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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2022 22:16:59 GMT -5
ok, so Thyme's negativity about AZ got me worried, and the more i look into Arizona, the more freaked out i get. let's recall first that Cyber Ninjas were in AZ. this is sort of a cesspool of crazy conspiracy in the legislature, but it has gotten WORSE in the last two years. (meanwhile, cyberninjas has gone bankrupt. you can read about it at their website, cyberninjas.com/ i also recommend that you read the Post from the CEO at the bottom as he suggests that you put your life in the hands of God at the bottom from his compound in FLORIDA where he lives with his five wives). now they have armed vigilantes watching polling places. there was a lawsuit filed tonight that will be heard TOMORROW by the district court that enjoins the plaintiffs seeking injunctive relief for this. here is the BASIS of this case: campaignlegal.org/sites/default/files/2020-10/IntimidationMemo-AZ-r2.pdfi am worried and a bit sad that it might be too late, but if Arizona goes, then one big piece of Trump's puzzle will be in the hands of outright crazy. Thyme is worried that this WILL happen, and i am worried, too. i am tempted to gather a bunch of musicians to travel to Maricopa county and follow around those armed idiots with instruments and play circus music. they a fucking bunch of clowns, and they need to be confronted. all madness on Arizona goes here. two weeks and counting.
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Post by dondub on Oct 24, 2022 23:37:56 GMT -5
Geez, Doug. You are even begging for money to pay your debts.
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Post by dondub on Oct 24, 2022 23:57:17 GMT -5
Thyme,
There is always western Washington.. Cascades on the east, B.C. to the north, the Pacific to the west, and Oregon to the south. That’s a pretty damn good buffer even if the wackos take over for (hopefully) only a few years. Or Turkey for the surprisingly paranoid.😎
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2022 1:43:14 GMT -5
Thyme, There is always western Washington.. Cascades on the east, B.C. to the north, the Pacific to the west, and Oregon to the south. That’s a pretty damn good buffer even if the wackos take over for (hopefully) only a few years. Or Turkey for the surprisingly paranoid.😎 convince me that the US is not heading to a place that is somewhat worse than Turkey. take all the time you like. this is a very patient forum.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 25, 2022 3:39:26 GMT -5
Thyme, There is always western Washington.. Cascades on the east, B.C. to the north, the Pacific to the west, and Oregon to the south. That’s a pretty damn good buffer even if the wackos take over for (hopefully) only a few years. Or Turkey for the surprisingly paranoid.😎 convince me that the US is not heading to a place that is somewhat worse than Turkey. take all the time you like. this is a very patient forum. Well, I may not be able to do that, but I'll say this: My state and city pretty well insulate me from the evils of conservative politics. My neighborhood and situation pretty well insulate me from the evils of progressive politics. I may not be entirely optimistic about the rest of the country, but just for myself, I'm good.
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Post by engineerdoe on Oct 25, 2022 12:23:43 GMT -5
Thyme, There is always western Washington.. Cascades on the east, B.C. to the north, the Pacific to the west, and Oregon to the south. That’s a pretty damn good buffer even if the wackos take over for (hopefully) only a few years. Or Turkey for the surprisingly paranoid.😎 I may need to consider moving west of the Cascades. Over here we have Cathy McMorris-Rodgers that we can't seem to get rid of. I am also not happy with how close Smiley is in the polls with Murray. Also having to deal with the republicans trying to take over the county auditors office and destroy democracy completely. I do know that some of the northern town/cities on the west side are not altogether sane.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2022 12:47:05 GMT -5
convince me that the US is not heading to a place that is somewhat worse than Turkey. take all the time you like. this is a very patient forum. Well, I may not be able to do that, but I'll say this: My state and city pretty well insulate me from the evils of conservative politics. My neighborhood and situation pretty well insulate me from the evils of progressive politics. I may not be entirely optimistic about the rest of the country, but just for myself, I'm good. so, you won't be affected when they unravel civil rights and dismantle SS and the infrastructure bill? that is some state you have there!
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 25, 2022 13:03:14 GMT -5
This should fit here very well....Jon Stewart...
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Post by tallguy on Oct 25, 2022 13:10:46 GMT -5
Well, I may not be able to do that, but I'll say this: My state and city pretty well insulate me from the evils of conservative politics. My neighborhood and situation pretty well insulate me from the evils of progressive politics. I may not be entirely optimistic about the rest of the country, but just for myself, I'm good. so, you won't be affected when they unravel civil rights and dismantle SS and the infrastructure bill? that is some state you have there! I am a white male property owner with more money than I need. What can they do to me?
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 25, 2022 13:45:12 GMT -5
Thyme, There is always western Washington.. Cascades on the east, B.C. to the north, the Pacific to the west, and Oregon to the south. That’s a pretty damn good buffer even if the wackos take over for (hopefully) only a few years. Or Turkey for the surprisingly paranoid.😎 I may need to consider moving west of the Cascades. Over here we have Cathy McMorris-Rodgers that we can't seem to get rid of. I am also not happy with how close Smiley is in the polls with Murray. Also having to deal with the republicans trying to take over the county auditors office and destroy democracy completely. I do know that some of the northern town/cities on the west side are not altogether sane. Fortunately we have a solid professional running unopposed for auditor so we are good on that front for at least the next four years.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2022 13:53:23 GMT -5
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Post by tallguy on Oct 25, 2022 14:02:22 GMT -5
Oh please! I've used that here as much as you have, probably. My point is that anything they would do would actually HELP me. My "privilege" is pretty much exactly what they want to bulwark.
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Oct 25, 2022 14:04:05 GMT -5
I hope and want to believe that tallguy was being facetious with his post, and that he does care about things that don’t necessarily affect him and his life directly. When Trump and company were so obsessed with Mexicans coming into our country and bashing Mexicans period, I told my children we have to stand with and for other minorities in this country, because Mexicans were just first on the hit list. If we just stood by and watched them be mistreated and/or worse, eventually those same evil things would make their way to being done to us even more than what it already was.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 25, 2022 14:07:55 GMT -5
I believe that what tallguy is saying is the following(which I have said) "I am an upper middle class white male. What are they going to do that will hurt me. They are trying to keep the privileges that people like me enjoy intact. If it gets to the point where they are hurting people like me,we are all f***ed." For his lifetime(and mine) things will still be real good for people like us. Not so sure about our descendents.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2022 14:09:08 GMT -5
I believe that what tallguy is saying is the following(which I have said) "I am an upper middle class white male. What are they going to do that will hurt me. They are trying to keep the privileges that people like me enjoy intact. If it gets to the point where they are hurting people like me,we are all f***ed." For his lifetime(and mine) things will still be real good for people like us. Not so sure about our descendents. i am not even sure about our ascendants.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 25, 2022 14:12:59 GMT -5
I hope and want to believe that tallguy was being facetious with his post, and that he does care about things that don’t necessarily affect him and his life directly.When Trump and company were so obsessed with Mexicans coming into our country and bashing Mexicans period, I told my children we have to stand with and for other minorities in this country, because Mexicans were just first on the hit list. If we just stood by and watched them be mistreated and/or worse, eventually those same evil things would make their way to being done to us even more than what it already was. Of course, and even if people do not recognize my poster name and recall what I have argued in the past, even a cursory examination of ANYTHING I have ever posted here will confirm that. (Also, the little winky guy at the end of the post should have told everyone that it was facetious or joking anyway, so....)
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2022 14:14:49 GMT -5
I hope and want to believe that tallguy was being facetious with his post, and that he does care about things that don’t necessarily affect him and his life directly.When Trump and company were so obsessed with Mexicans coming into our country and bashing Mexicans period, I told my children we have to stand with and for other minorities in this country, because Mexicans were just first on the hit list. If we just stood by and watched them be mistreated and/or worse, eventually those same evil things would make their way to being done to us even more than what it already was. Of course, and even if people do not recognize my poster name and recall what I have argued in the past, even a cursory examination of ANYTHING I have ever posted here will confirm that. (Also, the little winky guy at the end of the post should have told everyone that it was facetious or joking anyway, so....) i keep forgetting what that symbol means. as someone who has spent too much time defending my sarcastic remarks on another thread, i am all too sympathetic at this moment.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2022 14:17:03 GMT -5
PS- i have used this exact same logic about Trump, from people trying to poach me from the right. my argument was that i stood to benefit from his policies, so my position has nothing to do with that.
it has to do with the wholesale suffering of others. including MANY of his voters.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2022 14:17:57 GMT -5
getting back to the subject, tg and others:
DOES WHAT IS HAPPENING IN AZ WORRY YOU? IF NOT, WHY NOT?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 25, 2022 14:22:16 GMT -5
getting back to the subject, tg and others: DOES WHAT IS HAPPENING IN AZ WORRY YOU? IF NOT, WHY NOT? I am worried about the election in general. AZ is concerning. Unfortunately, there is little I can do to affect that. Too many stupid people voting. They are too easily swayed by racism and lying. And too many people don't vote because "my vote doesn't matter". Not sure what else can be done at this point. AZ is going to do what it is going to do.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2022 14:25:28 GMT -5
i am actually not that worried about this election. i am worried about the CONSEQUENCES of this election.
i see this election as setting up a re-run for Trump in 2024. a more successful one.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 25, 2022 14:28:28 GMT -5
In a general sense, yes it does. Absolutely. Any threat to our democracy should concern us all. As a practical matter, I also recognize that it will have no real effect until they manage to not only succeed in Arizona but also spread that success to enough other states that they can in fact overthrow an election. I am certainly not blind to the effect that even incremental progress will have, but I have no illusion that our world is ending because of it...yet. We should of course fight against ANY progress on their part. Citizenship and a true belief in America demands that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2022 14:47:55 GMT -5
ok, follow up question:
do you think that AZ may have "cautionary tale" value?
in other words, it is DOUBTFUL that AZ could change the 2024 result all by itself. but if we LEARN from the hell that is unleashed in AZ, it might lead to more significant election reform.
NOTE: i am not suggesting that it is necessary, nor sufficient. i think it is atrocious.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 25, 2022 14:57:04 GMT -5
ok, follow up question: do you think that AZ may have "cautionary tale" value? I hope so. That is the one benefit that could come from it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2022 15:03:35 GMT -5
ok, follow up question: do you think that AZ may have "cautionary tale" value? I hope so. That is the one benefit that could come from it. i would actually like to see the cities descend into massive protests. that would set up a rather interesting dynamic between state and federal power.
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Post by swamp on Oct 25, 2022 21:30:16 GMT -5
getting back to the subject, tg and others: DOES WHAT IS HAPPENING IN AZ WORRY YOU? IF NOT, WHY NOT? It scares the shit out of me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2022 22:35:53 GMT -5
getting back to the subject, tg and others: DOES WHAT IS HAPPENING IN AZ WORRY YOU? IF NOT, WHY NOT? It scares the shit out of me. thank you. if Arizona was Mexico we would be losing our MINDS right now. why are we NOT losing our minds because it is Arizona?
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Post by swamp on Oct 26, 2022 8:30:39 GMT -5
It scares the shit out of me. thank you. if Arizona was Mexico we would be losing our MINDS right now. why are we NOT losing our minds because it is Arizona? I think it's because Arizona is full of brown people who a generally sus to a bunch of old white people.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 26, 2022 12:03:34 GMT -5
'We'll come and babysit polling sites': Maricopa County sheriff will keep an eye on ballot drop boxesPHOENIX - Law enforcement officers are monitoring outdoor ballot drop boxes as voter intimidation complaints over election observers continue to roll in, Maricopa County officials said. Groups of people have filmed voters and taken photos of their license plates as they dropped off their early ballots. It's not a state crime, but it's making voters uncomfortable. "People have rights, and I respect those rights," Sheriff Paul Penzone said Monday of the election observers. "But you can be intimidating without committing a crime. You can make people uncomfortable without committing a crime. It doesn't make it OK because it's not a crime." He promised to provide as many deputies as needed to ensure safety, as U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland and state officials warned ballot drop box watchers that they won't tolerate voter intimidation. "The more folks that there are creating problems, the more deputies you're going to see on the streets focused on this," Penzone said at a news conference. "We'll come and babysit polling sites because people want to misbehave, if that's what we have to do to protect democracy." Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer attended the event with Penzone. The sheriff warned that deputies will get involved if the observers threaten violence, attempt to block voters from accessing the ballot boxes or try to influence who voters cast ballots for. The Department of Justice also has expressed interest in the complaints. Those who do not run afoul of state law still can be charged with voter intimidation by federal authorities. The Arizona Secretary of State's Office has asked federal authorities to investigate six voter intimidation complaints in recent days, all from the Phoenix area. State officials also have referred one election worker harassment case to law enforcement. “The Justice Department has an obligation to guarantee a free and fair vote by everyone who is qualified to vote and will not permit voters to be intimidated," Garland said. The complaints allege that groups of people are filming voters and taking photos of their license plates as they drop off their ballots. The incidents have all occurred near the county's two outdoor ballot drop boxes in downtown Phoenix and Mesa. The Sheriff's Office is understaffed, and Penzone said he's already dedicating "a considerable amount of resources just to give people confidence that they can cast their vote safely." He warned that drop box watchers aren't helping democracy and are straining his deputies. "Stop draining our resources in places unnecessarily," Penzone said. "There are folks out there who need our help a heck of a lot more than watching people at a polling site because you're watching somebody else and filming them and intimidating them." Rest of article here: 'We'll come and babysit polling sites': Maricopa County sheriff will keep an eye on ballot drop boxes
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Post by swamp on Oct 26, 2022 12:29:59 GMT -5
Other than scaring away brown people, what is the purpose of baby sitting the ballot boxes?
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