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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 14, 2011 9:44:53 GMT -5
The British atheist Richard Dawkins is no fan of Catholicism. But he is honest enough to say that the Catholic Church “has been unfairly demonized over the issue, especially in Ireland and America.” Now if Dawkins gets it, why can’t other atheist or Catholic Church haters and bashers?
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Apr 14, 2011 10:12:07 GMT -5
The British atheist Richard Dawkins is no fan of Catholicism. But he is honest enough to say that the Catholic Church “has been unfairly demonized over the issue, especially in Ireland and America.” Now if Dawkins gets it, why can’t other atheist or Catholic Church haters and bashers? Here is the exact quote This is one mans personal opinion, and introspect. He does not suggest to speak for other people (including other Atheists). People are allowed to come to their own conclusions and there is a large amount of people that will not allow what happens and is happening in the Catholic church to go forgotten or un-talked about. Why can't the Church step up and accept responsibility, and stop hiding? If they did there would be less church bashers.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 14, 2011 11:20:08 GMT -5
Catholic League president Bill Donohue said this. Catholic League president Bill Donohue said that. P.I.-how about a few statements from those who were abused (and under the age of consent) by the priests and nuns. You might want to read this too. The Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States A Research Study Conducted by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice
In June 2002 the full body of Catholic bishops of the United States in their General Meeting in Dallas approved the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People. The Charter created a National Review Board, which was assigned responsibility to commission a descriptive study, with the full cooperation of the dioceses/eparchies, of the nature and scope of the problem of sexual abuse of minors by clergy. The National Review Board engaged the John Jay College of Criminal Justice of the City University of New York to conduct research, summarize the collected data and issue a summary report to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops of its findings. This report by the John Jay College is authorized for publication by the undersigned.
---Msgr. William P. Fay General Secretary www.usccb.org/nrb/johnjaystudy/
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Post by ty on Apr 14, 2011 11:21:48 GMT -5
Why can't the Church step up and accept responsibility, and stop hiding? If they did there would be less church bashers.
Never gonna happen! If they owned up to their crimes that would put an end to their cash flow. Church and Religion is nothing more than another Y2K scam. Lying to the people in exchange for the intangible product they are selling and have no real proof of. Feeding the people lies that they will burn in an internal hell for life if they do not believe in their intangible god and bs imo should not be allowed.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 14, 2011 11:25:51 GMT -5
Why can't the Church step up and accept responsibility, and stop hiding? If they did there would be less church bashers. Never gonna happen! If they owned up to their crimes that would put an end to their cash flow. Church and Religion is nothing more than another Y2K scam. Lying to the people in exchange for the intangible product they are selling and have no real proof of. Feeding the people lies that they will burn in an internal hell for life if they do not believe in their intangible god and bs imo should not be allowed. The Catholic church has been pretty good about stepping up and accepting responsibility but only because they were called on the carpet for trying to keep it all private. The church is doing better today than they were 10-20 years ago. Sadly new cases are always rising to the surface.
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Post by ed1066 on Apr 14, 2011 11:30:10 GMT -5
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Post by burnsattornincan on Apr 14, 2011 11:54:47 GMT -5
So how many millions of dollars do they want? Its all about getting some free dough.
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Post by ed1066 on Apr 14, 2011 12:05:35 GMT -5
The fact that these are civil cases sends the wrong message. These priests and church officials should be arrested and tried in criminal court, where, if found guilty, they will get actual criminal penalties instead of just fines levied or "out of court settlements" which the Church uses to pay hush money to the accusers. This makes both parties look bad.
If there is abuse going on, it needs to be handled as a criminal matter, in open court where the accusers are called as witnesses and where everyone can hear the accusations and the defense.
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 14, 2011 12:05:41 GMT -5
So how many millions of dollars do they want? Its all about getting some free dough.
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 14, 2011 12:07:52 GMT -5
In June 2002 the full body of Catholic bishops of the United States in their General Meeting in Dallas approved the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People.
Excuse me and I hate to nic pick anyone but this is 2011 and a lot has changed since 9 years ago.....just in case you were wondering or not??
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 14, 2011 12:10:42 GMT -5
The fact that these are civil cases sends the wrong message. These priests and church officials should be arrested and tried in criminal court, where, if found guilty, they will get actual criminal penalties instead of just fines levied or "out of court settlements" which the Church uses to pay hush money to the accusers. This makes both parties look bad. If there is abuse going on, it needs to be handled as a criminal matter, in open court where the accusers are called as witnesses and where everyone can hear the accusations and the defense. ed, in many of these cases, the statute of limitations has expired. so the civil case is the only route still available. some abusers were arrested, tried, and convicted. I referred earlier to one such priest that was killed in prison by another inmate - John Geoghan.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 14, 2011 12:14:59 GMT -5
In June 2002 the full body of Catholic bishops of the United States in their General Meeting in Dallas approved the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People.Excuse me and I hate to nic pick anyone but this is 2011 and a lot has changed since 9 years ago.....just in case you were wondering or not?? You are excused. I thought you would be interested in a little background as to what took place up to 2002. Read it or not. It is interesting.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Apr 14, 2011 12:22:21 GMT -5
Why can't the Church step up and accept responsibility, and stop hiding? If they did there would be less church bashers. Never gonna happen! If they owned up to their crimes that would put an end to their cash flow. Church and Religion is nothing more than another Y2K scam. Lying to the people in exchange for the intangible product they are selling and have no real proof of. Feeding the people lies that they will burn in an internal hell for life if they do not believe in their intangible god and bs imo should not be allowed. The Catholic church has been pretty good about stepping up and accepting responsibility but only because they were called on the carpet for trying to keep it all private. The church is doing better today than they were 10-20 years ago. Sadly new cases are always rising to the surface. Maybe in the US they have been good about stepping up, but the Roman Catholic Church has not been so willing and open to admit to wrong doing.
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 14, 2011 12:25:49 GMT -5
Pope to sex abuse victims: 'I am truly sorry' Mar. 20, 2010 Accountability [1] Article Details Benedict writes pastoral letter to the Catholics of Ireland In his most comprehensive statement yet on the sexual abuse crisis, Pope Benedict XVI has apologized to victims, called on abuser priests to tell the truth, and charged bishops to cooperate with civil authorities. The pope also announced plans for a Vatican-sponsored investigation of Irish dioceses, seminaries and religious orders, in response to the massive national scandal that has gripped that once ultra-Catholic nation. Ireland_letter.jpg [2] A child shakes hands with Cardinal Sean Brady following St. Patrick's Day Mass in St. Patrick's Cathedral in Armagh, Northern Ireland, March 17. (CNS photo/Cathal McNaughton, Reuters) In his most comprehensive statement yet on the sexual abuse crisis, Pope Benedict XVI has apologized to victims, called on abuser priests to tell the truth, and charged bishops to cooperate with civil authorities. The pope also announced plans for a Vatican-sponsored investigation of Irish dioceses, seminaries and religious orders, in response to the massive national scandal that has gripped that once ultra-Catholic nation since release of a government-sponsored inquiry into sex abuse in church-sponsored institutions in the Dublin archdiocese late last year. Those points came in a pastoral letter to the Catholics of Ireland, released by the Vatican this morning, March 20. Because the letter concerns Ireland, Benedict did not allude to the other sex abuse scandals spreading across Europe and other parts of the world, or to questions about his own record as archbishop of Munich from 1977 to 1982. "You have suffered grievously and I am truly sorry," Benedict XVI wrote in a section of the letter addressed to victims and their families in Ireland. "Many of you found that, when you were courageous enough to speak of what happened to you, no one would listen," the pope wrote, expressing "shame and remorse" in the name of the entire church. The full text of the letter is here: Pope's letter to Catholics of Ireland [3] ncronline.org/news/accountability/pope-sex-abuse-victims-i-am-truly-sorry
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 14, 2011 12:38:47 GMT -5
This message has been deleted by me. Ok ed but how about if I add to that comment with this from Mr Donahue who seems to have a lot to say in this matter: Catholic League President, Bill Donohue, Defends Church Scandals by Suggesting that Homosexuality, Not Pedophilia, Is the Problem In the Catholic Church -- Newsflash: Both Are an Abomination
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Post by steff on Apr 14, 2011 12:39:47 GMT -5
Not surprising to see who is excusing this kind of abuse, blaming the victims and gays. And it's sickening....
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Apr 14, 2011 12:57:00 GMT -5
Did I miss something. I didn't see the letter that the Pope wrote to the Catholics of the US, or even to all Catholics worldwide apologizing.
I guess he doesn't feel the need to apologize for what is happening here.
Seems like he is just saying the same thing over and over (or you are just posting the same thing over and over again).
fyi, your quotes make it difficult to tell which part you are quoting and which part is your statement.
Should we assume that is intentional?
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 14, 2011 12:59:32 GMT -5
Did I miss something. I didn't see the letter that the Pope wrote to the Catholics of the US, or even to all Catholics worldwide apologizing. I guess he doesn't feel the need to apologize for what is happening here. Seems like he is just saying the same thing over and over (or you are just posting the same thing over and over again). fyi, your quotes make it difficult to tell which part you are quoting and which part is your statement. Should we assume that is intentional?
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Apr 14, 2011 13:24:11 GMT -5
"The nation’s largest Catholic archdiocese will settle its clergy sex abuse cases for at least $600 million, by far the largest payout in the church’s sexual abuse scandal" ... "It wasn’t immediately clear how the payout would be split among the insurers, the archdiocese and several Roman Catholic religious orders." www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19762878/ns/us_news-life/I wonder how much the church had in its coffers. You know, money that could have been used for the sick and poor, you know, those people Conservatives hate to see any money go for.
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Post by steff on Apr 14, 2011 13:33:35 GMT -5
"The nation’s largest Catholic archdiocese will settle its clergy sex abuse cases for at least $600 million, by far the largest payout in the church’s sexual abuse scandal" ... "It wasn’t immediately clear how the payout would be split among the insurers, the archdiocese and several Roman Catholic religious orders." www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19762878/ns/us_news-life/I wonder how much the church had in its coffers. You know, money that could have been used for the sick and poor, you know, those people Conservatives hate to see any money go for. because I can and they 'stick' hehehehehehe
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