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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 6:18:25 GMT -5
lol, I know, because you say so, it is like chatting to a 5 year old.
Ricky, it may have escaped your attention but we have actually never met, you do not know me to comment on my goodness or lack thereof.
Your opinion as always is unsubstantiated, or gobbledygook in common parlance.
Maybe you are a psychic, forgive my spelling error. ;D
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 6:20:16 GMT -5
You KNOW your creator as well as you KNOW me, this is not good.
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Post by lilyofcourse on Oct 12, 2011 6:58:59 GMT -5
Yes. God does exist.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 7:19:49 GMT -5
Perhaps not: So if I deny the existence of god then I don't get into heaven. Which is fine with me because I don't believe in heaven either. To the believers, I say enjoy your afterlife! But please do not think that you need to "save" us non-believers because we aren't interested in what you're "selling". ;D
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 8:21:46 GMT -5
Dry your eyes and wipe away your tears, Toshy poo is not poor in spirit nor in means, and his heart is wide open. I just don't believe in Bronze age myths, do you open your heart to Zeus ?
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 8:25:44 GMT -5
Of course he does Lily my dear, but only in your mind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 8:28:59 GMT -5
Of course he does Lily my dear, but only in your mind. Where else do you expect to find him?
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 8:29:42 GMT -5
God's existence has not been established, this negates its existence. In the infamous words of Jerry McGuire, " Show me the money ".
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Post by jemima on Oct 12, 2011 8:34:37 GMT -5
You are certainly full of confidence, mate.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 8:58:17 GMT -5
Good afternoon Archie, Only in the mind was not intended as a where statement, but a how statement. How else do I expect to find him ? Through physical evidence. Perhaps I should have worded it better, how about " only in your imagination " ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 9:09:08 GMT -5
You want physical evidence? God killed my father.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 9:09:50 GMT -5
Why thank you dearest, I probably agree since there is evidence to support this possibility.
Anything is possible is a meaningless concept, one cherished by fence sitting agnostics ( spit) and other airy fairy thinkers.
It is illogical to presuppose the existence of anything without reason or evidence.
What are we supposed to be looking for and even if we fell over it, how would we know we had found it ?
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 9:12:47 GMT -5
This is physical evidence that your father is dead, it is not physical evidence that the cause of your father's death was God.
I assume you are not a lawyer. ;D
The defense rests.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 9:17:55 GMT -5
If God is defined as having no physical properties then it simply does not exist, there is nothing to identify God and without an identity one can not exist.
Simples really, dem are da rules.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 9:24:54 GMT -5
Darkness does not exist, it has no properties, we can not identify darkness, it is simply a term that describes the absence of light. God does not exist, it has no properties, we can not identify god, it is simply a term that describes the absence of knowledge. In my humblest of Scottish opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 9:31:10 GMT -5
This is physical evidence that your father is dead, it is not physical evidence that the cause of your father's death was God. I assume you are not a lawyer. ;D The defense rests. Ha. The tables have turned. My father is actually alive and well, thanks be to God.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 9:33:00 GMT -5
LOL Arch! But it still has nothing to do with the topic. Maybe we need to get mmhmm over here to take care of the riff-raff.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 9:34:24 GMT -5
I am glad to hear that, alas my father is dead and God did not kill him, but he is still dead. Peace.
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Post by jemima on Oct 12, 2011 9:38:19 GMT -5
What is a fence sitting agnostic?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 9:42:44 GMT -5
A person who hedges their bets on a higher being while sitting on a fence?
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 9:46:14 GMT -5
One who is incapable of forming an opinion on metaphysical claims of existence because they are unknowable.
Agnosticism is an intellectually inferior position, in my opinion.
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Oct 12, 2011 9:51:25 GMT -5
So, the term "God" implies, to you, the absence of knowledge? Please explain.
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Post by Cj on Oct 12, 2011 10:02:41 GMT -5
A person who hedges their bets on a higher being while sitting on a fence? Does that make me riff-raff too? Ohhh this is so not going to end well for me. The absence of knowledge is a nice way of saying ignorant. dem der fightin' words!
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Post by Cj on Oct 12, 2011 10:07:26 GMT -5
My stance is one of an open mind, willing to hear opposing views and collecting information (thanks for the links btw) How could that possibly be construed as ignorant is beyond me. Learning, or questing for knowledge, is the epitome of intelligence. A closed mind is one truly lacking in enlightenment imho.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 10:12:08 GMT -5
Our primitive ancestors knew pretty much zip about the natural world around them, our brains operate on a cause and effect mechanism ( how and why ) and we did not know what caused most of the effects.
In order to explain why or how things happened we assumed the causes were hidden from us, there were unseen agents causing everything, we called these unseen agents spirits. We copied the natural world as a model for the spirit world, and spirits were given human traits.
Spirits evolved into many gods and then one god, the last spirit standing, the ultimate and first cause of effects became known as Yahweh.
Yahweh answered the how and why questions until we acquired knowledge, some disregard this knowledge out of faith in Yahweh, because Yahweh provides one important answer they wish to hear.
" Will I die ? "
Knowledge says yes, Yahweh says no.
Peace.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 12, 2011 10:17:49 GMT -5
Praise the lord and thank him for this beautiful day he has given us.Thank him for the people he has put in our paths that make it clear he is the almighty and the struggles we face make us stronger in our faith. I pray that Mr Tosh will soften his hear and will recieve the lord. You all have a great day today. Thank You, Rick for my Morning Prayer. It's exactly what I needed to say and hear. K for you...
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Post by jemima on Oct 12, 2011 10:18:37 GMT -5
Spirits are not physical properties that then can be identified I assume?
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 12, 2011 10:18:44 GMT -5
GM, Tosh, Rick and the rest.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 12, 2011 10:20:01 GMT -5
Someone said ignorance is bliss.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 12, 2011 10:23:33 GMT -5
LOL Arch! But it still has nothing to do with the topic. Maybe we need to get mmhmm over here to take care of the riff-raff. You rang?
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