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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 8, 2021 17:16:00 GMT -5
A friend of mine posted this Twitter thread. This kind of makes this whole insurrection a lot more sinister had more competent people been involved.
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Post by Tiny on Jan 8, 2021 17:26:33 GMT -5
meh.
I'm wondering more about what they took out/took in of the Capitol (computers? phones? tablets?) and physical documents.
I do NOT envy the IT people involved in the aftermath - i'm guessing they are doing a complete visual/hands on inventory of EVERY device. And hopefully, they actually HAVE an inventory of all devices (I imagine they would). (no self reporting by employers that a device is still there).
I'm guessing they will be "rebuilding" all the computers/phones since who knows what got loaded on one or more of them.
Who knows what got intentionally left behind.
I've always felt that trump was more of a tool/puppet than anything else. I'm feeling the same way about his loser supporters. Nothing more than tools/puppets.
I feel bad for anyone who left their personal stuff (phone, wallet, laptop, etc) in their office.
Since security is so very lax at the Capitol - I'm assuming there were plenty of unlocked (no password needed) devices or sticky notes with passwords prominently displays (cause passwords are so inconvenient).
In the not so distant past - my super locked tight office had an intruder steal a bunch of cell phones/devices off desk tops, took company laptops, took wallets (from coats, purses) all within 20 minutes of being on the floor. It's a floor with 130 people working in offices and cubes.
The IT and general security people at the Capitol are NOT happy...
ADDED: That theft changed a lot of things at the office. There were constant reminders about locking devices, not letting people on to the floor, etc. It didn't let up. People get talked to if they don't "lock" their computer before leaving their desk if it's found not locked. Same with leashing laptops. Don't even think of writing down a password. 4 times a year we get the talk about security in the office, on the road, and at home (devices, paper, applications like email). I do not work for the government.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 8, 2021 17:33:46 GMT -5
meh. I'm wondering more about what they took out of the Capitol (computers? phones? tablets?) and physical documents. I do NOT envy the IT people involved in the aftermath - i'm guessing they are doing a complete visual inventory of EVERY device. And hopefully, they actually HAVE an inventory of all devices (I imagine they would). I'm guessing they will be "rebuilding" all the computers/phones since who knows what got loaded on one or more of them. Who knows what got intentionally left behind. I've always felt that trump was more of a tool/puppet than anything else. I'm feeling the same way about his loser supporters. Nothing more than tools/puppets. I feel bad for anyone who left their personal stuff (phone, wallet, laptop, etc) in their office. Here's MY personal concern. Last year, I contacted my local Senator in order to handle a mess that occurred between my Medicare and my health insurance. For them to 'fix' things (which my Senator did - after 8 months of us trying to do so in about a month), they needed a bunch of my personal information. SS#, Medicare number, Health insurance numbers and a bunch of other things that could cause a mess if they fell into the wrong hands. I had to file paperwork for all of this, including signing forms. I imagine that anyone who enlists their representative in Congress' help for a problem has to file likewise. No multiply this by thousands of people who have services like this done by our representatives. So while most people don't have anything to worry about, I now need to lock things down in order to assure that my information is not out there. At this point, as this happened last year and it's all been resolved, I'm hoping that everything got shredded.
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Post by tbop77 on Jan 8, 2021 17:34:26 GMT -5
I am so tired of seeing post on FB from conservatives I know stating Antifa caused all the problems. So: Topline FBI Assistant Director Steven D’Antuono said Friday there is no evidence that antifa activists were involved in the violent riots in and around the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, debunking the baseless conspiracy theory propagated by several prominent Republican lawmakers and right-wing pundits that anti-fascist leftists—not a pro-Trump mob—were responsible for death and destruction at the Capitol. www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/08/fbi-no-evidence-antifa-involved-in-capitol-chaos/Of course the FBI is part of the deep state that wants Trump out, I guess.
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Post by deminmaine on Jan 9, 2021 14:29:15 GMT -5
There is a LOT more to come out on this. This was, I believe, a semi-organized coup attempt- started right at the top. Trump, his older sons, Guiliani, probably Flynn, who knows how many others, orchestrated it, right wing social media broadcast it, as pointed out here key people in the mob were prepped for it, and then, of course, the mob of deplorables.
What is perhaps even more sinister is possible law enforcement and DOD compromise. The Law Enforcement response made no sense, and even security pros from overseas could see it was most suspiciously compromised. Some noise has been made about peripheral DOD involvement, which I really hope is false, but the 10 former Sec Defs saw the threat and addressed it in their joint communique. This will be one hell of a story when it is fully written.
Trump wanted immortality, and I think he got it. Forget James Buchanan, he is right there with or above Benedict Arnold.
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Post by Opti on Jan 9, 2021 14:40:10 GMT -5
There is a LOT more to come out on this. This was, I believe, a semi-organized coup attempt- started right at the top. Trump, his older sons, Guiliani, probably Flynn, who knows how many others, orchestrated it, right wing social media broadcast it, as pointed out here key people in the mob were prepped for it, and then, of course, the mob of deplorables. What is perhaps even more sinister is possible law enforcement and DOD compromise. The Law Enforcement response made no sense, and even security pros from overseas could see it was most suspiciously compromised. Some noise has been made about peripheral DOD involvement, which I really hope is false, but the 10 former Sec Defs saw the threat and addressed it in their joint communique. This will be one hell of a story when it is fully written. Trump wanted immortality, and I think he got it. Forget James Buchanan, he is right there with or above Benedict Arnold. I agree I think there is some people who helped and the law enforcement response was puzzling. If the head of the CP agreed with this, he and others should be sued by the family of the cop who was murdered. I am afraid this isn't over and the anti-American Trump worshippers have more planned. Too much of the GOP seems to not care that this has happened and Trump was responsible for unleashing them and pointing them at the Capitol, the law-makers and Pence.
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Post by dondub on Jan 9, 2021 14:44:23 GMT -5
There is a LOT more to come out on this. This was, I believe, a semi-organized coup attempt- started right at the top. Trump, his older sons, Guiliani, probably Flynn, who knows how many others, orchestrated it, right wing social media broadcast it, as pointed out here key people in the mob were prepped for it, and then, of course, the mob of deplorables. What is perhaps even more sinister is possible law enforcement and DOD compromise. The Law Enforcement response made no sense, and even security pros from overseas could see it was most suspiciously compromised. Some noise has been made about peripheral DOD involvement, which I really hope is false, but the 10 former Sec Defs saw the threat and addressed it in their joint communique. This will be one hell of a story when it is fully written. Trump wanted immortality, and I think he got it. Forget James Buchanan, he is right there with or above Benedict Arnold. I have heard repeatedly that the DoD refused to follow through on the DC mayor’s request to get out the National Guard. We all know who DoD’s boss is. I think Trump ordered them to stand down. Eventually Pence called them out but there was a 90 minute delay. Trump then took credit for it. In the meantime the Trumpies were all gathered somewhere in a shelter (Guilfoyle weirdly dancing) watching the developments like a Civil War general up on a hill. Doing nothing. Was Trump hoping for more so he could declare martial law and cancel the election? It all seems quite mysterious at this point.
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Post by deminmaine on Jan 9, 2021 14:52:46 GMT -5
There is a LOT more to come out on this. This was, I believe, a semi-organized coup attempt- started right at the top. Trump, his older sons, Guiliani, probably Flynn, who knows how many others, orchestrated it, right wing social media broadcast it, as pointed out here key people in the mob were prepped for it, and then, of course, the mob of deplorables. What is perhaps even more sinister is possible law enforcement and DOD compromise. The Law Enforcement response made no sense, and even security pros from overseas could see it was most suspiciously compromised. Some noise has been made about peripheral DOD involvement, which I really hope is false, but the 10 former Sec Defs saw the threat and addressed it in their joint communique. This will be one hell of a story when it is fully written. Trump wanted immortality, and I think he got it. Forget James Buchanan, he is right there with or above Benedict Arnold. I have heard repeatedly that the DoD refused to follow through on the DC mayor’s request to get out the National Guard. We all know who DoD’s boss is. I think Trump ordered them to stand down. Eventually Pence called them out but there was a 90 minute delay. Trump then took credit for it. In the meantime the Trumpies were all gathered somewhere in a shelter (Guilfoyle weirdly dancing) watching the developments like a Civil War general up on a hill. Doing nothing. Was Trump hoping for more so he could declare martial law and cancel the election? It all seems quite mysterious at this point. Yes, trump was hoping for a successful coup. The mob would disable the Capitol and maybe even capture a few hostages. Meanwhile the security/ military forces that trump hoped he could muster (wrong, thankfully) would re-establish order to allow "his" Congress-people to white wash his putsch. Had the military stepped up it would have been so terrifyingly possible. Or something akin to that anyway. Whatever the exact details, this is what trump hoped for on January 6. Not clear yet how many GOP Congress people were involved, but it seems that Meadows was.
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Post by dondub on Jan 9, 2021 15:08:46 GMT -5
I have heard repeatedly that the DoD refused to follow through on the DC mayor’s request to get out the National Guard. We all know who DoD’s boss is. I think Trump ordered them to stand down. Eventually Pence called them out but there was a 90 minute delay. Trump then took credit for it. In the meantime the Trumpies were all gathered somewhere in a shelter (Guilfoyle weirdly dancing) watching the developments like a Civil War general up on a hill. Doing nothing. Was Trump hoping for more so he could declare martial law and cancel the election? It all seems quite mysterious at this point. Yes, trump was hoping for a successful coup. The mob would disable the Capitol and maybe even capture a few hostages. Meanwhile the security/ military forces that trump hoped he could muster (wrong, thankfully) would re-establish order to allow "his" Congress-people to white wash his putsch. Had the military stepped up it would have been so terrifyingly possible. Or something akin to that anyway. Whatever the exact details, this is what trump hoped for on January 6. Not clear yet how many GOP Congress people were involved, but it seems that Meadows was. Mo Brooks R Ala.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 9, 2021 16:05:25 GMT -5
Coincidence or organized and planned by Trump? Pentagon placed limits on D.C. Guard ahead of pro-Trump protests due to narrow mission The Pentagon placed tight limits on the D.C. National Guard ahead of pro-Trump protests this week, trying to ensure the use of military force remained constrained, as the Guard carried out a narrow, unarmed mission requested by the city’s mayor to help handle traffic ahead of planned protests. In memos issued Monday and Tuesday in response to a request from the D.C. mayor, the Pentagon prohibited the District’s guardsmen from receiving ammunition or riot gear, interacting with protesters unless necessary for self-defense, sharing equipment with local law enforcement, or using Guard surveillance and air assets without the defense secretary’s explicit sign-off, according to officials familiar with the orders. The limits were established because the Guard hadn’t been asked to assist with crowd or riot control. www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-protests-washington-guard-military/2021/01/07/c5299b56-510e-11eb-b2e8-3339e73d9da2_story.html
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 9, 2021 18:23:14 GMT -5
Coincidence or organized and planned by Trump? Pentagon placed limits on D.C. Guard ahead of pro-Trump protests due to narrow mission The Pentagon placed tight limits on the D.C. National Guard ahead of pro-Trump protests this week, trying to ensure the use of military force remained constrained, as the Guard carried out a narrow, unarmed mission requested by the city’s mayor to help handle traffic ahead of planned protests. In memos issued Monday and Tuesday in response to a request from the D.C. mayor, the Pentagon prohibited the District’s guardsmen from receiving ammunition or riot gear, interacting with protesters unless necessary for self-defense, sharing equipment with local law enforcement, or using Guard surveillance and air assets without the defense secretary’s explicit sign-off, according to officials familiar with the orders. The limits were established because the Guard hadn’t been asked to assist with crowd or riot control. www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-protests-washington-guard-military/2021/01/07/c5299b56-510e-11eb-b2e8-3339e73d9da2_story.htmlI saw another article where Trump considered having the national guard on site to protect the MAGA minions from the hordes of anti Trump protesters Trump thought might be there - but ended up deciding to just tell the national guard to just not be there at all. The hearings on this will be interesting.
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Post by Opti on Jan 9, 2021 19:32:54 GMT -5
It is an amazing piece of delusional fan fiction. Where did you find it?
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Post by Opti on Jan 9, 2021 19:41:47 GMT -5
So they are colluding in lying to their supporters and asking them to remain ignorant so they can pump them with more lies? Is there some magical thing going on in this guy's head which allows satellites to talk to things indoors, let alone single out voting machines? I'm guessing this one has no clue what cloud computing really means.
To the very weird commenter, God is being God. Apparently you all are colluding with Satan for all you are worth. And it doesn't look like you and your voices will be quiet after midnight.
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Post by oped on Jan 9, 2021 19:49:11 GMT -5
It would be hilarious if it wasn’t downright terrifying.
The link was circulating on Twitter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 20:19:43 GMT -5
I have read in several places that there were threats concerning Pence. The most common one was death by firing squad. I’ve not been a fan of Pence, but I don’t want him killed.
I’ve seen screenshots on FB where there is supposed to be a “Million Militia March” in DC on the 20th, to stop Biden from entering the White House. I screenshot that screenshot myself, but don’t know how to post it here.
I’ve also seen other screenshots of what’s being said on Parlor or whatever it’s called. I remember one where they said this time they won’t be nice, and it’s not even about Trump anymore, it’s war.
I know some people talk just to be talking and won’t actually do shit, but I think it would serve us well to believe that some of these nuts are serious. I don’t believe it’s over.
What happened on the 6th, I absolutely believe the thugs had help from people that should NOT have been helping them and some people in charge allowed it to happen instead of doing what was right and doing their damn jobs.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 9, 2021 20:32:02 GMT -5
It would be hilarious if it wasn’t downright terrifying. The link was circulating on Twitter. Oped or anyone else: who exactly is the 'chairman', the author of the letter?
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Post by oped on Jan 9, 2021 20:37:59 GMT -5
Republican committee chairman for nye county Nevada
Yes there is video of the crowd saying find pence and chanting inside the capital about hanging Pence as well.
I’ve been doom scrolling for way too long. Took an Ativan. I’ll check in tomorrow.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 9, 2021 21:07:48 GMT -5
If anyone cannot connect to the link OPED provided in reply #11, let me know. I copied the contents of the letter into an email I sent to myself. I will copy the contents of the letter and PM you it.
My PM will not have the page logo or anything like that. Just the letter itself.
Right. Now if you click on the link in reply #11 you get the following message: Error establishing a database connection
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Post by lurkyloo on Jan 9, 2021 22:18:48 GMT -5
Rep Clyburn and others have been calling for an investigation into how the mob was able to easily navigate their very complicated building-for example, they left his formally labeled office alone and zeroed in on the one where he actually works. Apparently the fscking capitol police showed them where Pelosi’s office was. This smells really, really bad.
Too lazy to link but I think the article was on cnn.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 9, 2021 23:07:28 GMT -5
Coincidence or organized and planned by Trump? Pentagon placed limits on D.C. Guard ahead of pro-Trump protests due to narrow mission The Pentagon placed tight limits on the D.C. National Guard ahead of pro-Trump protests this week, trying to ensure the use of military force remained constrained, as the Guard carried out a narrow, unarmed mission requested by the city’s mayor to help handle traffic ahead of planned protests. In memos issued Monday and Tuesday in response to a request from the D.C. mayor, the Pentagon prohibited the District’s guardsmen from receiving ammunition or riot gear, interacting with protesters unless necessary for self-defense, sharing equipment with local law enforcement, or using Guard surveillance and air assets without the defense secretary’s explicit sign-off, according to officials familiar with the orders. The limits were established because the Guard hadn’t been asked to assist with crowd or riot control. www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-protests-washington-guard-military/2021/01/07/c5299b56-510e-11eb-b2e8-3339e73d9da2_story.htmlThis is really getting worse and worse. Nixon is an angel in comparison.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 9, 2021 23:11:51 GMT -5
Rep Clyburn and others have been calling for an investigation into how the mob was able to easily navigate their very complicated building-for example, they left his formally labeled office alone and zeroed in on the one where he actually works. Apparently the fscking capitol police showed them where Pelosi’s office was. This smells really, really bad. Too lazy to link but I think the article was on cnn. Wow, biden can't get in there fast enought for me...All of us I am sure! 11 days.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 10, 2021 1:06:19 GMT -5
Rep Clyburn and others have been calling for an investigation into how the mob was able to easily navigate their very complicated building-for example, they left his formally labeled office alone and zeroed in on the one where he actually works. Apparently the fscking capitol police showed them where Pelosi’s office was. This smells really, really bad. Too lazy to link but I think the article was on cnn. Wow, biden can't get in there fast enought for me...All of us I am sure! 11 days.So, only one Scaramucci to go.
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Post by deminmaine on Jan 10, 2021 7:39:37 GMT -5
This is just absolutely stunning.
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Post by Opti on Jan 10, 2021 7:42:01 GMT -5
Wow, biden can't get in there fast enought for me...All of us I am sure! 11 days.So, only one Scaramucci to go. You saw his tweet too?
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Post by Opti on Jan 10, 2021 7:43:56 GMT -5
Disappointed, but not surprised. This is how DT rolls. Pandemic response team and the nuke one as well. We've been very lucky on the latter.
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Post by tbop77 on Jan 10, 2021 8:06:47 GMT -5
It would be hilarious if it wasn’t downright terrifying. The link was circulating on Twitter. I saw that in a comment section of a post on FB about Twitter silencing the President. I agree with you, it is terrifying. He has convinced many low information voters, some that are completely nuts, that the election was stolen. This is not over, they really do think they are patriots.
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Post by oped on Jan 10, 2021 8:18:25 GMT -5
Add the changes at the pentagon and their delay and initial narrow assignments to national guard and the fact that there were breaches to inner offices and messages circulating pre attack about tunnels etc and it really looks like there was inside help. We came so close to a massacre. The images from video are just horrifying. We have a problem that must be addressed and excised.
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