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Post by deziloooooo on May 30, 2011 17:58:55 GMT -5
Three more but keep it up but I have to go p, all most did it in my ..yep, you all are a riot. If Jose only knew...
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 30, 2011 18:01:23 GMT -5
Three more but keep it up but I have to go p, all most did it in my ..yep, you all are a riot. If Jose only knew... I'm pretty sure Jose doesn't care
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2011 18:19:54 GMT -5
I'm frankly sick of seeing illegals protest in public. Someone go throw him out of the country, please. You would get shot for that in Mexico.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 1, 2011 9:41:33 GMT -5
I have tried wading thru this thread, and stopped after two pages.
This thread has a misleading title, and should be corrected. Jose is not a grocery store worker. He is an independent contractor for an outside company. This is no different than the window washers the companies hire to wash their windows, or the groundskeepers that are hired to trim the bushes and mow the grass on the perimeter of the parking lot. Let's not forget the snowplow operators who work for the company contracted to deal with the snow in the winter. They are not making the big bucks. It is the outside company hired by legal contract to do the job. Lakhota should be required to rename this thread in an appropiate manner.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 1, 2011 12:29:50 GMT -5
I have tried wading thru this thread, and stopped after two pages. This thread has a misleading title, and should be corrected. Jose is not a grocery store worker. He is an independent contractor for an outside company. This is no different than the window washers the companies hire to wash their windows, or the groundskeepers that are hired to trim the bushes and mow the grass on the perimeter of the parking lot. Let's not forget the snowplow operators who work for the company contracted to deal with the snow in the winter. They are not making the big bucks. It is the outside company hired by legal contract to do the job. Lakhota should be required to rename this thread in an appropiate manner. Granted the thread is a bit weird , long and what ever..however from wha I have read of Jose situation, he is NOT a independent contractor, I beleive hired by a sub conractor but still has taxes, unemployment contributions taken out of his pay, contributed to the state by employer, anything but a independent contractor. Whether there is medical, vacation time etc offered him I don't know , not mentioned or if it was I missed it.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 1, 2011 13:16:16 GMT -5
I have tried wading thru this thread, and stopped after two pages. This thread has a misleading title, and should be corrected. Jose is not a grocery store worker. He is an independent contractor for an outside company. This is no different than the window washers the companies hire to wash their windows, or the groundskeepers that are hired to trim the bushes and mow the grass on the perimeter of the parking lot. Let's not forget the snowplow operators who work for the company contracted to deal with the snow in the winter. They are not making the big bucks. It is the outside company hired by legal contract to do the job. Lakhota should be required to rename this thread in an appropiate manner. Granted the thread is a bit weird , long and what ever..however from wha I have read of Jose situation, he is NOT a independent contractor, I beleive hired by a sub conractor but still has taxes, unemployment contributions taken out of his pay, contributed to the state by employer, anything but a independent contractor. Whether there is medical, vacation time etc offered him I don't know , not mentioned or if it was I missed it. Yes his employer Carlson takes taxes not the store Cubfoods/SuperValu that he cleans at and who he has aimed his hunger strike at.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 13:22:34 GMT -5
Love your new avatar, Value.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 1, 2011 14:58:15 GMT -5
Granted the thread is a bit weird , long and what ever..however from wha I have read of Jose situation, he is NOT a independent contractor, I beleive hired by a sub conractor but still has taxes, unemployment contributions taken out of his pay, contributed to the state by employer, anything but a independent contractor. Whether there is medical, vacation time etc offered him I don't know , not mentioned or if it was I missed it. Yes his employer Carlson takes taxes not the store Cubfoods/SuperValu that he cleans at and who he has aimed his hunger strike at. Under stood but still not a "independent contractor "..what the post was referring to..as far s this thread, lets see it's up to 236, so closing in on another 100 increase from the 200 mentioned a while back, so keep it coming...
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 1, 2011 20:52:21 GMT -5
I have tried wading thru this thread, and stopped after two pages. This thread has a misleading title, and should be corrected. Jose is not a grocery store worker. He is an independent contractor for an outside company. This is no different than the window washers the companies hire to wash their windows, or the groundskeepers that are hired to trim the bushes and mow the grass on the perimeter of the parking lot. Let's not forget the snowplow operators who work for the company contracted to deal with the snow in the winter. They are not making the big bucks. It is the outside company hired by legal contract to do the job. Lakhota should be required to rename this thread in an appropriate manner. Granted the thread is a bit weird , long and what ever..however from wha I have read of Jose situation, he is NOT a independent contractor, I beleive hired by a sub conractor but still has taxes, unemployment contributions taken out of his pay, contributed to the state by employer, anything but a independent contractor. Whether there is medical, vacation time etc offered him I don't know , not mentioned or if it was I missed it. Ok, he is not an "Independent contractor" Many outside companies like this do list their "employees" as such so they do not owe SS taxes, etc on the workers. He still works for an independent business supplying a service to Cub Foods. He does not work for Cub Foods. The argument is with his employer, not Cub Foods. Lakhota has a misleading thread title, and has not been told to correct it by any moderator. I am getting used to this favoritism, but it is disappointing.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 1, 2011 20:53:46 GMT -5
Love your new avatar, Value. Yes, I like it also. Usually do not have one, and I do block them from view. I think I will hang onto it
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 1, 2011 21:15:28 GMT -5
Granted the thread is a bit weird , long and what ever..however from what I have read of Jose situation, he is NOT a independent contractor, I believe hired by a sub contractor but still has taxes, unemployment contributions taken out of his pay, contributed to the state by employer, anything but a independent contractor. Whether there is medical, vacation time etc offered him I don't know , not mentioned or if it was I missed it. Ok, he is not an "Independent contractor" Many outside companies like this do list their "employees" as such so they do not owe SS taxes, etc on the workers. He still works for an independent business supplying a service to Cub Foods. He does not work for Cub Foods. The argument is with his employer, not Cub Foods. Lakhota has a misleading thread title, and has not been told to correct it by any moderator. I am getting used to this favoritism, but it is disappointing. Value your right as to who he really has a bitch with but I am not really into the thread. I said what I had to regarding my feelings so long ago I forgot what I posted, and have no interest in scrolling to find my post. My only reason for coming here, is just to see how the posts are mounting up here, I am getting a kick out of it. Jose has never been so popular in his life, and I just posted the independent contractor clarification to keep as much on the right track as possible. So I will leave now and am rooting you all who are participating on, go for it ... ;D PS: Me too , a cool avitar, even Puff the dragon appreciates it..real cool, keep it is my thoughts.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 1, 2011 21:19:27 GMT -5
The Avatar is on our approved list on our profile page. I recommend it to everyone.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 1, 2011 21:31:42 GMT -5
The Avatar is on our approved list on our profile page. I recommend it to everyone. I think it's neat when people have their own...just my feelings...after a while a ID with out the NIC for those your active with,,... or want to stay away from....scroll baby scroll..
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 1, 2011 22:05:36 GMT -5
I think that the Latin music and signs in Spanish really influenced me. I will check to see if I can shop Cub Foods online.
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Post by hannah27 on Jun 1, 2011 22:50:25 GMT -5
You either believe in ethical business practices - or you do not. It seems to me that many people on this board fall into the latter category. Yes, an employer has the power to push employees in this dismal economy because they have little recourse, but a smart employer won't do it because it will come back and bite him in the ass as soon as the economy improves. That's a very good way to lose your talent to the competition. The worker you're discussing in this thread has been with the company for nine years, in a thankless job that not many people are anxious to do unless they have to. Does he have the right to expect that his wages will, at the very least, keep pace with inflation? Yes, he does. You can bet that the grocery chain has not frozen retail prices for the past nine years.
If a business is struggling financially and asks everyone across the board to take a pay cut, it's simply a sign of the times. If the pay cut only applies to the lower-paid segment of the payroll, it is not ethical. If a business is NOT struggling but only wants a higher profit margin off the backs of its employees, it is not ethical. THAT is the scenario we're seeing these past few years that's causing so much discontent, especially when the upper management is thriving.
What we are witnessing is the beginning of the end of America's middle class. For those of you who are apparently rejoicing because you see it as a fundamental capitalist right to maximize profits regardless of the cost, remember that you do not operate in a vacuum. You cannot sell your widgets unless someone has the cash to buy them. Go for the money grab now and you'll pay later - and the cost may be higher than you expect. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to grasp the concept. Henry Ford understood that - and many companies still get it. Unfortunately, too many do not. I hope they go down in flames; I'll bring the marshmallows.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 1, 2011 23:07:09 GMT -5
Welcome Hannah, new member...very good post, makes a lot of sense and is true.
I believe my solution, some one was hounding me for a solution and I suggested if i was a manager to grant with in limits certain wage limits, if I had a worker who expressed frustration as Jose might have, and language would not have been a problem, worst case scenario, and I don't believe after nine years Jose can't communicate in English but just in case he couldn't, get some one to translate, but back to the solution.
Nine years same wages, I would buy him a soft drink, coffee and explain to him very limited as to what I can do however his record was very good, he did his job well with out supervision, never any complaints, one who helped with new employee's, realize he is doing the work of three when at one time there were three rather then two to do the same job, thus forcing to work harder through breaks and offer him a raise, say .50 /.75 possible a 1.00 if able to do so, but tell him the job that he is doing has really now been topped out.
I would be honest with him.
I mentioned earlier I was a manager who had a excellent worker , long time , and my manager , the final judge on raises, wouldn't give a lousy .25 raise. I found her a job closer to her home, same chain, so would be able to retire, she did about a year and a half later and she got a .75 raise there and the manager was glad to get her, worth every penny and more.
I got jumped here so I now am just am counting how many posts this silly thread will get before it finally dies of boredom..
Again welcome, hope to see your posts spread around, and if you run across some not so nice ones , all ways remember, most are very nice here.
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Post by hannah27 on Jun 1, 2011 23:10:41 GMT -5
An article I ran across explaining why companies now hire contract/temp workers rather than direct hire, like 30 years ago when my ex husband started at the bottom and worked to the top at Safeway, including his time doing floors. Look for more and more of this as companies try to escape from Obamacare and other things that strangle businesses. There are actually companies firing their staffs, then connecting them to an agency and putting them back in their old jobs at lower pay and no benies. They are trying to survive the economy and beat Obamacare mandates. I've heard employers interviewed about this on the radio. This is NOT a business friendly economy, and as people have said for a long time now-- it will NOT help employees, but will roll downhill and slap them in the face. This is what happens when gov't is anti-business. This practice of hiring temps instead of full-time workers did NOT start with Obama - it goes all the way back to the late 1980's. It's amazing and ridiculous how many things I see being blamed on Obama when he had nothing to do with them! There's a very simple solution to the whole health insurance problem: take health care out of the employment equation altogether. Stop allowing it to be used as a bargaining chip or a way to screw people. Nationalize it in some uniquely American way - and get rid of the bottom-feeding, insurance companies and their armies of lobbyists. They have too much control over health-related issues in our country. Get rid of them. Yes, I'm talking about *expanding* the Obama-care idea because it doesn't go far enough. No exemptions at ALL, for anyone. Everyone plays and everyone pays - and doctors will once again be able to practice medicine without a noose around their collective necks. They've been buried in needless paperwork mountains for decades now. I'm not that old but I am old enough to remember when health care was virtually a non-issue. You paid your $25-$50 when you saw the doctor, and maybe $15 or so for lab tests. Hospitalizations for routine procedures cost far less than a brand new car. That all changed when the health insurance companies started calling the shots... at the expense of employers, doctors and patients. The concept of health insurance was a good one back when it began in the post-WWII era but it has gotten completely out of control. It doesn't have to be this way. Nobody is benefiting as much as Blue Cross and their ilk. Before someone starts up with the same old tired rubric, note that we had terrific research & development long before we had astronomical medical charges. We didn't have huge segments of our population that couldn't afford even the most routine health care procedures. We need to fix this problem - now.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 1, 2011 23:11:52 GMT -5
<<< You either believe in ethical business practices - or you do not. >>> ...define "ethics"... <<< Does he have the right to expect that his wages will, at the very least, keep pace with inflation? Yes, he does. >>> ...if he has a protected right to this, then employers face compliance violations... since they don't, we must conclude that there's no rights violation, right?
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 1, 2011 23:13:33 GMT -5
<<< Yes, I'm talking about *expanding* the Obama-care idea because it doesn't go far enough. No exemptions at ALL, for anyone. Everyone plays and everyone pays >>> ...now you're talking rights violations...
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jun 1, 2011 23:20:10 GMT -5
Does he have the right to expect that his wages will, at the very least, keep pace with inflation? Yes, he does.
With all the illegals taking the menial jobs? No he doesn't. A perfect scenario for liberals - the real Americans who could do those jobs just go on welfare and vote democrat. The other idiot troop (federal government workers who administer all the giveaway programs) vote democrat. It is so blatantly obvious yet these despots get voted in every 8 years or so. Incredible.
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Post by hannah27 on Jun 1, 2011 23:27:09 GMT -5
I believe my solution, some one was hounding me for a solution and I suggested if i was a manager to grant with in limits certain wage limits, if I had a worker who expressed frustration as Jose might have, and language would not have been a problem, worst case scenario, and I don't believe after nine years Jose can't communicate in English but just in case he couldn't, get some one to translate, but back to the solution. The idea that Jose cannot speak English means he's a loser is beyond ridiculous; he's been mopping floors in Spanish for nearly a decade and apparently his employers were pleased with his work or they would have fired him long ago. Suddenly his lack of English skills are somehow to blame for the fact that he has not gotten any cost of living increases in NINE YEARS?? I see people justifying his dismal wages with all sorts of silly statements like this. The bald truth is that a nanosecond after the economy picks up again, nobody will care that Jose doesn't speak English. What they will care about is that he has a pulse, shows up to work every day on time, and does his job. And any of the currently unemployed people who think they would love to have his cushy $9 per hour job cleaning up other people's messes will quit at their first opportunity. People like Jose are necessary. They make our world a nicer place. That goes for anyone who cleans, picks up garbage, serves or prepares food, cares for the elderly or small children, deals with death and dying, trims the hedges, etc. We pay the most important people in our society the least amount of money and denigrate them for good measure; our value systems are a mess.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jun 1, 2011 23:31:47 GMT -5
People like Jose are necessary.
Wrong. Eliminate welfare for able bodied people and you will see just how needed a Mexican who can't speak English would be.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 1, 2011 23:32:48 GMT -5
Your assuming again that he is illegal , so I will assume too, ok with you?
I am assuming if he is public with his demands, is he demanding, so long ago I don't know how this is going or started , but lets assume, as long as we are assuming, that he is unhappy voicing his displeasure publickly.
To do so, calls attention to himself and even if they , agency who deals with immigration enforcement, , are not actively going nuts on the investigation of illlegals in the area, something like this..public , publicity of, , they are checking it out and if illegal, back he goes, so I am assuming, remeber wea re assuming here, he is here legally, with what ever papers , permits, permission he needs to clean these floors.
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Post by hannah27 on Jun 1, 2011 23:34:32 GMT -5
<<< You either believe in ethical business practices - or you do not. >>> ...define "ethics"... <<< Does he have the right to expect that his wages will, at the very least, keep pace with inflation? Yes, he does. >>> ...if he has a protected right to this, then employers face compliance violations... since they don't, we must conclude that there's no rights violation, right? We must conclude that some people will run in circles to avoid admitting that some practices are indeed unethical. I never said that there is a rights violation, did I? I said that he has the right to expect that his salary, dismal as it is, will at the very least keep pace with inflation.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 1, 2011 23:36:56 GMT -5
<<< You either believe in ethical business practices - or you do not. >>> ...define "ethics"... <<< Does he have the right to expect that his wages will, at the very least, keep pace with inflation? Yes, he does. >>> ...if he has a protected right to this, then employers face compliance violations... since they don't, we must conclude that there's no rights violation, right? We must conclude that some people will run in circles to avoid admitting that some practices are indeed unethical. I never said that there is a rights violation, did I? I said that he has the right to expect that his salary, dismal as it is, will at the very least keep pace with inflation.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 1, 2011 23:37:24 GMT -5
or someone is honest with him and tells him what he gets is all that he will get...due to what ever...
Then its his choice to look for something better.
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Post by hannah27 on Jun 1, 2011 23:39:02 GMT -5
With all the illegals taking the menial jobs? No he doesn't. A perfect scenario for liberals - the real Americans who could do those jobs just go on welfare and vote democrat. The other idiot troop (federal government workers who administer all the giveaway programs) vote democrat. It is so blatantly obvious yet these despots get voted in every 8 years or so. Incredible. Were you having a stream of consciousness moment when you wrote this? Real Americans go on welfare to avoid earning $9 per hour? Really? On what planet, exactly? What does liberal vs conservative have to do with it? Do you think that Republicans don't care about equitable working conditions and wages? Guess again.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 1, 2011 23:40:14 GMT -5
or someone is honest with him and tells him what he gets is all that he will get...due to what ever... Then its his choice to look for something better. ...every worker always gets paid what may be all that they ever will get paid... and yes, many choose to stay, anyway...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 1, 2011 23:41:33 GMT -5
<<< Real Americans go on welfare to avoid earning $9 per hour? Really? On what planet, exactly? >>> ...Earth... and if you were being rhetorical, then disregard my response...
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jun 1, 2011 23:49:40 GMT -5
Real Americans go on welfare to avoid earning $9 per hour? Really? On what planet, exactly?
Yeah, what planet is right. You know that generational welfare recipients have more kids to get more welfare right? You know that they pull all kinds of stunts like getting their kids labeled with ADHD in school and countless other schemes to get more free dough out of the government right? People adapt and learn when there is free money up for grabs. Cut it off and you will see them do something like work for a living. If there is no work because all the illegals have taken it then there will some serious confrontations. Blame liberals on the ensuing deaths.
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