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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 21, 2011 22:00:18 GMT -5
Looks like Obama has about as many votes as the prominent polls show- - - - 29% I have to ask, , , , Is that enough to carry the presidency? If the other 61% gets split between various other aspirants... it could be. And if a significant segment of those polled fail to make it to the polls at the proper time, it will affect the outcome as well. All the polling and surveys are just an exercise... because the only valid poll occurs on Election Day. Not really most of the National Polls leading up to the elections about three or four weeks before the final vote is cast are very accurate ... Which National Polls Were Most Accurate in 2008? Last week, we examined how close Real Clear Politics' state averages came to actually predicting the results in the 2008 Presidential election. In most cases, the Real Clear Politics averages were on the money, though there were some abnormalities. What about the national polls? Professor Costas Panagopoulos, a professor at Fordham, analyzed poll estimates from 23 different organizations to see which polls were most accurate. Rasmussen tied with Pew Research for the top ranking. Some of the other tracking polls did fairly well - the GWU/Battleground poll was 4th and the Diageo/Hotline poll was 5th. Generally, polls conducted by the mainstream media were most inaccurate. NBC, ABC and CBS were ranked 13th, 14th, and 16th, respectively. CBS' separate poll with the New York times was even worse, coming in 19th place. Newsweek's poll came in dead last at number 20. We have chronicled problems with Newsweek's polls and we believe they are generally unreliable. www.beyondthepolls.net/2008/11/which-national-polls-were-most-accurate.html
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Post by moon/Laura on Aug 21, 2011 22:02:36 GMT -5
Oh, good heavens. I am hardly an English professor, but I surely think that a presidential candidate ought to be able to write a coherent (read NON run-on) sentence. I didn't take the post seriously, at all. Did you? Really? I didn't.. but I'm sure others do/did. But it's hard to prove one way or the other if it's the 'real' James Dee Shinn, so I choose not to be completely insulting.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 22, 2011 1:03:39 GMT -5
"Oh, good heavens. I am hardly an English professor, but I surely think that a presidential candidate ought to be able to write a coherent (read NON run-on) sentence. " ----------------------------------- How about a vice-presidential candidate? "We realize that more and more Americans are starting to see the light there and understand the contrast. And we talk a lot about, OK, we're confident that we're going to win on Tuesday, so from there, the first 100 days, how are we going to kick in the plan that will get this economy back on the right track and really shore up the strategies that we need over in Iraq and Iran to win these wars?" -SP
As such, Sarah Palin can talk, basically, like a child and be lionized by a robust number of perfectly intelligent people as an avatar of American culture. And linguistically, let’s face it: she is. -John McWhorter
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 22, 2011 7:20:59 GMT -5
Note that "Other" is not an option since (according to the websites I've consulted), the above list includes all currently registered candidates/parties. Actually, I think you're a few short Virgil. 196 people have filed their Statement of Candidacy with the FEC to register as a 2012 presidential candidate. fec.gov/press/press2011/presidential_form2nm.shtml
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 22, 2011 10:40:09 GMT -5
OK, thanks for the updated list, Yankee.
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 22, 2011 12:58:02 GMT -5
OK, thanks for the updated list, Yankee. I was surprised that this many people actually go through the formal paperwork to declare candidacy. I'd guess it's more for bragging that "you" were once a candidate for POTUS?
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Post by verrip1 on Aug 22, 2011 18:13:05 GMT -5
"Oh, good heavens. I am hardly an English professor, but I surely think that a presidential candidate ought to be able to write a coherent (read NON run-on) sentence. " ----------------------------------- How about a vice-presidential candidate? "We realize that more and more Americans are starting to see the light there and understand the contrast. And we talk a lot about, OK, we're confident that we're going to win on Tuesday, so from there, the first 100 days, how are we going to kick in the plan that will get this economy back on the right track and really shore up the strategies that we need over in Iraq and Iran to win these wars?" -SP As such, Sarah Palin can talk, basically, like a child and be lionized by a robust number of perfectly intelligent people as an avatar of American culture. And linguistically, let’s face it: she is. -John McWhorter Ya. Y'all seem to forget who the current Vice President is... BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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Post by henryclay on Aug 23, 2011 6:40:27 GMT -5
Contrary to the voter results shown above on this thread, the latest Gallup poll shows each of the 4 front runner Republicans beating or statistically tied with Obama. Based on that information, if the election were held today is there any doubt that the Republicans, Independents and Undecideds would coalesce and Obama would be overwhelmed. The top four Republican presidential candidates are running neck-and-neck with President Obama in national general election match ups, according to a new Gallup poll released Monday.
The poll, conducted last week as Obama's approval rating cratered around 40 percent, shows Obama leading Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., 48 to 44 percent, and Rep. Ron Paul, R-Tex., 47 to 45 percent.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry ties the president at 47 percent each, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney leads Obama, 48 to 46 percent. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44235036/ns/politics-decision_2012/#.TlOOyV3dKSo
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 23, 2011 10:26:28 GMT -5
That's a pretty slim lead over Rep. Michelle Bachmann, and Ron Paul. Tells me either candidate would defeat him. Perry and Romney have more name recognition, and have held positions of executive leadership which may give them an advantage. I think the resume is gonna matter slightly more than in 2008 when the country basically waived experience and elected Obama in spite of the fact that just four years earlier Obama himself admitted he didn't have the experience to qualify him for the office.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 23, 2011 10:28:32 GMT -5
We're still at 69% to 30.6% "other than Obama"-- basically 70% - 30%, which is consistent with issue-oriented polls on Obama on everything from raising taxes to ObamaCare.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 23, 2011 10:48:50 GMT -5
We're still at 69% to 30.6% "other than Obama"-- basically 70% - 30%, which is consistent with issue-oriented polls on Obama on everything from raising taxes to ObamaCare. given that the healthcare bill resembles Gingrich's proposal in the 90's, would it not be just as fair to call it GingrichCare?
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Post by verrip1 on Aug 23, 2011 14:33:52 GMT -5
We're still at 69% to 30.6% "other than Obama"-- basically 70% - 30%, which is consistent with issue-oriented polls on Obama on everything from raising taxes to ObamaCare. given that the healthcare bill resembles Gingrich's proposal in the 90's, would it not be just as fair to call it GingrichCare? Kind of a stretch, considering that Gingrich hasn't held a federal office in years, was not consulted in any way by the drafters of the bill and that he probably has repeatedly voiced opposition to it. Perhaps we should call it HonestAbeCare, instead. MotherTeresaCare? The Pope'sHope? GodCare? MLKCare? Or if you don't like it, try HitlerCare. Or JeffreyDahmerCare. MansonCare? As long as it doesn't name the person who promoted it from his bully pulpit and personally twisted every congressional arm in DC to get it passed ... ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 23, 2011 15:01:19 GMT -5
The ObamaCare bill doesn't resemble anything proposed by Gingrich. It was basically HillaryCare, modified and written almost entirely by disgraced former Rep. Anthony Weiner. If anything, it could be called, "WeinerCare".
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