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Post by ed1066 on Jun 29, 2011 14:24:33 GMT -5
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2011 14:28:08 GMT -5
Yup. Obama could lose. Or he could win. We'll just have to wait until Nov. 2012...................
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 29, 2011 14:30:58 GMT -5
Hmmmm. I'd wager that "generic republican" would hold a lead over most, if not all, of the current front-running republican candidates as well.
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2011 14:32:46 GMT -5
Hmmmm. I'd wager that "generic republican" would hold a lead over most, if not all, of the current front-running republican candidates as well. <<snort>>
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 14:37:21 GMT -5
ed it is not just the @42% but the trend as well which has been trending down lately
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 29, 2011 14:37:44 GMT -5
Hmmmm. I'd wager that "generic republican" would hold a lead over most, if not all, of the current front-running republican candidates as well. <<snort>> Stop hitting the lines while reading threads swamp, we can hear your inhale. ;D I KEED
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 29, 2011 14:37:48 GMT -5
Hmmmm. I'd wager that "generic republican" would hold a lead over most, if not all, of the current front-running republican candidates as well. I think it depends on what comes to your mind when you think "generic Republican". To me, that conjures an image of an establishment Republican like a Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich type, maybe a Tim Pawlenty type. If that's the majority view, it doesn't bode well for Obama, because those guys are snoozers...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 29, 2011 14:40:50 GMT -5
>>> because those guys are snoozers... <<< ...imagine the bumper stickers: "We Snooze; You lose."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 14:53:12 GMT -5
ABO 2012. God BLESS America!
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 29, 2011 15:18:21 GMT -5
I think it depends on what comes to your mind when you think "generic Republican". To me, that conjures an image of an establishment Republican like a Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich type, maybe a Tim Pawlenty type. If that's the majority view, it doesn't bode well for Obama, because those guys are snoozers... Except every poll I've seen with one of these old, stuffed suit republicans instead of "generic republican", Obama still leads. The stale, entrenched, business as usual republicans are part of the problem, not the solution. I think polls like this are more of a statement of disapproval with the current POTUS rather an approval of republicans. Face it Ed, Bush was a RINO. He stomped on states rights with RealID, violated the constitution with the Patriot Act and spent money like a drunken Democrat (current POTUS spending levels excluded), pissed away conservative free market principals to save the free market (makes sense) and massively grew the size of government. If the republicans don't come up with a true candidate with strong fiscal sanity and the coconuts to hold to that principle, I still don't see them winning the White House. “We (Republicans) can’t be a party of small government, free markets and low taxes while supporting bailouts and nationalizing industries, which lead to big government, socialism and high taxes at the expense of individual liberty and freedoms,” ~ Solomon Yue
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 15:28:46 GMT -5
Obama 42%, ANY Republican 46%Heck I'm thinking that carrot top would be in a dead heat with President Obama (42% to 42%). That's because one unfunny clown is just about the same as another unfunny clown.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 15:31:07 GMT -5
Carrot Top?? Okay. Carrot Top 2012. Can't be worse.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Jun 29, 2011 15:31:19 GMT -5
Can I see Generic Republican's and ABO's BC, please? Better yet, if you want to write in their name as your vote, that's fine with me. The fact they are snoozers bodes even less well for Republicans, doesn't it? Y'know, because an election actually a race with two people, not a person and an abstract ideal? But go ahead and take a printout of that poll to bed with you tonight and hold on to it real tight!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2011 15:56:27 GMT -5
generic candidates always have better polling numbers than real ones. Romney is still behind by 5% according to RCP. everyone else is over 10% behind.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2011 15:59:02 GMT -5
PS- the generic numbers were actually WORSE for Obama just prior to the 2010 midterms. so the latest numbers are not exactly what i would call encouraging for the GOP.
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Post by ugonow on Jun 29, 2011 16:05:36 GMT -5
If only republicans could find a generic candidate instead of the ones they have......
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Post by Shirina on Jun 29, 2011 16:08:55 GMT -5
Polls made before the campaigns have even started are absolutely useless. In addition, those who would claim to vote for ANY Republican over Obama represent votes no Democrat would ever receive in the first place - straight ticket Republican voters, most likely, and since they are staunch, unwavering Republicans with strongly held views, they are the type most likely to bother taking the poll to begin with.
So this poll isn't really saying a whole lot.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 29, 2011 16:10:44 GMT -5
If only republicans could find a generic candidate instead of the ones they have...... Gary Johnson. Fiscally Conservative, socially liberal, No real name recognition outside of NM but, slowly starting to grow. Anyone who is placing any hope in generic poll numbers this far out is grasping at straws, Dec-Feb. will be when polls start to take shape as the top 3 contenders flesh out what they are trying to say vs. this point in time which is designed for public face time. And who gets the media, a non candidate who had media chasing an empty bus, instead of real candidates.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2011 16:11:15 GMT -5
If only republicans could find a generic candidate instead of the ones they have...... bingo. when people hear "ANY Republican", they think "one i could agree with". the only problem is that it differs from one person to the next. so when you get one with a pulse, instead of some idealized FICTION of a candidate, you say- "well i would vote for ANY Republican other than THAT one". that is the problem with generic balloting.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 16:11:46 GMT -5
Poll: Obama 42%, ANY Republican 46% « Thread Started Today at 12:24pm »
I don't care how Liberal elites or Obama fans try to spin this poll it has to be very troubling for them to see their president doing so lousy after 2 & 1/2 years in office and you can bet they are worried that these numbers are only going to get worse for Obama
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2011 16:13:09 GMT -5
If only republicans could find a generic candidate instead of the ones they have...... Gary Johnson. Fiscally Conservative, socially liberal, No real name recognition outside of NM but, slowly starting to grow. Anyone who is placing any hope in generic poll numbers this far out is grasping at straws, Dec-Feb. will be when polls start to take shape as the top 3 contenders flesh out what they are trying to say vs. this point in time which is designed for public face time. And who gets the media, a non candidate who had media chasing an empty bus, instead of real candidates. bingo again. quite right. if Romney is the guy, he STILL has work to do. he is not just going to walk up and take it. he has to beat Bachmann to begin with, and then he will have to beat an established MACHINE known as the Obama campaign. imo- he is going to need help from the economy.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 16:18:30 GMT -5
Iowa has changed and soured on Obama's leaderhip and dems in Iowa are bailling out on him..
Obama knows this and is why he spent so much time there because Iowa could make or break his election...this election is a referendum on Obama's leadership...and small busineses in Iowa are very anxious about Obama
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Post by ugonow on Jun 29, 2011 16:19:35 GMT -5
IMO, as much as some insist Dems are "afraid" of Palin, Bachmann, Cain, etc...someone as polorizing as them would be dems wet dream.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 16:20:14 GMT -5
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is in a fragile position as the 2012 campaign begins: Only 37 percent of registered voters approve of his handling of the economy, his lowest rating ever, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll. Another ominous sign for Obama: By nearly 2-1, voters disapprove of how he's handling the federal budget deficit, expected to hit a record $1.5 trillion this fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30. "It's a real caution sign … the four-year lease on the White House is very much dependent on how people end up looking at the economy," said Lee Miringoff, the director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion, which performed the survey. The poll of 1,003 adults, including 801 registered voters, was conducted June 15-23. The margin of error is plus or minus three percentage points. The poll findings were released Monday, as the president increased his personal stake in stalled talks aimed at raising the federal debt ceiling while agreeing to long-term spending cuts. There were glimmers of hope for Obama in the poll. Fifty percent of voters said they had favorable impressions of him, while 44 percent didn't, and by 2-1, Americans said that today's economic conditions mostly were something the president inherited rather than the result of his own policies. Read more: www.sacbee.com/2011/06/28/3732004/poll-obama-economic-approval-hits.html#ixzz1QhbtPRiBwww.sacbee.com/2011/06/28/3732004/poll-obama-economic-approval-hits.html
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 16:24:56 GMT -5
Since someone up there mentioned Gary Johnson--- I would rather have him than Romney. I'm afraid Romney would be more of the same.
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Post by Shirina on Jun 29, 2011 16:26:04 GMT -5
Not really. I predicted this would happen, and while I still think Obama has a very good shot at winning, it will be a testament to how bad the Republican candidates are if he does. Conditions in this country were so bad when the 2008 election occurred that no president ... NO president ... liberal, conservative, Democrat, Republican, or Independent, had much hope of surviving into a second term. It was quite clear that a recession as serious as this one was would not be resolved in a mere four years, and Obama made that perfectly clear during his campaign.
But in an age of everything being "on demand," we have come to expect everything to happen NOW. I clearly remember some of the more loud-mouthed Republicans demanding to know why there was still a recession a mere 6 months after Obama's election!
With that being the case, no president had a good chance of being elected twice because the feckless among us will quickly forget the Bush years and will blame only Obama.
If the American people had any sense, an Independent president would be ripe for a win, but instead, there is a better chance that we'll simply switch back to a Republican. Societal amnesia is rampant in this nation.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 29, 2011 16:32:31 GMT -5
The only reason Romney would be the "guy" right now is who he has as face time pals. Bachmann, Pawlenty, Gingrich, and Palin are the ones who he is really compared to, so he is much more moderate/center to center/left, which his record shows because of where he was a republican governor.
Romney's appeal comes from the fact that he is different than the others (though that isn't necessarily a good thing), much like former President GW Bush he will be a RINO, which most republicans are now, none have shown a propensity for truly smaller government.
as all way this of course is simply my opinion.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2011 16:57:22 GMT -5
Since someone up there mentioned Gary Johnson--- I would rather have him than Romney. I'm afraid Romney would be more of the same. i echo your concern. i liked Romney less than McCain in the last cycle.
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 29, 2011 17:02:56 GMT -5
I agree with you on every point. If the Republicans field a RINO, they will lose. I'm hoping they don't, or a viable third party candidate makes a showing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2011 17:17:43 GMT -5
I agree with you on every point. If the Republicans field a RINO, they will lose. I'm hoping they don't, or a viable third party candidate makes a showing. Ed- you can ignore this question if you wish- i am not calling you out. but what candidate would meet your standard for "not a RINO"?
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