of the word is irrelevant in regards to if using it is a sin or not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 13:21:21 GMT -5
Good comes from God and He lives inside of You if you truly believe, if not, well then...You choose the other path. JMO~ So where then does the other path lead? To Starbucks? Well if You don't believe in God, I highly doubt....ummm..Never mind. But Starbucks would be great right now. A White Chocolate Mocha would be great. Oh and once again, quote me where I said "you're going to burn in hell". Forgive me, its linear logic. Not something religious people are apt to use. When you typed: " Good comes from God and He lives inside of You if you truly believe, if not, well then...You choose the other path."That implies the other path is to hell. Hell is a pretty warm place, in fact it may even be a fiery place.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 13:22:10 GMT -5
...right back atcha JA! ;D
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