Tosh
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 10:23:40 GMT -5
You assume correctly, they were identified by what they caused, we had spirits for everything, we actually did not know much at all, it must have been very confusing when we first became fully aware of our existence.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 12, 2011 10:27:35 GMT -5
Tosh, m'lad, do you need handling again? Are you being a PITA to these nice people? Pray, tell me this, dearest Toshy: Does a thought exist? You have them, I have them, everyone has them ... thoughts, that is. They're not concrete. One cannot hold them in one's hand, but one does hold them in one's mind. One holds memories there, as well, and they're like thoughts. They have no solid form; however, they exist in their own special realm. To deny them is to deny reality, as one's thoughts serve to define one's reality and one's memories serve to enhance it.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 10:27:51 GMT -5
Any parent will tell you once a child gets to an age where it has theory of mind, it uses one word an awful lot .
Why ?
Think of our post cognizant ancestors waking up some 100,000 years ago, as children.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 10:32:21 GMT -5
An open mind is good, I don't believe people of faith have an open mind, it is closed, you are suggesting they are lacking in enlightenment. Who am I to argue. There is a difference between an open mind and an empty one.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 12, 2011 10:37:43 GMT -5
Someone said ignorance is bliss. That was in a Kelly Clarkson song.. ;D
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 12, 2011 10:39:03 GMT -5
Tosh, m'lad, do you need handling again? Are you being a PITA to these nice people? Pray, tell me this, dearest Toshy: Does a thought exist? You have them, I have them, everyone has them ... thoughts, that is. They're not concrete. One cannot hold them in one's hand, but one does hold them in one's mind. One holds memories there, as well, and they're like thoughts. They have no solid form; however, they exist in their own special realm. To deny them is to deny reality, as one's thoughts serve to define one's reality and one's memories serve to enhance it. MMhmm...Very good point! Aha!
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 12, 2011 10:43:02 GMT -5
Hee! Toshy and I have sparred before. Fortunately, he's one with whom one can spar while maintaining a friendly relationship. While I'm not a believer, I do understand my thoughts are mine and not necessarily those of others; nor, do they have to be so. I make my decisions and live accordingly. I pay the price for my actions and I reap the benefits. The same is true of everyone. How one is guided to make decisions is unique to each individual. That, to me, is as it should be.
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Post by Cj on Oct 12, 2011 10:46:49 GMT -5
An open mind is good, I don't believe people of faith have an open mind, it is closed, you are suggesting they are lacking in enlightenment. Who am I to argue. There is a difference between an open mind and an empty one.And the self-appointed one to make that distinction would be whom? You?
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 10:50:28 GMT -5
lol, I wasnt aware you had handled me before, I must have missed the meeting. Not at all, I am one of the nice people you mentioned, or did this slip your mind ? Our thoughts exist because our consciousness is physical, your thoughts can be measured, there is no special realm and there is no ghost in the machine. Our brain consists of billions of neurons connected by billions of synapses, neuroscience can identify which part of the brain certain thoughts are electrochemically created. Thoughts are real, the content of these thoughts must be proven to be real, this is why we devised the scientific method and deductive logic. Hope this knowledge comes in useful the next time you wish to handle me. ;D
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 10:55:41 GMT -5
Knowledge is secretly hidden in things called books, if you have only read one book then the mind is pretty empty.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 12, 2011 11:01:43 GMT -5
Ouila! Yes, Tosh, thoughts are real. Very real. Yet, they are not concrete. The vessel that houses them is concrete as are the neurons and synapses, but the thoughts are not. God, as those who believe see Him, is the equivalent of a thought, and that thought need be proven only to its holder. There is no requirement to prove one's thoughts to others, as they have their own thoughts. As to handling you, you are a forgetful chap! I'm mortified! I shall, however, persevere. ;D
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 12, 2011 11:01:55 GMT -5
Yeah Tosh is ok personality wise. Just wish I could make him believe. Maybe if he met me and I could sit down with him face to face and preach to him.
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Oct 12, 2011 11:02:21 GMT -5
Not all knowledge is acquired through reading books and not all books contain knowledge.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 12, 2011 11:05:28 GMT -5
Not all knowledge is acquired through reading books and not all books contain knowledge. FS! Everytime I see your avatar it cracks me up. It's so kewl. ;D
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Oct 12, 2011 11:06:39 GMT -5
Not all knowledge is acquired through reading books and not all books contain knowledge. FS! Everytime I see your avatar it cracks me up. It's so kewl. ;D Thanks, Fem. It never fails to put a smile on my face either. How are you?
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Post by Cj on Oct 12, 2011 11:06:58 GMT -5
Knowledge is secretly hidden in things called books, if you have only read one book then the mind is pretty empty. You know that is evasive. No one here sounds to me as if they have read only one book in their lives. A bit of a non sequitur, but I'll let it go. Have a good day Tosh and everyone, have to get going soon.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 11:06:59 GMT -5
Your thoughts are not your own, your consciousness is the sum of all antecedent causes, if your environment was Ancient Greece then according to you, Zeus is a reality.
Our thoughts do not make reality, you can not wish gravity away, you can not fly.
Our consciousness interprets our senses and it is very unreliable and susceptible to illusion, delusion and hallucination, these are the reasons why we devised an objective method of establishing what actually exists. It is irrelevant what you think exists, existence must be proven or demonstrated.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 11:11:10 GMT -5
Knowledge is secretly hidden in things called books, if you have only read one book then the mind is pretty empty. I would agree wholeheartedly with that. Information is a good thing, there are many, many interesting and touching books available.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 12, 2011 11:12:08 GMT -5
It is OBVIOUS that creation did not create itself. I am not sure how much more obvious it could be. Do you mean to say that it's OBVIOUS that we were created by an omnipotent airborne superbeing, who thought us into existence?
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 12, 2011 11:17:38 GMT -5
Your thoughts are not your own, your consciousness is the sum of all antecedent causes, if your environment was Ancient Greece then according to you, Zeus is a reality. Our thoughts do not make reality, you can not wish gravity away, you can not fly. Our consciousness interprets our senses and it is very unreliable and susceptible to illusion, delusion and hallucination, these are the reasons why we devised an objective method of establishing what actually exists. It is irrelevant what you think exists, existence must be proven or demonstrated. Were I in ancient Greece, Zeus would be a reality if I were a believer, indeed! I can accept that, as I can accept there were probably ancient Greeks who didn't believe in Zeus. I find nothing in that to be perplexing. We are the sum of our thoughts and our memories, both individual and collective. For that reason, none of us are identical. I find that a wonderful thing, and the thought of having a need to physically prove every thought is abhorrent to me. It squeezes the very individuality out of life, removing the mystery and leaving nothing more than cold facts. Far better to embrace our differences as we embrace our own thoughts, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 11:21:31 GMT -5
It is OBVIOUS that creation did not create itself. I am not sure how much more obvious it could be. Do you mean to say that it's OBVIOUS that we were created by an omnipotent airborne superbeing, who thought us into existence? Repetition doesn't make it true. Facts would help, but alas you have none. That really doesn't give you much to debate with does it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 11:24:48 GMT -5
Don't drink the kool aid guys.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 11:26:48 GMT -5
pfffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttttttt............I thought this was RedBull!
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 11:27:48 GMT -5
Thoughts are physical, science and knowledge says you are wrong. Read above and weep. ;D God is a thought, the thought of God exists, this does not mean god exists, neither does it mean Elvis is alive. If you tell me your thought is true then I am entitled to request you prove it. Being entitled to your thoughts does not make them true. Dearest, you are not handling lovely Toshy very well in this debate, are you now ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 11:31:57 GMT -5
Elvis is alive and well and living in Miami, I believe this to be true, therefore it is.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 12, 2011 11:36:25 GMT -5
Don't drink the kool aid guys. LOL!!!!!!!! Missed you, JA.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 12, 2011 11:36:58 GMT -5
Elvis is alive and well and living in Miami, I believe this to be true, therefore it is. I wish he was. He was one of the sexiest Men alive. ;D
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 12, 2011 11:37:53 GMT -5
Tosh, you're all about the Science aren't you? I always hated Science in school. I think I slept during that class.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 12, 2011 11:43:10 GMT -5
Praise the Lord!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 11:44:01 GMT -5
Well, I slept through religion.
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