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Post by inhouston on Dec 21, 2010 17:27:58 GMT -5
We all need Moderators..... IMHO
Good Mods : Mod E Rovo Virgil Veteran lender
Crappy ; Archie & Savoir faire
Other Mods - some better - none worse
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Dec 21, 2010 17:55:42 GMT -5
Anyone but LongSam who overstayed her usefulness as a Moderator about 8 years ago IMHO Crappy ; Archie & Savoir faire That is being kind and gives "crappy" a bad name
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Post by deziloooooo on Dec 21, 2010 18:20:44 GMT -5
mmm I liked Sam as a moderator.
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Post by inhouston on Dec 21, 2010 18:22:35 GMT -5
IMHO - Agree on the poor quality of LongSam also - still not as bad a MOD as Archie the drag or Savior faire
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Dec 21, 2010 18:34:59 GMT -5
It woud have to be people (I say people instead of person because there will need to be a few mods to make the job less daunting and time-consuming) without preconceived biased feelings toward certain posters one way or the other. Some of the CofC rules from the old boards could be integrated into this forum's CofC. And since MOST of us already should know from experience what's acceptable behavior/language or not, whomever is chosen as one of the rotating mods should be given common respect while they 'get their feet wet' to see if they're a good fit for the job or not. Then the Administrator can make the final decision whether to give that person full Moderator status or not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 19:09:33 GMT -5
Just to point out (& understand here I don't CARE) that voting for MODS may not be a good idea. Of course we would go into it meaning well. But sooner or later it would become a popularity contest. Some people might make mistakes on what should stay & shouldn't simply because they wanted to stay popular. Also just because your well liked does not mean that you would make a good (or even fair) MOD. I hate to say this but someone has to have the final say & that should be moon. Lastly rotating MODS is complicated & a sure way to get someone as MOD that shouldn't be. There's a saying that it's lonely at the top. It's true because you have to make the hard choices & that's a MODS job. Something that most of you overlook. The last person that should be judging if something you posted was proper or not is YOU. That's because you have already posted it & you will always side with you. That's why your not a fair judge of your own posts. I would NEVER argue with a MOD over something I posted because they can see it much clearer than I can. Just my thoughts.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Dec 21, 2010 19:31:50 GMT -5
Tex: When I used the term "rotating mods" I should have been more specific. What I meant by that was the moderators (when decided upon) would be working a rotating schedule set up depending on what hours they would be available to be here.
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Post by Sammy on Dec 21, 2010 19:50:23 GMT -5
I think I saw that Sam and Later would. Huh? Na ah, never said that my little pork rind. Gathering a few posters who can help with moderating and who come from various boards may be the way to go. From experience it's asking for trouble to have friends moderate friends, so all the more reason to build a small core group of mods from a cross section of boards. The test comes when you leave a board open to new membership and know little if anything about a new member. That's where the moderating will come into play. Relax, you have the freedom to choose which direction the board will go in. The only suggestion I would make is keep the board open for new 'blood', so to speak. Boards can easily stagnate if membership is closed and the board made private. Bringing outside interests to the board is a great way to keep it fresh and fun.
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Post by deziloooooo on Dec 21, 2010 20:17:44 GMT -5
"I would NEVER argue with a MOD over something I posted because they can see it much clearer than I can"..Good point , thus my reson for reposting. The thing that bugged me on the old board was the crying when some one had a delete or a ban, like there is anything so earth shaking posted that needs to be there for posterity. Some of those back and forths seem to take on a life of it's own.The mods were there for a reason. A few times , when politely asked what's up , there were changes, or reasons given and I appreciated a heads up before action taken. I posted a lot and got in the habit of reviewing posts before posting..or putting in my exact feelings...then removing them. Even went back at once and deleted when it really got to me and I posted anyway, but realized over the line.. I was never banned and only had a few heads up , and I know I can upset some, especially since I lean middle left, but still tried to post with in the lines and remembering C of C. I think if all could remember that, check, think , before you hit post , moderating will be a eassy vocation here, no reason it shouldn't be really.
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Post by inhouston on Dec 21, 2010 21:00:59 GMT -5
Moderators - Pick them carefully - as bluerobin stated
I can "move" some posts over here (or direct you to them) on the old MSN boards from a couple of so-called MSN moderators - who refused to enforce the COC with offensive posters.
Then "made up" their own moderating rules - as they went along ......
Actually - I think I will do just that Moonbeam - then make your choices for Mod nominees.......
bluerobin - no Crox on the weekly stock pick?
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Post by Sammy on Dec 21, 2010 21:31:52 GMT -5
Moderators - Pick them carefully - as bluerobin stated I can "move" some posts over here (or direct you to them) on the old MSN boards from a couple of so-called MSN moderators - who refused to enforce the COC with offensive posters. Then "made up" their own moderating rules - as they went along ...... Actually - I think I will do just that Moonbeam - then make your choices for Mod nominees....... bluerobin - no Crox on the weekly stock pick? I nominate "inhouston".
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Post by moon/Laura on Dec 21, 2010 22:10:44 GMT -5
inhouston, i am not selecting the nominees myself. they are volunteering, or being nominated by someone other than myself. I will take all of them and put them in a poll for all of you to vote on.
i really only posted on EE, so i don't know people from the other boards well enough to be able to say who's fair or not. you all know who you respect and who you don't.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Dec 21, 2010 22:28:12 GMT -5
If a person is volunteering (or nominated) they might also want to state which board they use or frequent the most or have a preference for, since they would probably be more familiar with the personalities of the regular posters in that specific section of the forum.
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Post by deziloooooo on Dec 21, 2010 23:25:26 GMT -5
I posted this some where else so not knowing where your going to get the names of those to be voted on I submit Diverdown34 as a moderator on the 'Political Market" board. I have found him very fair and helpful with issues. I know he has been active for 10 years or more, a good part of that time as a moderator and has not used his politicle feelings/leanings as a way to moderate any mischief on the the threads. He also had a lot to do with the cleaning up of the misuse of the headers of the threads that had disintigrated into a game of who could come up with the most outrageouse remarks that kept many posters from coming to the threads . I also would suggest Tall-guy if he has the time, another fair minded and quiet but effective moderator, also having a lot to do with cleaning up the problems that had taken over the threads. I think both these people would be fine moderators, IF they are still interested in the position.
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Post by Apple on Dec 22, 2010 10:22:01 GMT -5
OK, so.... I DO NOT want to be a mod. However, I'm trying to copy recipes from the old boards before they go away, and it might be handy to be able to create new folders instead of having to ask Moon every time. I could also help whoever wants to be the mod on SS remove any spam if it ever comes up or something. AGAIN, NOT A MOD!! I don't want to have to be an example
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Post by lovetobike on Dec 22, 2010 12:09:54 GMT -5
Is anyone wondering if we are violating MSN copyright by using the same thread names that they created? I understand why we are using them to keep things familiar. But I was on the Bundle site looking at the Women in Red section and began to wonder about that. Any thoughts?
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Dec 22, 2010 12:34:57 GMT -5
I don't think that's even an issue, since most of the MSN moderators are here already. I doubt MSN has a copyright on the titles for the different forums. Using their logo or other MSN-owned material would be another story.
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Post by floridayankee on Dec 22, 2010 12:53:59 GMT -5
Good Mods : Mod E Rovo Virgil Veteran lender VL...a good mod? lmao, that's rich. He has to be one of the most opinionated, biased posters on the MSN boards. VL could burn his own house down and it'd be all Bush's fault.
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Post by MB-NY on Dec 22, 2010 13:05:47 GMT -5
Is anyone wondering if we are violating MSN copyright by using the same thread names that they created? I understand why we are using them to keep things familiar. But I was on the Bundle site looking at the Women in Red section and began to wonder about that. Any thoughts? It's a good question, and I'm no expert, but I doubt we would be violating any copy-written material. However, if we are, it would not be that big of a deal to modify the thread names enough to avoid trouble. Besides, I'm sure MSN has more important things to do besides checking on us and our little bitty message board.
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Post by moon/Laura on Dec 22, 2010 13:15:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure either, obviously. But as MB said, if need be, the names CAN easily be changed.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Dec 22, 2010 13:37:02 GMT -5
I can see how grandfathering in the MSN moderators gives a sense of legitimacy to the new board by preserving as much of the old culture as possible. I think having the users pick some of the moderators is a good idea because there are several (yes, myself included) who would like the position and may not have had a chance when MSN was the owner.
Also to that point, the MSN code of conduct was for MSN, and not all rules will be required over here. Surely one of the benefits of being "privately owned" is that the rule book can be much shorter.
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Post by quotequeen on Dec 22, 2010 13:45:10 GMT -5
I like the voting. If the old mods were good and want to stay mods they will be elected. The old mods that were not good will be not be chosen.
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Post by TD2K on Dec 22, 2010 14:14:21 GMT -5
Copyright doesn't apply to a single words like "Your Money" or "Everything Else". MSN would have to trademark those phrases if they wanted to protect it.
Now, the posts on YM would be copyright protected. Technically, to copy those over would be a violation of copyright laws. I can't remember if MSN terms and conditions assigned "your" copyrights to them as a term of posting on their site or if MSN would even care. If you copied one of Liz's articles, that's another matter.
You don't have register to gain copyright protection for something you create, it's established simply when you create it though registering something can make it easier to prove you were the one to create it.
There is the doctrine of fair use but it has limits on it also.
That's just my opinion.
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Post by The Virginian on Dec 22, 2010 15:10:03 GMT -5
If Mods are necessary then I like the voting also. I just hope this board doesn't as restrictive as MSN. Nothing wrong with having a little fun as well as learning.
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Post by Anne_in_VA on Dec 22, 2010 15:35:20 GMT -5
JMO - I like the idea of voting for the mods, although I wouldn't like to see it become a popularity contest, although I think most of us wouldn't do that. I'll leave it to Moon to decide how it should be done, however.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Dec 22, 2010 16:32:48 GMT -5
Can we campaign?
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Dec 22, 2010 18:23:04 GMT -5
I like the idea of elections every so often, and I'm assuming if a mod starts getting smite happy, we can let moonbeam know. I'm not sure there are going to be many new posters on this board, it would be kind of a random board to come across by doing a search.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Dec 22, 2010 18:27:18 GMT -5
We all need Moderators..... IMHO Good Mods : Mod E Rovo Virgil Veteran lender Crappy ; Archie & Savoir faire Other Mods - some better - none worse I thought SF was a pretty decent mod most of the time and was pretty even handed...at least on the P&M Board. He did kind of blow up on Duff there at the end though. I'm going to absolutely disagree on VL. He/She seemed to have issues with deleting post that he/she disagreed with while ignoring attacks by those who were more in line with the same political philosophy. I don't know the other mods, but I'm assuming different people have different opinions about different mods.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Dec 22, 2010 21:35:32 GMT -5
Ok, who hit the smite button on me?
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Post by TD2K on Dec 22, 2010 21:55:10 GMT -5
<Can we campaign? >
LOL, smite buttons for everyone!!!
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