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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 13, 2011 12:30:32 GMT -5
it's called 'tenderizing' dezi.. and i bet i can find a good marinade to go along with it!
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 13, 2011 12:36:24 GMT -5
it's called 'tenderizing' dezi.. and i bet i can find a good marinade to go along with it! <-- Is wondering what flavor marinade could possibly make troll taste good....
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 13, 2011 12:40:09 GMT -5
it's called 'tenderizing' dezi.. and i bet i can find a good marinade to go along with it! <-- Is wondering what flavor marinade could possibly make troll taste good.... Boo Ten Az, great marinade, makes the toughest cut of meat nice and easy fork tender.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 13, 2011 12:45:00 GMT -5
oh i don't want to eat him.. i just want the salt to hurt the wounds.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 13, 2011 13:31:25 GMT -5
Because for a long time the rich has supported the poor and the middle class, and it is simply not fair. bullcrap. you (supposed) rich don't take care of me other than providing a job. again, bullcrap. people are having to work multiple low paying jobs just to put food on the table. and greedy people like you would have them earn even less? Hence the poor and the middle class has to accept a lower standard of living. you are insane.. i'm not going to live in a hovel just because you think you need to be even MORE rich.. OK, I will stop being sarcastic here. How many times have you heard Republican politicians and the conservatives on this board say that the rich take care of the poor and hence deserve a tax break? Did you protest? How many times have you heard union bashing and did nothing, while unions were the biggest drivers of livable wages for Americans from the 50's to the 70's? How many times have you heard someone make a joke about the whole living wage movement and said nothing? What I have said on this board are exactly the fiscal policies of the Republican politicians. I can prove it with actual examples. Yet, people are mad at me, but still vote Republican.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 13, 2011 13:50:19 GMT -5
bullcrap. you (supposed) rich don't take care of me other than providing a job. again, bullcrap. people are having to work multiple low paying jobs just to put food on the table. and greedy people like you would have them earn even less? you are insane.. i'm not going to live in a hovel just because you think you need to be even MORE rich.. OK, I will stop being sarcastic here. How many times have you heard Republican politicians and the conservatives on this board say that the rich take care of the poor and hence deserve a tax break? Did you protest? How many times have you heard union bashing and did nothing, while unions were the biggest drivers of livable wages for Americans from the 50's to the 70's? How many times have you heard someone make a joke about the whole living wage movement and said nothing? What I have said on this board are exactly the fiscal policies of the Republican politicians. I can prove it with actual examples. Yet, people are mad at me, but still vote Republican. You need to show me this in writing please. As was discussued (by me since no one bothered to refute my numbers) in the wal mart thread, The highest we have been as a nation in Union Percentages and numbers was 25% in 1954 and non farm related unions hit 34% in 1945. Please tell me where the driving factor from the 50-70's come in? In today's world, only 6.9% of the private workforce is unionized compared to 36.2% of Government employees. The days of Unions have come and gone, only the government is still trully supporting unions, from the backs of tax payers. In 2010, 7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1 million union workers in the private sector. The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent). www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htmAnd this question I asked multiple times in this thread, What exactly is a living wage? If you make 2x's the poverty level would you say that is a living wage?
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 13, 2011 14:23:06 GMT -5
oh i don't want to eat him.. i just want the salt to hurt the wounds. We can always stew him and serve him up to all the poor folks he loves to support. Either way, I'll bring the adult beverages.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 13, 2011 14:32:13 GMT -5
OK, I will stop being sarcastic here. How many times have you heard Republican politicians and the conservatives on this board say that the rich take care of the poor and hence deserve a tax break? Did you protest? How many times have you heard union bashing and did nothing, while unions were the biggest drivers of livable wages for Americans from the 50's to the 70's? How many times have you heard someone make a joke about the whole living wage movement and said nothing? What I have said on this board are exactly the fiscal policies of the Republican politicians. I can prove it with actual examples. Yet, people are mad at me, but still vote Republican. You need to show me this in writing please. As was discussued (by me since no one bothered to refute my numbers) in the wal mart thread, The highest we have been as a nation in Union Percentages and numbers was 25% in 1954 and non farm related unions hit 34% in 1945. Please tell me where the driving factor from the 50-70's come in? In today's world, only 6.9% of the private workforce is unionized compared to 36.2% of Government employees. The days of Unions have come and gone, only the government is still trully supporting unions, from the backs of tax payers. In 2010, 7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1 million union workers in the private sector. The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent). www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htmAnd this question I asked multiple times in this thread, What exactly is a living wage? If you make 2x's the poverty level would you say that is a living wage? Let me ask you a question, do you think unions put upward pressure on wages?
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 13, 2011 15:05:27 GMT -5
You need to show me this in writing please. As was discussued (by me since no one bothered to refute my numbers) in the wal mart thread, The highest we have been as a nation in Union Percentages and numbers was 25% in 1954 and non farm related unions hit 34% in 1945. Please tell me where the driving factor from the 50-70's come in? In today's world, only 6.9% of the private workforce is unionized compared to 36.2% of Government employees. The days of Unions have come and gone, only the government is still trully supporting unions, from the backs of tax payers. In 2010, 7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1 million union workers in the private sector. The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent). www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htmAnd this question I asked multiple times in this thread, What exactly is a living wage? If you make 2x's the poverty level would you say that is a living wage? Let me ask you a question, do you think unions put upward pressure on wages? Before I answer your question you should really address the question put to you first, that is the way discourse goes, I have asked you to prove your statement, can you or can you not?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 13, 2011 17:26:45 GMT -5
OK, I will answer. The driving factor for higher wages were the unions. A living wage is something no less than 1/50th of the richest person in the country.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 13, 2011 17:32:34 GMT -5
A living wage is something no less than 1/50th of the richest person in the country.
And that would be?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 13, 2011 17:37:56 GMT -5
A living wage is something no less than 1/50th of the richest person in the country. And that would be? Depends on the country.
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 13, 2011 17:40:02 GMT -5
OK, I will answer. The driving factor for higher wages were the unions. A living wage is something no less than 1/50th of the richest person in the country. Interesting. According to Forbes, the richest person in America is Bill Gates. He draws no salary from Microsoft, so 1/50th of nothing is...nothing! OK, that'll work...
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 13, 2011 18:00:11 GMT -5
OK, I will answer. The driving factor for higher wages were the unions. A living wage is something no less than 1/50th of the richest person in the country. Interesting. According to Forbes, the richest person in America is Bill Gates. He draws no salary from Microsoft, so 1/50th of nothing is...nothing! OK, that'll work... Works for me too
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 13, 2011 18:47:04 GMT -5
What drove Wage increases from 1945 to the mid 70's wasn't unions, it was the fact that the world had to rebuild after WW2. We (collective) didn't have to face the destruction that the war wrot, we had an unequaled control on commerce, the world needed what we had and they needed a lot of it, during this peaceful times we rebuilt our enemies, sinking not only our resources but opening the coffers and paying into their redevelopment.
Today we reap what we have sown. Our global opponents now take our money, sell us items we need at inflated prices, we still sell to economies that are oppressive at favored rates.
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Post by formerexpat on Jun 13, 2011 19:56:15 GMT -5
But wait, I thought we had people telling us that Bill and other good, rich democrats keep saying that taxes need to be raised on the rich. How would Bill's [and Warren for that matter] taxes increase if they don't take income [or much income] from the company but rather live off of the other, munificent compensation? Bill probably isn't the best current example though since he is no longer an employee of Microsoft; but is the Chairman and serves as an adviser from time to time. But it was the union that pushed excesses during those times in vacation, pay and benefits [both current and in retirement] that resulted in many of those industries collapsed post 1970's [airline, steel, auto]. The structure of the union didn't allow for companies to "reshape" as was necessary to ride the storm.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 13, 2011 20:11:52 GMT -5
What drove Wage increases from 1945 to the mid 70's wasn't unions, it was the fact that the world had to rebuild after WW2. We (collective) didn't have to face the destruction that the war wrot, we had an unequaled control on commerce, the world needed what we had and they needed a lot of it, during this peaceful times we rebuilt our enemies, sinking not only our resources but opening the coffers and paying into their redevelopment. Today we reap what we have sown. Our global opponents now take our money, sell us items we need at inflated prices, we still sell to economies that are oppressive at favored rates. Europe was done building by the end of the 50s. It was the unions that kept the income inequality low. I find it beyond amusing that you claim that our global opponents (codename for China) sells us goods at inflated prices. Now that I have answered your questions, what about answering mine. Do you think that unions put an upward pressure on wages?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 13, 2011 20:14:21 GMT -5
But wait, I thought we had people telling us that Bill and other good, rich democrats keep saying that taxes need to be raised on the rich. How would Bill's [and Warren for that matter] taxes increase if they don't take income [or much income] from the company but rather live off of the other, munificent compensation? Bill probably isn't the best current example though since he is no longer an employee of Microsoft; but is the Chairman and serves as an adviser from time to time. But it was the union that pushed excesses during those times in vacation, pay and benefits [both current and in retirement] that resulted in many of those industries collapsed post 1970's [airline, steel, auto]. The structure of the union didn't allow for companies to "reshape" as was necessary to ride the storm. If you want the industry reshaped to ride out storms, you have to then accept massive offshoring to low cost countries and resultant drop in American standard of living. When I (jokingly) mentioned that, people were not happy. Well, there is no free lunch. Either have unions and high standard of living, or not have unions and low standard of living.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 14, 2011 7:02:11 GMT -5
What drove Wage increases from 1945 to the mid 70's wasn't unions, it was the fact that the world had to rebuild after WW2. We (collective) didn't have to face the destruction that the war wrot, we had an unequaled control on commerce, the world needed what we had and they needed a lot of it, during this peaceful times we rebuilt our enemies, sinking not only our resources but opening the coffers and paying into their redevelopment. Today we reap what we have sown. Our global opponents now take our money, sell us items we need at inflated prices, we still sell to economies that are oppressive at favored rates. Europe was done building by the end of the 50s. It was the unions that kept the income inequality low. I find it beyond amusing that you claim that our global opponents (codename for China) sells us goods at inflated prices. Now that I have answered your questions, what about answering mine. Do you think that unions put an upward pressure on wages? Actually, if you look at the history of reconstruction, the rebuilding process after WWII lasted until the 70's (now you need to look at all of Europe, Germany, Russia and Japan to see what had to be rebuilt), to believe that Europe was "rebuilt" in less than 5 years is laughable, WW2 battles ended in 1945 treaty signed in 1947 Germany finally signed after Germany was unified in 1990. Do I believe that Unions placed pressure yes, from 1935 to 1950 it may have (I use the term may her, because it cannot be proven, Unions may have had an impact, the shape of the world at the time may also have had an impact). In the time when unions were needed they could have been a great thing. As I have stated there time has come and gone, collective bargaining protects incompetents and sloth, people have a better understanding of business and how to negotiate for there wages, they don't just have to sign and owe the company store.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 14, 2011 8:07:21 GMT -5
A union wage premium refers to the degree in which union wages exceed non-union member wages. Union wage premiums are one of the most researched and analyzed issues in economics especially in labor economics.[1] Unions and their struggle for wages and better benefits usually target larger firms that have a concentrated industry.[2] Unions have an effect on wages, the probability of gaining benefits, productivity of the worker, and workplace protections.[3] One of the characteristics of a union is to try to bargain and negotiate wages and hours. Unions also try to reduce or eliminate pay discrimination and low wages.[1] The wage gap of non-union workers and unionized workers since the 1970s has varied between 21% and 32% in the U.S.[4] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_wage_premium
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 14, 2011 8:08:15 GMT -5
So there you have the facts, CME.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 14, 2011 8:20:50 GMT -5
Wages: Grocery Store Workers Go On Hunger Strike
Did these so called Grocery Store Workers ever get the raise they wanted of did they get picked up by ICE or who cares??
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 14, 2011 9:43:28 GMT -5
OK, I will answer. The driving factor for higher wages were the unions. A living wage is something no less than 1/50th of the richest person in the country. Nope. The driving factor for higher wages was supply and demand. After WWII the United States was the "last man standing" after a brutal fight that left the industrial capacity of most of the rest of the world in shambles. In short, we were the only people that could make anything. The central planners were running Russia and Eastern Europe so there was no incentive to make anything there. So, the US needed labor to mee the world demand-- and really and truly the ONLY thing standing in the way of workers and an even better deal was.... The government. That's right kids. During the war, the US Government saw fit to implement wage and price controls so that it was actually ILLEGAL to pay workers more. This is in large part why we have the messed up, employer-owned medical insurance debacle we have right now: rather than higher wages which the government prohibited in spite of the fact employers were champing at the bit to pay workers MORE (not less), companies resorted to non-wage benefits-- like healthcare. It really was lovely seeing you try. Thank you for playing. Goodbye.
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