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Post by privateinvestor on Jan 7, 2011 13:22:00 GMT -5
The Republicans said yesterday they are unnecessary but Obama said he needs all of his Czars (cronies ??)to push his agendas and monitor what is going on in all of these government agencies to ensure liberalism alive and well
39 advisor's but not approved by congress...so that is the hang up I think? Even some dems are not sold on a Car Czar
Diane Feinstein thinks all these Czars are an abuse of Presidential Power and violated the appointment clause in the USS Constitution..
BTW Mrs Feinstein is a senior Democratic Senator; also a lawyer and constitutional legal beagle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 13:30:30 GMT -5
I think most of the CZARS eliminated themselves, correct?? Those people did not stand up under scrutiny. I scrutinized them. So did the late, great Marshabar. They were extreme liberals promoting extreme liberal ideas, such as population control through insane methods and things along those lines. All were from the same think tank-- and so is Obama. Plus-- to our benefit-- they were cowards-- they all ran when it came clear they would lose their chances in the private sector if they stayed in this administration. OR, it could be something more sinister, if you choose to think that. That they are just branching out... I will stick with they were losers and cowards. Are there any left?? If so-- I would think they may be okay, or they would already have headed for the hills. I'll need to look in to who is left. The more gone, the bwetter. NOW-- we need to check out his new appointments , the out of session ones. Sure they are just awesome. Yeah, right.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 7, 2011 13:37:33 GMT -5
"great Marshabar." ---------------------------------------------------------- this one?? , or that one , more like this one? , {Is she a late??}
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Post by privateinvestor on Jan 7, 2011 13:38:17 GMT -5
We also don't know the salaries of some Czars...which is private or confidential ?? Here are some "czars" within the administration and what they're making... Homeland Security Czar: John Brennan, $172,200 (Full title: Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor for Counterterrorism and Homeland Security) Energy and Environment Czar: Carol Browner, $172,200 (Full title: Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change) Urban Affairs Czar: Adolfo Carrion, Jr: $158,500 (Full title: Deputy Assistant to the President and Director, Office of Urban Affairs) Health Czar: Nancy-Ann DeParle: $158,500 (Full title: Counselor to the President and Director of the White House Office for Health Care Reform) Noticeably absent??? Car "Czars" Steve Rattner and Ron Bloom. Why? They fall under Treasury Read more: wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_salary_do_the_Obama_czars_earn#ixzz1ANP7PmMz
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Post by handyman2 on Jan 7, 2011 13:43:32 GMT -5
Well I cannot see where they have been much help. Appears more of a payback scheme than anything. I see no situation where they will be missed.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jan 7, 2011 13:48:07 GMT -5
Handyman2 consider yourself exalted again by me for your excellent response as expected..
You could see this issue investigated by Congressman Issa who thinks this is corruption and greed that runs rampant in the Obama administration and I tend to agree with him
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 7, 2011 13:54:40 GMT -5
P.I....are you objecting to those salaries as excessive? If so...well to be polite, ...then I respectfully feel that they are right in line for their responsibilities, time expended and the expertise of those who are in those positions, actually, a bit under paid..definitly that if considering the private sector..experience, what they are responsible for. IMHO.
LOL, in looking back here on other comments, love how all parties here seem to agree on the same thing..
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Post by privateinvestor on Jan 7, 2011 13:58:07 GMT -5
Plus-- to our benefit-- they were cowards-- they all ran when it came clear they would lose their chances in the private sector if they stayed in this administration. OR, it could be something more sinister, if you choose to think that. That they are just branching out... I will stick with they were losers and cowards. Are there any left?? If so-- I would think they may be okay, or they would already have headed for the hills. I'll need to look in to who is left. The more gone, the bwetter. NOW-- we need to check out his new appointments , the out of session ones. Sure they are just awesome. Yeah, right. Are the Czars working full time at their jobs in the Obama Adminstration and/or are they also lobbyists, board members in industry, and etc?? However they don't answer to congress. So that is probably why this is going to need Obama to sell to them??? If he can so stay tuned...
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 7, 2011 14:03:52 GMT -5
Should the Executive branch dictate to the Legislative branch who they can and can not have as advisors on their staff?
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 7, 2011 14:25:12 GMT -5
Who the advisers are of a President , their renumeration of...so silly...what is to discuss..any President..staff is so important and loyalty to..especially those immediatly arounf them and to stay the full term..great sacrifice. then there is the burn out factor. there is a reason cops usially have a 20 years in and then the right to retire. I remember being at a wedding od some one , think it was a distant some one or other..can't member why invited and at my table was a NYC lt of Detectives...looked slim, fit as can be..sharp guy and we spnt most of the wedding just talking..he had recently put in his papaers... abit over 20 in...and when i asked why so early..guy was a young ine , late 40's, maybe a bit over 50..he said he had lost it, wasn't any good any more, burnt out..
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Post by privateinvestor on Jan 7, 2011 15:36:12 GMT -5
Should All Of The Obama's Czar's Be Eliminated?
Ok my best guess is that Obama will eliminate a few of his Czars to appease his critics on both sides of the aisle in the senate who are the ones most offended by them......his biggest critic is Russ Feingold who is being exited soon so there may be some bitterness there possibly.??
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jan 7, 2011 15:36:27 GMT -5
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Post by privateinvestor on Jan 7, 2011 15:41:49 GMT -5
Yea but 39Czars and are we getting our bang for the buck with them??
Senators Feinberg and Feinstein both say NO
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jan 7, 2011 15:53:44 GMT -5
I'm not saying there are or aren't too many people with "czar" titles, but was there hoopla with W's 32 czars? (I'm seriously asking as I can't recall). A lot of these czar titles are creations of the media, because it's much sexier to say "birth control czar" than "Deputy Assistant Secretary of Population Affairs, Department of Health and Human Services." Clinton had a "czar czar" (Chief domestic policy advisor and Director of the White House Domestic Policy Council), for crying out loud!
FYI - in my head I'm saying "czar czar" with a pirate accent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 16:27:31 GMT -5
I won't waste my time posting the books, etc., from Obama czars, about population control through forced sterilization, or the dude that wrote the book for kids of the high school age about being gay, raped, etc. I got BANNED for posting that once, EXCERPTS FROM THER APPROVED READING LIST-- who was that idiot-- Van Jones, not sure.....yet-- it is on the approved reading list for HS kids. Middle school kids, too, I think. Won't post it again. Yep-- it got me banned, but is approved reading for middle school and HS kids.
Yes-- they should all quit. And I can't WAIT to do the backgrounds on the new ones appointed. Guess I will have to hunt down Marsha to help me find the names, etc. She does it so much better than I do.
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Post by robinking on Jan 7, 2011 16:43:16 GMT -5
They should be able to hire whoever they want, but under a certain budget. Once the money's gone... no more employees. Plus, they should be able to pass a FBI security check.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 17:00:10 GMT -5
What does an FBI security check involve?? Obama would never have passed one due to his past associations. hhmmmmm.......... would wanting to destroy the USA as we know it pass the FBI screening, or is it just like fingerprinting, etc??? LOL-- bet they all got their old pot charges dropped... because they seem to be on mind altering substances when they do the weird things they do in Washington.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 7, 2011 18:16:43 GMT -5
Krickett you need a break..got one for ya ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God said, 'Adam, I Want you to do Something for Me.' Adam said, 'Gladly, Lord, what do You Want me to do?' God said, 'Go down Into that valley.' Adam said, 'What's a Valley?' God explained it to Him. Then God said, 'Cross the river.' Adam said, 'What's a River?' God explained that To him, and then said, 'Go over to the hill....' Adam said, 'What is a Hill?' So, God explained to Adam what a hill was. He told Adam, 'On The other side of the Hill you will find a Cave.' Adam said, 'What's a Cave?' After God explained, He said, 'In the cave You will find a woman.' Adam said, 'What's a Woman?' So God explained That to him, too. Then, God said, 'I Want you to Reproduce.' Adam said, 'How do I do that?' God first said (under His breath), 'Geez.....' And then, just like Everything else, God Explained that to Adam, as well. So, Adam goes down Into the valley, Across the river, and Over the hill, into the Cave, and finds the Woman. Then, in about five Minutes, he was back. God, His patience Wearing thin, said Angrily, 'What is it Now?' And Adam said.... * (YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS!!!!!!) * * 'What's a headache?'
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 7, 2011 18:22:08 GMT -5
"...they should be able to pass a FBI security check."
Let's look at how this works. The American people choose a person to be President of the United States. That person goes to a middle level employee and says, "I would like person X to advice me. Please check his/her background and tell me if it is okay for him/her to do so." This middle level employee comes back and informs his supervisor, the President of the United States, that the person can not be their adviser.
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Post by sesfw on Jan 7, 2011 19:05:48 GMT -5
'They should be able to hire whoever they want,'
If bho wants to hire Czars then he should pay them, not the taxpayers. One czar he should replace is Napolitano but I don't think AZ would allow her back in the state. LOL
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 7, 2011 19:15:29 GMT -5
'They should be able to hire whoever they want,' If bho wants to hire Czars then he should pay them, not the taxpayers. One czar he should replace is Napolitano but I don't think AZ would allow her back in the state. LOL Napolitano is Secretary of Homeland Security, a cabinet level position established by an Act of Congress. She is not a "czar.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jan 7, 2011 19:40:36 GMT -5
Are the lady Czars referred to as Czarinas??
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Post by handyman2 on Jan 7, 2011 20:15:07 GMT -5
Has any 0ne bothered to check what the term Czar means? It is a noun meaning Emporer or absolute monarch. Now we are ruled by an unelected group of Emporer's or Monarch's. Where does the Constitution allow for that?
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jan 7, 2011 20:22:32 GMT -5
Has any 0ne bothered to check what the term Czar means? It is a noun meaning Emporer or absolute monarch. Now we are ruled by an unelected group of Emporer's or Monarch's. Where does the Constitution allow for that? Man, someone should have told that Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, H.W., Clinton, and W. Again, these "czars" are informal titles created by the media (those Commies!) to refer to policy experts, who happen to have official, non-czary titles.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 7, 2011 21:21:28 GMT -5
What does an FBI security check involve?? Obama would never have passed one due to his past associations. hhmmmmm.......... would wanting to destroy the USA as we know it pass the FBI screening, or is it just like fingerprinting, etc??? LOL-- bet they all got their old pot charges dropped... because they seem to be on mind altering substances when they do the weird things they do in Washington. Where do you get your information.
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Post by robinking on Jan 8, 2011 9:38:01 GMT -5
Again, I don't care who any President hires to advise him or hopefully her (someday). It's their right. BUT, there should be a White House budget that is firm about staffing. If the President wants more advisors, then the pay of others would necessarily need to be reduced. As for the FBI check, I don't care if the agent is a first year rookie, he/she needs to DO THEIR JOB and not worry about repercussions of an honest background check. No President has the right to surround themselves with shady characters. If the person or persons they choose can't pass the background check, then they don't get the job... PERIOD! If the President doesn't like it, then he needs to petition for changes in the official process. If he were to coerce or threaten, then he should be impeached for illegal activity.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jan 8, 2011 9:47:01 GMT -5
Should All Of The Obama's Czar's Be Eliminated?If some of these Czars are not effective; then why should they continue in jobs that are above their levels of competence?? Isn't this a waste of tax payers money?? And this is NOT a partisan thing because of the number of prominent Democratic Senators who question the Czars especially those who are just political appointees with no experience ..
Energy and Environment Czar: Carol Browner, $172,200 (Full title: Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change)
Urban Affairs Czar: Adolfo Carrion, Jr: $158,500 (Full title: Deputy Assistant to the President and Director, Office of Urban Affairs)
The $330.7 K for these two Czars is a complete waste of taxpayers money if you check their performance in their jobs...Browner made false claims about the Gulf Oil Spill and Carrion has done nothing about Urban Affairs except to moan and groan about how tough life is for those on welfare or looking for government handouts..
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Post by robinking on Jan 8, 2011 11:00:36 GMT -5
PI, I agree with you. I think all departments need to be held to a strict budget. What they do with that budget is up to them, but their decisons better hold up under scrutiny!
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Post by privateinvestor on Jan 8, 2011 11:42:36 GMT -5
PI, I agree with you. I think all departments need to be held to a strict budget. What they do with that budget is up to them, but their decisons better hold up under scrutiny! Why heck everyone always agrees with my posts which are just mainstream thinking , and never clouded by biases, innuendos, politcal hype or spin and etc..... but just the facts ..
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 8, 2011 14:31:06 GMT -5
, , ok if you say so... ,
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