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Post by henryclay on Jun 10, 2011 21:33:26 GMT -5
I like the one bills raised. Bills has posted a reference to a federal rule essentially saying Taitz has no standing to get anything that is protected by law out of a Hawaii file cabinet. I like that. But I also like the situation that comes up in court sometimes too. Lots of things are protected from being questioned, , , , until the side they are protecting opens the door.
What intrigues me is that Obama may have tripped himself up by asking someone he has been depending on or hiding behind to do something that opened a door. Somebody, apparently at Obama's personal request, delivered into the jurisdiction of a court outside of Hawaii, and not any old court, it was a "federal court" and it was a copy of a seemingly innocuous document, , , a birth certificate. Only this birth certificate seems to be carrying an awful lot of baggage.
Suppose a court in that federal jurisdiction thinks there is so much riding on the validity of that copy that its validity calls for an inspection of the original.
Do you suppose a federal district court judge in Washington DC has the authority to issue a subpoena to the agents of one of the 50 states to produce the original of a document that they have already introduced into its jurisdiction in copy form?
I'm no lawyer, either, bills, but I do know which question I'd put my blue chips on.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 10, 2011 21:37:18 GMT -5
I just love these conspiracy theories. I wish they could solve the JFK assassination. That really happened. I've always suspected Jackie Kennedy. Bill Hicks had a bit about JFK- 'no matter what promises you make on the campaign trail - blah, blah, blah - when you win, you go into this smoky room with the twelve industrialist, capitalist scumf*cks that got you in there, and this little screen comes down... and it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before, which looks suspiciously off the grassy knoll.... And then the screen comes up, the lights come on, and they say to the new president, 'Any questions?' ;D
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Post by lakhota on Jun 10, 2011 21:40:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 21:44:02 GMT -5
Too bad this new lawsuit is not filed by Orly, but by document imaging expert Doug Vogt.. but you guys carry on.. I'll wait for the hearing.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 12, 2011 10:33:48 GMT -5
This thread needs an index. So far I've got typewriters, rubber stamps, scanned documents, the Kennedy assassination...
I have to agree with mkitty on the OP. If they're going to make a master forgery of Pres. Obama's birth certificate, they're not going to use print variations outside the normal typographic limits for a typewriter.
The arguments in Vogt's complaint (with one exception) deal with inconsistencies/artifacts introduced by the hack scan job in the White House version of the document. The inconsistency in the dates is curious, however, as well as Vogt's argument about Virginia Sunahara. The ID is one of the few aspects of a birth certificate that can't be forged: a particular ID is needed for a particular date. If the certificate is indeed a forgery, young Ms. Sunahara would be the closest stillbirth to Obama's DoB that the forger(s) could find. I say "curious", because the one non-fungible element of the birth certificate turns out to be inconsistent, at least prima facie.
I have neither the time nor patience, but it would be an interesting exercise to find out how common these date/ID mismatches are. If one could find the birth certificates for a hundred babies born in the KMC in the months around August 8, 1961 and establish that Pres. Obama's was the only one six days "out of sync", it would make a compelling case for forgery.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 12, 2011 21:30:19 GMT -5
Virgil, your case is a good one, and at the risk of beating a horse that seems to have some kind of eternal life and will nor just lay down and die, I believe the information above includes at least a sampling of exactly what you describe. At least one birth certificate from the same day Obama was reported as born, and two others, (twins), from a day or two before that.
Whether samplings from a broader range of birth certificates has been made is, apparently, still not disclosed.
And, if your tenet is to say "this opinion is being voiced by experts", then it would have to be acknowledged that other experts have voiced a, or some, different opinion/s.
And that brings us back to the point of the curerent effort . . . . which is that the questions can only be resolved by expert examinatin of the original document.
As Obama himself said, "The only people who refuse to face the thuth are those who have something to hide".. . . . or something close to that, anyway. So the first question ever raised about his origin still remains. . . . "What does he want to keep hidden?"
But even the birth certificate itself will not satisfy everybody. It has been argued back and forth over the internet and on talk shows and in print, but it has never been recognized as resolved by any legally convened authority: The Constitutional requirement remains that only children born of a father who is a US citizen can qualify for the position of president.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 14, 2011 11:04:45 GMT -5
And now the forgers are calling their works "satire", possibly in an effort to keep themselves out of jail. NEW YORK – Radical supporters of Barack Obama have openly admitted to forging Obama birth certificates, going so far as to identify themselves by their usernames to claim responsibility on Internet blogs.
They have described their activities as satire, a tactic designed to deflect criminal charges that might otherwise be filed against them for producing fraudulent official government documents.
As WND has reported in a three-part series, published here, here, and here, scanner expert Doug Vogt has filed criminal charges with the FBI, alleging that the Obama birth certificate released by the White House April 27 was fraudulently created. www.wnd.com/?pageId=310949
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Post by henryclay on Jun 20, 2011 0:43:36 GMT -5
The following is from a post made last Saturday, June 18, and is built, in part, around an article published in the Los Angeles Times on January 29, 2007. At least is is purported to use that source. With the charges of fraud and forgery running far and wide it may be anybody's guess. But it is part of the overall mystery of, "Have you ever seen anything like this?" The smoking gun evidence that annuls Obama’s presidency is Obama’s college transcripts regarding his application for and receiving of foreign student aid. Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College indicates that Obama, under the name President Obama, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript from Occidental College shows that Obama (President Obama) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship (scholarship) for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program (link: fulbright.state.gov/about/frequently-asked-questions#faq1 ) – an international educational exchange program sponsored by the U.S. government. Grants are available for U.S. citizens to go abroad and for non-U.S. citizens with no U.S. permanent residence to come to the U.S. To qualify, for the non-US citizen scholarship to study in the U.S., a student applicant must claim and provide proof of foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking. The United States Constitution requires that Presidents (and Vice Presidents) of the United States be natural born citizens of the United States. . . . . Numerous official government documents records Obama being legally registered as President Obama. School registries shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name President Obama. During his Occidental College days he is registered as President Obama. An entry in the journal of the California assembly in reference to grants given to foreign exchange students (this official government document lists Obama as a foreigner not a US citizen. A US citizen wouldn’t qualify for foreign exchange student funding) states Obama as President Obama from Indonesia.
The first name of a child is always the same from birth. If throughout his childhood Obama went by the first name of Barry then legally his birth name would have to be Barry. In order to register any child for school an official birth certificate must be presented. To receive a government grant proof of citizenship and birth must also be submitted. All of the evidence is stating that Barack Obama’s legal first name is Barry not Barrack.
A biography of Obama’s Occidental College days states that when Obama was 18-19 he attended school as President Obama. And it wasn’t until he met a girl by the name of Regina that Obama started using the name Barack. Regina was the first to start calling him Barack. There seems to be no record of Obama legally changing his first name from Barry to Barack.
While being sworn in as an attorney in the State of Illinois, Mr Obama had to provide his personal information under oath. He was asked, if he had any other names, he responded none. In reality, he used the name President Obama in an entry in the journal of the California assembly in reference to grants given to foreign exchange students. Mr. /Obama clearly defrauded the State Bar of Illinois and perjured himself while concealing his identity. Anybody else would’ve been disbarred for this and the matter would’ve been forwarded to the district attorney for prosecution for perjury and fraud, however nothing was done to Mr. Obama. More importantly, why did he conceal his identity?
If Obama didn’t legally have his name changed from Barry to Barack then the birth certificate he passed to Congress is a fake, a forgery. If his name was registered as President Obama even though Obama claims his real name is Barack Obama then Obama defrauded the state of California in order to receive college funding. Obama knowingly presented a false document to the state wherein he claimed to be a foreign student in order to illegally acquire financial aid.
This is the link to the article , , and the newspaper article it stems from. The link is a large file and takes some time to load. You may need to be patient with it. presscore.ca/2011/?p=2929
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Post by txbo on Jun 20, 2011 4:22:07 GMT -5
The Grassy Knoll, the Moon Landing and Obama’s birth certificate things that will forever live in the annals of the blogosphere.
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