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Post by henryclay on Jun 8, 2011 6:55:45 GMT -5
Of course miracles have been known to happen, but have you ever seen an old manual typewriter that had several different type faces on it for the SAME letter of the alphabet? Even right here when we type an "e", don't we expect to see the same "e" every time we hit that key? Take a good look at the sample below. Would you expect to see these character differences to come from one single old mechanical typewriter? Suppose they were found on a single document that was placed before you as evidence in a trial. Would you testify that beyond any reasonable doubt in your mind whatsoever, they appear to come from one particular same typewriter, and were placed on the document by the one person at one sitting? Or would you testify that there may be a question about it? Suppose the office of the president was at stake, would that change the way you would answer the question? ? ? ? Or would you rather not have to answer the question? For more on the subject go to: www.wnd.com/?pageId=308397
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Post by jarhead1976 on Jun 8, 2011 7:01:58 GMT -5
Without a reasonable doubt the letters and numbers do come from different typewriters. Presidential or Panhandler.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 8, 2011 7:57:15 GMT -5
Take a good look at the sample below. Would you expect to see these character differences to come from one single old mechanical typewriter? Sure. Unlike some here, I used to use an old, manual typewriter. Now, think about the word manual....the power comes from the person doing the typing. The chances of a typist pressing every key with the exact amount of pressure every time are pretty much nil. Softer strikes are not as well defined as a key that is pressed with more pressure. Characters can also end up looking different based on the condition of the ribbon. A heavier wear spot on any section of the ribbon will transfer a much lower quality impression than a fresher, less used section of the ribbon. Slight movements in the paper being used may also twist a character off center as well. If manual typewriters were printed perfect every time, we'd still be using them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2011 7:58:21 GMT -5
First the magic bullet.
Now the magic typewriter.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 8, 2011 8:17:27 GMT -5
The amount of power and the speed of the keystroke is a given. It will have an effect on the imprint made by the striker arm onto the paper.
I am familiar with a court case that was decided on the letter "r" from a manual typewriter. The document had several mis-spelled words containing the letter "r" when the letter should have been "n". But in the word that decided the case the word "or" appeared when the entire meaning of the document would have been different if the word had been "on". The typewriter was examined and it was found to have a loose letter 'n". Several people used the typewriter and each user had the same result, which was that the letter "n" often made the imprint of an "r" on the paper. The case was settled that the originator had let the word "or" stand and should have corrected the document if it was intended to have said "on".
But does that explain the different shapes and sizes of the letters?
Take these for instance: the two "E's", #11 and #176; the two "R's", #3 and #145, , , , and the same thing with several other letters. How can it be explained that they appear to change shape and size?
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 8, 2011 8:25:54 GMT -5
This was the same issue that proved the Bush National Guard memos to be fakes, thus ending the so-called "journalistic career" of that loser Dan Rather...
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Post by henryclay on Jun 8, 2011 8:35:48 GMT -5
Yes, ed. I am reminded of an old adage regarding the importance placed on things under pressure. It goes like this: "If you want it bad you may very well get it bad".
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 8, 2011 8:43:12 GMT -5
But does that explain the different shapes and sizes of the letters? Take these for instance: the two "E's", #11 and #176; the two "R's", #3 and #145, , , , and the same thing with several other letters. How can it be explained that they appear to change shape and size? I agree with dem...they are not changing shape and size. It's obvious that the letters with broken/missing sections are from a light keystroke. The ones with no breaks are from a heavier keystroke. Some even appear to have overrun possibly from a wrinkle in the ribbon touching the paper outside the chosen letter being struck. Again, the manual typewriter was a nasty beast....lots of imperfections. Sometimes I'm extremely grateful that the "good ole days" are long gone.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 8, 2011 9:19:57 GMT -5
Biggest issue I have ever seen with any typewriter is the ribbon, every letter pressed leaves an impression, and the ribbons could be used over and over agin, draining the ink, and transfering parts of letters already embeded in the ribbon.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 8, 2011 9:28:47 GMT -5
... "If you want it bad you may very well get it bad". Love the statement. Consider it stolen.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jun 8, 2011 9:37:01 GMT -5
All the old POS typewriters I remember had very inconsistent type, unless it had a new head and ribbon.
Also assume it is correct that several different typewriters were used, what is the point? Couldn't different pieces of information have been added at different times for very legitimate reasons?
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 8, 2011 9:47:27 GMT -5
That's what they want you to think
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jun 8, 2011 10:12:27 GMT -5
That's what they want you to think Oh my god
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 8, 2011 10:17:40 GMT -5
I don't know, Paul. Old typewriters can have wonky arms and it's not hard to get uneven key strokes. Been a long time since I've used one but I seem to recall a lot of variation in type.
Why didn't the expert transpose the letters and show the divergence that way? I don't think this holds any water.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 10, 2011 14:04:55 GMT -5
Another case, this time a criminal complaint, has been filed with the FBI over the April 27, "Long Form Birth Certificate". This is the second of three articles explaining the criminal complaint that scanner-expert Doug Vogt filed last week with the FBI.
The 22-page criminal complaint filed with the FBI by document-imaging expert Doug Vogt charges that individuals within the Hawaii Department of Health, Obama political operatives and an unidentified graphic artist worked in a multi-state conspiracy to create a fraudulent long-form birth certificate for Barack Obama.
Vogt's complaint asserts: "I have irrefutably proven that the Certificate of Live Birth that President Obama presented to the world on April 27, 2011 is a fraudulently created document put together using the Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator programs." www.wnd.com/?pageId=306953
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jun 10, 2011 14:17:47 GMT -5
I'm no expert, but I also used a manual typewriter with a cloth ribbon. A lot of factors can make for variances in the printed characters.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Jun 10, 2011 14:24:47 GMT -5
. . o O (Will this become known as TypewriterGate?)
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Post by Angel! on Jun 10, 2011 14:25:36 GMT -5
Another case, this time a criminal complaint, has been filed with the FBI over the April 27, "Long Form Birth Certificate". This is the second of three articles explaining the criminal complaint that scanner-expert Doug Vogt filed last week with the FBI.
All this shows is there are idiots in the country still grasping at straws. A hand typewriter will make letters look different for a variety of reasons. OCR text recognition will do pretty much everything else that has been brought up by the conspiracy groups. In fact that the whole idea that someone created it on different layers is ludicrous when you actually examine how the layers are broken up.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 10, 2011 16:51:04 GMT -5
You may be right Angel. Like Christianity , , most religions, in fact , , , the belief system is built on faith and faith alone. That's really not unlike the depth of faith behind those who continue to cling to Obama's qualifications. There is no proof anywhere that that can be verified by science that the man ever existed, other than faith. He just one day "appeared", and he has built a following to be envied by Budda , , , or Mohammed, , , not to say Christ Himself. But unlike religious faith, he came at a time when records can be produced. And one of those records has been asked for. . . .the ORIGINAL has been asked for. . . .by a judge. What will come of the request is yet to be seen, but the judge has asked for it. Here is a copy of the request. It should carry at least "some" weight since it is a subpeona. Reading the entry under the second check mark is informative. Hint, hint, , , I use the word "request", which bills may think is incorrect and not accurate,. The word on the paper is "COMMANDED" followed by some instructions. Those instructions are to: " bring the ORIGINAL 1961 typewritten Birth Certificate" for inspection:
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 10, 2011 17:16:05 GMT -5
Well, this'll be interesting.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 10, 2011 17:30:33 GMT -5
Yeh, Marsha. China is building aircraft carriers that look like catamarans that will go fast and carry BIG airplanes, Iran is building a nucleaar arsenal, we can't drill our own oil, corn prices have soared because of floods, economists are forecasting another recession, we have states on the verge brink of bankruptcy, our southern border might as well be paved in order to better accommodate illegal entires, I just bought some apple juice that was stamped as made from concentrate imported from Argentina and China, , , , and the United States is trying to get one man to come clean with his "real" resume'.
Yeh, , , it really is interesting.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 10, 2011 17:33:13 GMT -5
I get a little thrown off when someone disagrees with me while starting their post with "You may be right". I am also confused how you are comparing the acceptance that it is a real birth certificate with the belief in god. Weird. Are you saying Obama is Jesus?
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 10, 2011 17:41:17 GMT -5
Orly Taitz is an officer of the court.
It’s true in California, but not in the District of Columbia where she issued a “subpoena” in the case of Taitz v Astrue, to Hawaii Department of Health Director Loretta Fuddy, commanding her to give a deposition at the Health Department offices in Hawaii on June 27, produce the original of Barack Obama’s long-form birth certificate and allow a copy to be made. Here is how Taitz filled out the subpoena:
(See reply #20)
So what’s wrong with this picture? Commenter JoZeppy explains: "There are limitations, of course, and Orly’s screws everything up. First off, you have to be authorized to practice either where the deposition is to take place, or where the case is pending. Orly is neither. Secondly, a valid subpoena must be issued under the court where the production and deposition are to take place. Orly issues a DC subpoena for a deposition to take place in Hawaii. Not a valid subpoena. Finally, you cannot require the disclosure of privileged or other protected material, which is what she is requesting.
See: Federal Rules of Civil Procedure – Rule 45"
www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/05/taitzs-bogus-subpoena/#more-12350 I am neither an attorney nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Jun 10, 2011 17:45:03 GMT -5
From the OP link:
"This document is definitely a forgery."
Ok, if you were going to forge a document, why would you use different typewriters? What would give you a reason to do so? Why would you go out of your way and make extra effort to rouse suspicion?
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Post by henryclay on Jun 10, 2011 18:39:34 GMT -5
It gets better than that toughttimes. How many rubber stamps have you seen with signatures written by them after the stamp was applied that matched exactly, , ,exactly, ,on two differetn pieces of paper. And how many signatures, , , writen a month apart, , , have you ever seen that could be overlayed exactly , , ,exactly , , on top of each other? Or, if somebody wants to say the entire certification was made by a stamp, why would one have THE in the certiofication and the other have TXE instead, but all other points of comparison be identical? I have seen offices where the responsible person has given the authority for someone else to affix the stamp, but ALWAYS with the cavet that the person doing so also initial by the stamp. There is no indication here of that practice. Which again, as you say, makes it look more rotten in Denmark. I wonder if I copuld walk by the registrar's desk in Honolulu and "borrow" the stamp. I have several documents I need certifying. Like these two:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 19:00:18 GMT -5
Interesting, Henry. I can't wait to see how they get out of having that person show up in court with the original.
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Post by cereb on Jun 10, 2011 20:44:45 GMT -5
. . o O (Will this become known as TypewriterGate?) Nice one!
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Post by cereb on Jun 10, 2011 20:48:41 GMT -5
Taitz's claims regarding Barack Obama Main article: Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories
Taitz alleges that U.S. President Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as President. She claims he was born in Kenya and that he falsified his Selective Service papers and his application to the Illinois bar.[20] "I believe [Obama] is the most dangerous thing one can imagine, in that he represents radical communism and radical Islam: He was born and raised in radical Islam, all of his associations are with radical Islam, and he was groomed in the environment of the dirty Chicago mafia. Can there be anything scarier than that?"[21]
Taitz has made other Obama-related claims, including:
A number of homosexuals from Obama's former church have died mysteriously. Obama has dozens of Social Security numbers, and his passport is inaccurate. Taitz claims that a person who was cooperating with the FBI in connection with Obama's passport died mysteriously, "shot in the head". A Kenyan birth certificate with the name "Barack Obama" is authentic. Obama's first act as President was to donate money to Hamas, which she claims will be used to build Qassam rockets. Obama, or someone connected to him, has made threats to Taitz's life and vandalized her car.[19] Obama is having the Federal Emergency Management Agency build internment camps for "Anti-Obama dissidents".[14] Osama bin Laden was killed years ago, with his body kept on ice, and the announcement of his death was timed to divert attention from an upcoming court case she is litigating challenging Obama's citizenship.[22]
YOOOHOOOOOOOO nut case!
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Post by lakhota on Jun 10, 2011 20:59:39 GMT -5
I just love these conspiracy theories. I wish they could solve the JFK assassination. That really happened. I've always suspected Jackie Kennedy.
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Post by formerexpat on Jun 10, 2011 21:22:04 GMT -5
It's all Bush's fault...no seriously, Bush Sr, CIA, Bay of Pigs.
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