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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 22, 2020 14:01:09 GMT -5
It's the same thing with vaccines. We are victims of our own success in that regard because the majority of us that are now parents of young children have never encountered a lot of these diseases. We now attribute our good health to being good moral upstanding (and usually rich & white too) people instead of science. We think these illnesses aren't that bad because even if we do encounter them we still benefit from everyone else around us being vaccinated and keeping its virulence in check..
My grandma said she would have walked over hot coals to get my father the polio vaccine. It took six nurses to hold him down but she was going to make sure she got it. She said people my age should count ourselves damn lucky we're spoiled and privileged enough to question vaccines.
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 22, 2020 14:19:15 GMT -5
I think this is why DH's family is acting the way they are. We don't know anyone who has it. Half the cases in our county were in the nursing homes. And they think that mystery illnesses some family members had in January were COVID so we should be immune.
A questioning mind isn't a bad thing. But you need to know how to vet information and question it. Just because it's on Facebook doesn't make it true.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 22, 2020 14:46:03 GMT -5
TD and I were discussing this the other night. The only reason why so many people are relatively untouched by this disease is because all of the restrictions that they put upon us early (but not early enough) are working. In other words, our success has become a failure. OTOH, had we done nothing and had hundreds of thousands die, they'd be railing 'why didn't anyone do anything?' It really is a no win situation. A while back I saw comparisons made to Y2K. Several commenters thought Y2K was a joke, a nothingburger, because nothing happened. All the coders jumped in to say "That was the plan! You're welcome! We worked crazy hours precisely so nothing terrible would happen."
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 22, 2020 15:15:40 GMT -5
I think this is why DH's family is acting the way they are. We don't know anyone who has it. Half the cases in our county were in the nursing homes. And they think that mystery illnesses some family members had in January were COVID so we should be immune. A questioning mind isn't a bad thing. But you need to know how to vet information and question it. Just because it's on Facebook doesn't make it true. There's questioning and then there is questioning. I educate myself on climate change. However I do not stand there and argue with an expert that my interpretation and "opinion" on his data is just as valid as his umpteen degrees and years examining the topic. THAT is the problem right now in society. No your opinion is "not just as valid" as my decades of expertise in a subject. It is a freaking opinion. Yes it's great you found a blog that supports your claims but that is STILL an opinion. Oh you found an article. . okay what journal is it in? Who funded it? Who is the author? What was the conclusion in the paper? I went off on someone who used a paper that had an 8 person study showing the "ill effects" of formula vs breastfeeding to support all these really exaggerated claims like it causes diabetes, heart disease and a bunch of other things the article did not even get into. The authors even said that small sample size that was likely the contributing factor and those "statistically significant" differences would disappear in a larger study. NONE of this was covered in the woman's blog. I told her next time you want to use a paper to back up your bull shit make sure there is nobody in your audience that can understand the paper. The come back in the comments section was "well that is her opinion and it's just as valid as yours". It says right in the freaking paper SHE cited that she's wrong! This blogger has a medical degree she should know better. Pretty sure if I went into her office and told her that my opinion is tea tree oil will cure my cancer she would have some not so kind things to say.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 22, 2020 16:08:17 GMT -5
I get for some people like my great uncle who is 85 and does not have a computer that the church is his community. How about these people who think their religious rights are being trampled on because they can't be in church do something for people like my great uncle so they can connect to their community without being exposed? I know there are a lot who are but aren't getting the same attention. I was reading about a priest that is doing drive by confession for congregation. He sits in a chair six feet away from the parking spot with a blindfold on. If you are truly invested in spreading the word and protecting your flock you'd figure out how to make it work without the building. www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/18/detroit-priest-uses-squirt-gun-full-holy-water-viral-photos/5211435002/This ALMOST makes me want to go to church. Same idea but a baptism.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 22, 2020 16:14:33 GMT -5
I think this is why DH's family is acting the way they are. We don't know anyone who has it. Half the cases in our county were in the nursing homes. And they think that mystery illnesses some family members had in January were COVID so we should be immune. A questioning mind isn't a bad thing. But you need to know how to vet information and question it. Just because it's on Facebook doesn't make it true. Same where I live. The zip code had a whopping 98 cases and zero deaths. Counter that with a city about 35 minutes from me where the majority of the cases are. This is a city that is 60% Hispanic with a fairly high count of illegals (per the paper, before I get called out for making up numbers and hating brown people). That city is nothing like where I live. Multi-generational living means a lot of very cramped living quarters. And again, according to the local paper they were not taking the sheltering in place seriously (their mayor had to institute a curfew). The other hardest hit were the nursing homes. It out idiot governor forced the nursing homes to take covid positive patients, essentially signing the death warrant of a lot of old people Since I fall into neither of those categories, it is easy to think it happens to “them”. I’m not as petrified as I was a few weeks ago but I’m still very cautious. We are moving to the next phase next Friday but I don’t plan on changing much. I want to see what happens to my area and go from there.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 22, 2020 16:16:32 GMT -5
I think this is why DH's family is acting the way they are. We don't know anyone who has it. Half the cases in our county were in the nursing homes. And they think that mystery illnesses some family members had in January were COVID so we should be immune. A questioning mind isn't a bad thing. But you need to know how to vet information and question it. Just because it's on Facebook doesn't make it true. There's questioning and then there is questioning. I educate myself on climate change. However I do not stand there and argue with an expert that my interpretation and "opinion" on his data is just as valid as his umpteen degrees and years examining the topic. THAT is the problem right now in society. No your opinion is "not just as valid" as my decades of expertise in a subject. It is a freaking opinion. Yes it's great you found a blog that supports your claims but that is STILL an opinion. Oh you found an article. . okay what journal is it in? Who funded it? Who is the author? What was the conclusion in the paper? I went off on someone who used a paper that had an 8 person study showing the "ill effects" of formula vs breastfeeding to support all these really exaggerated claims like it causes diabetes, heart disease and a bunch of other things the article did not even get into. The authors even said that small sample size that was likely the contributing factor and those "statistically significant" differences would disappear in a larger study. NONE of this was covered in the woman's blog. I told her next time you want to use a paper to back up your bull shit make sure there is nobody in your audience that can understand the paper. The come back in the comments section was "well that is her opinion and it's just as valid as yours". It says right in the freaking paper SHE cited that she's wrong! This blogger has a medical degree she should know better. Pretty sure if I went into her office and told her that my opinion is tea tree oil will cure my cancer she would have some not so kind things to say. It doesn’t help when you have experts that contradict each other. People tend to latch on to the expert that aligns with their beliefs I see that on both sides of the aisle.
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Post by happyhoix on May 22, 2020 16:22:27 GMT -5
I get for some people like my great uncle who is 85 and does not have a computer that the church is his community. How about these people who think their religious rights are being trampled on because they can't be in church do something for people like my great uncle so they can connect to their community without being exposed? I know there are a lot who are but aren't getting the same attention. I was reading about a priest that is doing drive by confession for congregation. He sits in a chair six feet away from the parking spot with a blindfold on. If you are truly invested in spreading the word and protecting your flock you'd figure out how to make it work without the building. Weren't church services on TV once upon a time? Are they still? I try to avoid those channels, but I can still remember Sunday morning services on TV. My church has an online service. The organist and minister show up, the rest of us can watch from Facebook. Since we have a lot of elderly, I hope we continue this way for a while. I've been sending money for the church plus for the food pantry the church supports, we were already a poor county before all this started. No way I'll go to services for a while. I don't want to be responsible for infecting any of our elderly members, and I surely don't want to be around any of the kids, who are germ factories even in normal times.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 22, 2020 16:23:06 GMT -5
There's questioning and then there is questioning. I educate myself on climate change. However I do not stand there and argue with an expert that my interpretation and "opinion" on his data is just as valid as his umpteen degrees and years examining the topic. THAT is the problem right now in society. No your opinion is "not just as valid" as my decades of expertise in a subject. It is a freaking opinion. Yes it's great you found a blog that supports your claims but that is STILL an opinion. Oh you found an article. . okay what journal is it in? Who funded it? Who is the author? What was the conclusion in the paper? I went off on someone who used a paper that had an 8 person study showing the "ill effects" of formula vs breastfeeding to support all these really exaggerated claims like it causes diabetes, heart disease and a bunch of other things the article did not even get into. The authors even said that small sample size that was likely the contributing factor and those "statistically significant" differences would disappear in a larger study. NONE of this was covered in the woman's blog. I told her next time you want to use a paper to back up your bull shit make sure there is nobody in your audience that can understand the paper. The come back in the comments section was "well that is her opinion and it's just as valid as yours". It says right in the freaking paper SHE cited that she's wrong! This blogger has a medical degree she should know better. Pretty sure if I went into her office and told her that my opinion is tea tree oil will cure my cancer she would have some not so kind things to say. It doesn’t help when you have experts that contradict each other. People tend to latch on to the expert that aligns with their beliefs I see that on both sides of the aisle. that is why I rely on "expert consensus".
it is rare that the vast majority of experts disagree.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 22, 2020 17:17:59 GMT -5
I think this is why DH's family is acting the way they are. We don't know anyone who has it. Half the cases in our county were in the nursing homes. And they think that mystery illnesses some family members had in January were COVID so we should be immune. A questioning mind isn't a bad thing. But you need to know how to vet information and question it. Just because it's on Facebook doesn't make it true. There's questioning and then there is questioning. I educate myself on climate change. However I do not stand there and argue with an expert that my interpretation and "opinion" on his data is just as valid as his umpteen degrees and years examining the topic. THAT is the problem right now in society. No your opinion is "not just as valid" as my decades of expertise in a subject. It is a freaking opinion. Yes it's great you found a blog that supports your claims but that is STILL an opinion. Oh you found an article. . okay what journal is it in? Who funded it? Who is the author? What was the conclusion in the paper? I went off on someone who used a paper that had an 8 person study showing the "ill effects" of formula vs breastfeeding to support all these really exaggerated claims like it causes diabetes, heart disease and a bunch of other things the article did not even get into. The authors even said that small sample size that was likely the contributing factor and those "statistically significant" differences would disappear in a larger study. NONE of this was covered in the woman's blog. I told her next time you want to use a paper to back up your bull shit make sure there is nobody in your audience that can understand the paper. The come back in the comments section was "well that is her opinion and it's just as valid as yours". It says right in the freaking paper SHE cited that she's wrong! This blogger has a medical degree she should know better. Pretty sure if I went into her office and told her that my opinion is tea tree oil will cure my cancer she would have some not so kind things to say. This is like when people come in and say to me, my neighbor, sister, mother, etc say I need this medication. My answer is always, Where did they go to medical school?
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 22, 2020 17:20:53 GMT -5
It doesn’t help when you have experts that contradict each other. People tend to latch on to the expert that aligns with their beliefs I see that on both sides of the aisle. that is why I rely on "expert consensus".
it is rare that the vast majority of experts disagree.
The other thing is “expert” is in the eye of the beholder. It is easy to cite research. A good rue expert should be able to explain what they cite. Many people who claim to be experts actually do not have a degree in a relevant subject. Finally, consensus opinion is important. Can still be wrong, but is the best we can do
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Post by bookkeeper on May 22, 2020 17:22:25 GMT -5
There's questioning and then there is questioning. I educate myself on climate change. However I do not stand there and argue with an expert that my interpretation and "opinion" on his data is just as valid as his umpteen degrees and years examining the topic. THAT is the problem right now in society. No your opinion is "not just as valid" as my decades of expertise in a subject. It is a freaking opinion. Yes it's great you found a blog that supports your claims but that is STILL an opinion. Oh you found an article. . okay what journal is it in? Who funded it? Who is the author? What was the conclusion in the paper? I went off on someone who used a paper that had an 8 person study showing the "ill effects" of formula vs breastfeeding to support all these really exaggerated claims like it causes diabetes, heart disease and a bunch of other things the article did not even get into. The authors even said that small sample size that was likely the contributing factor and those "statistically significant" differences would disappear in a larger study. NONE of this was covered in the woman's blog. I told her next time you want to use a paper to back up your bull shit make sure there is nobody in your audience that can understand the paper. The come back in the comments section was "well that is her opinion and it's just as valid as yours". It says right in the freaking paper SHE cited that she's wrong! This blogger has a medical degree she should know better. Pretty sure if I went into her office and told her that my opinion is tea tree oil will cure my cancer she would have some not so kind things to say. This is like when people come in and say to me, my neighbor, sister, mother, etc say I need this medication. My answer is always, Where did they go to medical school? The university of Google, of course!
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Post by NastyWoman on May 22, 2020 18:35:15 GMT -5
What kills me is NOBODY is saying you can't practice your religion! You just can't be in the dang building. If God is everywhere then why the heck does it matter if you are in the actual building or not? I truly do not understand this. With the every evolving technology there is absolutely no reason you can't reach your congregation. And even if you cannot there is no reason why they should not be able to pray/worship in their own homes without you. Connection to God should not have to rely on being in a physical building in large groups. I think DH hit on the head that it's really about money. They aren't getting as much in tithes as they would usually so they need people back in the building so they can collect. I don't get this either. Why is it so important to be surrounded with possible vectors in order to worship? Undoubtedly, it IS all about the money. I suspect it is not just the money though. For some it is important to be SEEN as a devout person. They need to sit in the front pew and talk about how important they consider the tenets of their religion. How else would anyone know how "good" they are. Yet when push comes to shove and they are supposed to step up to help all people in need: if the person needing help does not quite fit their definition of deserving support ((has the right religion/ethinicy/family composition) forget it. Not happening!
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Post by chiver78 on May 22, 2020 19:07:06 GMT -5
I don't get this either. Why is it so important to be surrounded with possible vectors in order to worship? Undoubtedly, it IS all about the money. I suspect it is not just the money though. For some it is important to be SEEN as a devout person. They need to sit in the front pew and talk about how important they consider the tenets of their religion. How else would anyone know how "good" they are. Yet when push comes to shove and they are supposed to step up to help all people in need: if the person needing help does not quite fit their definition of deserving support ((has the right religion/ethinicy/family composition) forget it. Not happening! there's a name for that in the Church in which I was raised - "front pew Catholics" 🙄
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 22, 2020 19:10:19 GMT -5
I suspect it is not just the money though. For some it is important to be SEEN as a devout person. They need to sit in the front pew and talk about how important they consider the tenets of their religion. How else would anyone know how "good" they are. Yet when push comes to shove and they are supposed to step up to help all people in need: if the person needing help does not quite fit their definition of deserving support ((has the right religion/ethinicy/family composition) forget it. Not happening! there's a name for that in the Church in which I was raised - "front pew Catholics" 🙄 They were also the "Sunday" catholics. It was important to be seen as religious, so you make sure it is quite visible, while you do whatever you want the rest of the weeks. Hated those hypocrites.
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Post by dondub on May 22, 2020 19:20:41 GMT -5
there's a name for that in the Church in which I was raised - "front pew Catholics" 🙄 They were also the "Sunday" catholics. It was important to be seen as religious, so you make sure it is quite visible, while you do whatever you want the rest of the weeks. Hated those hypocrites. For my first 8 years of Catholic school we had to sit with our classmates in pew rows 1-8 depending on grade level. This way the nuns could monitor attendance. If you were not there, you needed a note Monday saying what Mass you went to at what church signed by a parent. In the meantime the church was turning a blind eye to hundreds of thousands of child rapes worldwide. What a nice bunch of people.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 22, 2020 19:22:23 GMT -5
They were also the "Sunday" catholics. It was important to be seen as religious, so you make sure it is quite visible, while you do whatever you want the rest of the weeks. Hated those hypocrites. For my first 8 years of Catholic school we had to sit with our classmates in pew rows 1-8 depending on grade level. This way the nuns could monitor attendance. If you were not there, you needed a note Monday saying what Mass you went to at what church signed by a parent. In the meantime the church was turning a blind eye to hundreds of thousands of child raped worldwide. What a nice bunch of people. Lots of blame to go around on that one. But, I think I have everyone on the board beat-17 years of Catholic education. Was saved by the fact that the last 4 were with the Jesuits
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Post by dondub on May 22, 2020 19:31:00 GMT -5
For my first 8 years of Catholic school we had to sit with our classmates in pew rows 1-8 depending on grade level. This way the nuns could monitor attendance. If you were not there, you needed a note Monday saying what Mass you went to at what church signed by a parent. In the meantime the church was turning a blind eye to hundreds of thousands of child raped worldwide. What a nice bunch of people. Lots of blame to go around on that one. But, I think I have everyone on the board beat-17 years of Catholic education. Was saved by the fact that the last 4 were with the Jesuits l I did the Jesuit prep all boy HS to get to 12 and steadfastly refused to even apply to The Jesuit Seattle U. For 4 more. Mom was quite disturbed about that but this is also the woman that damned me to Hell for not accepting Jesus Christ as My Lord And Personal Savior. At age 33! Weird bunch those papists.
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Post by cronewitch on May 22, 2020 20:16:13 GMT -5
TD and I were discussing this the other night. The only reason why so many people are relatively untouched by this disease is because all of the restrictions that they put upon us early (but not early enough) are working. In other words, our success has become a failure. OTOH, had we done nothing and had hundreds of thousands die, they'd be railing 'why didn't anyone do anything?' It really is a no win situation. A while back I saw comparisons made to Y2K. Several commenters thought Y2K was a joke, a nothingburger, because nothing happened. All the coders jumped in to say "That was the plan! You're welcome! We worked crazy hours precisely so nothing terrible would happen." I worked 7 days a week for 6 years to prevent issues with y2K. Our software had 4 digit years but only 2 showed. So we had to upgrade all clients some many versions to get them ready. Y2K was a hoax nothing happened to most clients only those who didn't pay so we didn't support them couldn't continue working. I want this to turn out the same, all over reaction, nobody I know died or was even sick so wore mask for no reason, hoax to rid us of Trump.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 22, 2020 20:55:41 GMT -5
there's a name for that in the Church in which I was raised - "front pew Catholics" 🙄 They were also the "Sunday" catholics. It was important to be seen as religious, so you make sure it is quite visible, while you do whatever you want the rest of the weeks. Hated those hypocrites. Since I was raised Catholic as well (though not by hypocrites) I would like to add another group: they would be late to mass, stand in the back, go get communion and then walk straight out of church. Across the road to the bar where they would hang out and drink beer for a couple of hours. Going only home when it was time for a late lunch or early dinner. I can still see them in my mind even though as a child I thought it was odd that my father never ever went to a bar. BTW, just to be sure everyone understands -> this is in no way limited or even more prevalent in any one religion IMO
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Post by Tennesseer on May 22, 2020 21:31:29 GMT -5
They were also the "Sunday" catholics. It was important to be seen as religious, so you make sure it is quite visible, while you do whatever you want the rest of the weeks. Hated those hypocrites. Since I was raised Catholic as well (though not by hypocrites) I would like to add another group: they would be late to mass, stand in the back, go get communion and then walk straight out of church. Across the road to the bar where they would hang out and drink beer for a couple of hours. Going only home when it was time for a late lunch or early dinner. I can still see them in my mind even though as a child I thought it was odd that my father never ever went to a bar. BTW, just to be sure everyone understands -> this is in no way limited or even more prevalent in any one religion IMO That would be my siblings and me. Though we didn't head for the bars but to home. Our home was literally across the street from the church.
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Post by Tiny on May 22, 2020 21:48:39 GMT -5
I get for some people like my great uncle who is 85 and does not have a computer that the church is his community. How about these people who think their religious rights are being trampled on because they can't be in church do something for people like my great uncle so they can connect to their community without being exposed? I know there are a lot who are but aren't getting the same attention. I was reading about a priest that is doing drive by confession for congregation. He sits in a chair six feet away from the parking spot with a blindfold on. If you are truly invested in spreading the word and protecting your flock you'd figure out how to make it work without the building. Weren't church services on TV once upon a time? Are they still? I try to avoid those channels, but I can still remember Sunday morning services on TV. Yes, there are all sorts of Catholic church services on TV and Cable. A friend and her mom watch them. I think there are other denominations services broadcast as well. Many of my local churches (different denominations) started streaming their services on Facebook (or you tube). Are the churches complaining about not being able to hold services so impoverished (they have no one in the congregation who can do video? (wedding video person??) with such impoverished congregations (no smart phones/no internet access) that they too have no way to see a broadcast service? Are these churches so unfortunate that the only time their congregants give money is during a service? And if the congregants aren't going to church they aren't giving money? (what does that say about organized religion...) I can't go to my "theater" shows - but I'm still supporting the organizations I feel strongly about. Are the religious less likely to support their organization if they can't attend weekly services?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 22, 2020 21:54:40 GMT -5
As much bashing as there is being done of Catholics (and I was one), I was particularly heartened to hear the local archdiocese respond to tRumps message today in that THEY would decide when to open their churches, and do it when they could be ensured that their congregation was safe. That the local Catholic Church felt that at this time, it is not.
I was raised Catholic, sent to a Catholic HS and clearly remember the command performances each Sunday. I also walked out of Mass one Sunday when the liturgy got replaced by a speech and film from the local Birthright branch. My siblings were horrified, because I did not walk out of Mass unobtrusively.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 23, 2020 1:59:33 GMT -5
Lots of blame to go around on that one. But, I think I have everyone on the board beat-17 years of Catholic education. Was saved by the fact that the last 4 were with the Jesuits l I did the Jesuit prep all boy HS to get to 12 and steadfastly refused to even apply to The Jesuit Seattle U. For 4 more. Mom was quite disturbed about that but this is also the woman that damned me to Hell for not accepting Jesus Christ as My Lord And Personal Savior. At age 33! Weird bunch those papists. I think you turned out ok, don
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Post by teen persuasion on May 23, 2020 7:30:36 GMT -5
Lots of blame to go around on that one. But, I think I have everyone on the board beat-17 years of Catholic education. Was saved by the fact that the last 4 were with the Jesuits Join the club - DH and I both did 17 years Catholic education, single sex HS (Jesuit for DH), and Jesuit college (where we met). Actually, DH did another few years for his masters, too.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 23, 2020 8:06:47 GMT -5
Lots of blame to go around on that one. But, I think I have everyone on the board beat-17 years of Catholic education. Was saved by the fact that the last 4 were with the Jesuits Join the club - DH and I both did 17 years Catholic education, single sex HS (Jesuit for DH), and Jesuit college (where we met). Actually, DH did another few years for his masters, too. I know one other person who beat me. Went to law school at a catholic institution too
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Post by dondub on May 23, 2020 10:30:02 GMT -5
l I did the Jesuit prep all boy HS to get to 12 and steadfastly refused to even apply to The Jesuit Seattle U. For 4 more. Mom was quite disturbed about that but this is also the woman that damned me to Hell for not accepting Jesus Christ as My Lord And Personal Savior. At age 33! Weird bunch those papists. I think you turned out ok, don I’m still alive so I have that Hell thingy hanging over me.😎
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seriousthistime
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Post by seriousthistime on May 23, 2020 12:23:09 GMT -5
I live near the medical practice of Dr. Bob Sears. My relatives on the opposite coast love the guy and think he's a real crusader. The State of California does not share that opinion.
My relatives also post a lot of "information" about the "truth" regarding vaccines, calling us "sheeple" and imploring us to "do your research!" I once read an article they posted with all sorts of citations to peer-reviewed journal articles for various "facts" in the article. The article had hyperlinks to those articles. For a few of the more outlandish facts I clicked on the hyperlink and found the article said absolutely nothing about what it was cited for, and in some cases it said the opposite. But it was an article with citations to real authority! So people believe it; no need to check the source material.
I also love the experts my relatives find so authoritative. Microbiologists! Quack DOs and MDs! Years of scientific research they've done! They push health and wellness over vaccines! They will gladly share their secrets if you "click here" and buy their overpriced proprietary vitamin/mineral/herbal supplements, and books they've written on the subject.
My relatives' attitudes are that health and wellness are our natural state, and the medical industry only profits if we get sick so they can treat us. That's how they make money, by making us sick.
Sometimes I wonder how we come from the same family.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 23, 2020 12:49:17 GMT -5
I live near the medical practice of Dr. Bob Sears. My relatives on the opposite coast love the guy and think he's a real crusader. The State of California does not share that opinion. My relatives also post a lot of "information" about the "truth" regarding vaccines, calling us "sheeple" and imploring us to "do your research!" I once read an article they posted with all sorts of citations to peer-reviewed journal articles for various "facts" in the article. The article had hyperlinks to those articles. For a few of the more outlandish facts I clicked on the hyperlink and found the article said absolutely nothing about what it was cited for, and in some cases it said the opposite. But it was an article with citations to real authority! So people believe it; no need to check the source material.I also love the experts my relatives find so authoritative. Microbiologists! Quack DOs and MDs! Years of scientific research they've done! They push health and wellness over vaccines! They will gladly share their secrets if you "click here" and buy their overpriced proprietary vitamin/mineral/herbal supplements, and books they've written on the subject. My relatives' attitudes are that health and wellness are our natural state, and the medical industry only profits if we get sick so they can treat us. That's how they make money, by making us sick. Sometimes I wonder how we come from the same family. I ALWAYS go back to the original source and the popular media is also guilty of this as well. Every single cure for cancer, or other breakthrough NEVER says what the news or article claims. LOL about coming from the same family. At this point, I’m trying to figure out how my siblings were raised together and have such disparate values. I think both are going to wind up living in my basement in their retirement.
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weltschmerz
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Post by weltschmerz on May 23, 2020 12:51:19 GMT -5
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