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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 22, 2019 17:06:48 GMT -5
My issue is earlier this year we went on a trip we booked 3-4 months in advance, had our seats selected and assigned at that time. On the flight out we had different seats but we were still together. On the flight back before boarding I realized we weren't the only ones who were moved and separated because families in particular were giving it to the people working the gate. My wife ended up being sat next to a woman who was traveling with the woman I was sitting with so we switched. In briefly talking with them they too had booked months in advance and selected seats that were together. The people working the gate said they had nothing to do with it and it's the airline which I don't doubt. I just don't understand how it gets messed up like that even if it has to do with people who didn't pay for or select seats. It wasn't even a matter of them moving people to accommodate families they had people sitting all over the plane to the point it seems like that took more work rather than just give the people who had assigned seats their seat then assigning the rest. Maybe someone dropped the punch cards and didn't reorder them properly, so when they tried to compile the data, it was a mess. **This joke is for people over 55 years old, and even then, only some will get it. 😜 As someone whose first computer class was in 1978, I do get this!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 22, 2019 17:08:02 GMT -5
I see it as the parents being cheap and expecting others to trade, even though they might have paid a premium to select their seat. When I fly solo, I try to always get an aisle seat. I can't stand being stuck in the middle...and I hate the window because if I have to pee I'm climbing over people. So if someone's darling is in the middle seat, why should I have to move since I paid for my seat? If I got another aisle seat, I'd switch to be nice. Other than that, fuck them. I exchange like for like only. Only once has someone asked me to give up my aisle seat for a center. Nope.
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Post by justme on Nov 22, 2019 20:15:59 GMT -5
They compensate. Not great, but they usually get volunteers to get off and take an additional free flight at a later time. You see, that is just the point: if I book a flight I want to fly to my destination not get some type of "compensation". They have already taken my money and now I think they need to live up to their obligation. But that is just me... 1) Don't buy basic fares. If there's an involuntary bump it will be them. 2) Checkin as soon as it's open - the ones bumped will most likely be the last ones that checked in.
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Post by NastyWoman on Nov 22, 2019 23:11:04 GMT -5
You see, that is just the point: if I book a flight I want to fly to my destination not get some type of "compensation". They have already taken my money and now I think they need to live up to their obligation. But that is just me... 1) Don't buy basic fares. If there's an involuntary bump it will be them. 2) Checkin as soon as it's open - the ones bumped will most likely be the last ones that checked in. That is really beside the point. Once a seat is sold they should not be allowed to sell it again. It is just plain wrong. And no, I have not (yet) ever been bumped.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 23, 2019 7:14:44 GMT -5
I can fly from Upstate NY to Clearwater FL for $60. I can't drive for that. I don't expect luxury service. I expect a seat somewhere in the airplane. Allegiant
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Post by tractor on Nov 23, 2019 7:49:45 GMT -5
I may have told this before, but last year I was flying from Detroit to San Diego, and paid to have a reserved seat. When I got on the plane there was a young couple sitting in my seat and the one next to it. They had bought cheaper tickets and not been assigned seats together. I think their plan was to convince whoever’s seat it was to switch with them so they could be together, I refused, it was MY seat, handpicked by me two months prior, my favorite spot on the plane. The girl got real pouty and just about started to cry, I just ignored her and sat down.
I such a jerk. 🙂
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Post by justme on Nov 23, 2019 7:56:33 GMT -5
1) Don't buy basic fares. If there's an involuntary bump it will be them. 2) Checkin as soon as it's open - the ones bumped will most likely be the last ones that checked in. That is really beside the point. Once a seat is sold they should not be allowed to sell it again. It is just plain wrong. And no, I have not (yet) ever been bumped. I suppose, but they only bump people when the algorithm of how many will no show is wrong. But stopping bumping would increase ticket prices, which is against what people are currently looking for in the market.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Nov 23, 2019 8:09:57 GMT -5
Maybe someone dropped the punch cards and didn't reorder them properly, so when they tried to compile the data, it was a mess. **This joke is for people over 55 years old, and even then, only some will get it. 😜 As someone whose first computer class was in 1978, I do get this!Me too since my introduction to punch cards was around 1962 Talk about feeling OLD!!
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Post by buystoys on Nov 23, 2019 12:00:17 GMT -5
I may have told this before, but last year I was flying from Detroit to San Diego, and paid to have a reserved seat. When I got on the plane there was a young couple sitting in my seat and the one next to it. They had bought cheaper tickets and not been assigned seats together. I think their plan was to convince whoever’s seat it was to switch with them so they could be together, I refused, it was MY seat, handpicked by me two months prior, my favorite spot on the plane. The girl got real pouty and just about started to cry, I just ignored her and sat down. I such a jerk. 🙂 Nope! I've done the same.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 23, 2019 17:51:32 GMT -5
I think the thread title is misleading. Airlines sell seats; people want seats as cheap as possible; so airlines come up with a way to compete with the discount airlines (Southwest, Frontier, etc). Then people who buy the cheap seats want the service that comes with the regular fares.
The airlines could consider asking the ages of each passenger and notifying the purchaser that there is no guarantee they will be seated together if the purchaser continues the purchase. But I think they already make that clear.
To me, this is not much different from the fundamentalist Jewish men who don't want to sit next to a female and expects the female seated next to them to move in order to accommodate their religious views.
I have changed seats with parents who didn't have adjacent seats and were traveling with an infant. I gave up an aisle seat for a middle seat, but it wasn't a long flight and I just felt like being accomodating. They also made it clear that it was a favor; they weren't expecting it. Sometimes, doing the nice thing is easy;
Once, on a long, international flight (13+ hours) I was asked to give up our bulkhead seats (aisle and window) for two middle seats so parents could use the bassinet fixtures. I had booked those seats months ahead. I asked the flight attendant if I had to; she said "no, I did not have to"; so I declined.
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Post by justme on Nov 23, 2019 21:05:34 GMT -5
I think the thread title is misleading. Airlines sell seats; people want seats as cheap as possible; so airlines come up with a way to compete with the discount airlines (Southwest, Frontier, etc). Then people who buy the cheap seats want the service that comes with the regular fares. The airlines could consider asking the ages of each passenger and notifying the purchaser that there is no guarantee they will be seated together if the purchaser continues the purchase. But I think they already make that clear. To me, this is not much different from the fundamentalist Jewish men who don't want to sit next to a female and expects the female seated next to them to move in order to accommodate their religious views. I have changed seats with parents who didn't have adjacent seats and were traveling with an infant. I gave up an aisle seat for a middle seat, but it wasn't a long flight and I just felt like being accomodating. They also made it clear that it was a favor; they weren't expecting it. Sometimes, doing the nice thing is easy; Once, on a long, international flight (13+ hours) I was asked to give up our bulkhead seats (aisle and window) for two middle seats so parents could use the bassinet fixtures. I had booked those seats months ahead. I asked the flight attendant if I had to; she said "no, I did not have to"; so I declined. I agree, except southwest isn't a discount airline anymore. Though if you always check two bags it might be cheaper. But southwest also boards families with young kids after group A. So there's at most 60 people plus any who need assistance boarding before families. Pretty much guaranteed to have seats together with them. My bro says air Canada lets you pick seats for free if you have young kids on the reservation with you - though it's just regular seats for free, if you want a preferred seat you still pay.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 0:58:51 GMT -5
When I got on the plane there was a young couple sitting in my seat and the one next to it. They had bought cheaper tickets and not been assigned seats together. I think their plan was to convince whoever’s seat it was to switch with them so they could be together, I refused, it was MY seat, handpicked by me two months prior, my favorite spot on the plane. The girl got real pouty and just about started to cry, I just ignored her and sat down. I'm such a jerk. 🙂 The consensus on flyertalk_dot_com is that anyone who plants themselves in a non-assigned seat and then tries to talk the legitimate occupant of that seat into switching deserves to be told NO. Closer to the OT- I'd like to see a middle ground- maybe a $100 "family surcharge" that would allow up to 4 people to select non-premium seats together if they're available. It would be cheaper than upgrading to a higher class or (maybe) paying individual fees to select seats. If they can't pay that they should stay home. It should not be up to the gate agents, the flight attendants or fellow passengers to accommodate them at the last minute for free,
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Post by Lizard Queen on Nov 24, 2019 9:08:36 GMT -5
I miss the days when seats weren't so tiny and squashed together, and they just logically assigned tickets purchased together, together. Sometimes I sat on the aisle, sometimes in the middle, sometimes in the exit row, and sometimes in the very front. All the seats were comfortable because they weren't squeezed in like sardines. On my last trip, I flew in one older plane out of the 4 flights. The seats didn't have the fancy electronics to watch, but they were roomy!
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Post by Ava on Nov 24, 2019 9:56:58 GMT -5
I miss the days when seats weren't so tiny and squashed together, and they just logically assigned tickets purchased together, together. Sometimes I sat on the aisle, sometimes in the middle, sometimes in the exit row, and sometimes in the very front. All the seats were comfortable because they weren't squeezed in like sardines. On my last trip, I flew in one older plane out of the 4 flights. The seats didn't have the fancy electronics to watch, but they were roomy! That's my main gripe with airlines today. I can put up with a lot of things, but when you are squished in a tiny seat for 11 or 12 hours, it's hell. I am always in pain after a long flight. Besides, I always think someone will end up having some sort of health issue in those long flights due to restricted movement and space. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet and I'm sure it's a health hazard and a disaster waiting to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 10:59:02 GMT -5
I am always in pain after a long flight. Besides, I always think someone will end up having some sort of health issue in those long flights due to restricted movement and space. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet and I'm sure it's a health hazard and a disaster waiting to happen. It does happen- it's called Deep Vein Thrombosis and sometimes it's fatal. Sometimes the in-flight video or magazine will show exercises you can do in the confines of your seat to keep your blood circulating. Teensy airline seats are a two-edged sword. As others have noted, the price of those big, roomy pre-deregulation seats, adjusted to current cost level, would be unaffordable for most people, especially families. If that were the only option now, think what it would do to Disney, the cruise industry, second homes and timeshares... very few people could afford to go back and forth regularly. I decided long ago that I'm flying Business Class on long-hauls. Well, DH actually requested it but he was tall, in his 70s and had a creaky back. That means I travel less often and I'm OK with that. It also means I'll never get to Australia because Business Class airfares are extortion. I'm OK with that, too, and I'm looking forward to flying home form Hawaii later today!
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Post by Ava on Nov 24, 2019 11:11:50 GMT -5
My trip back home is 11 hours.
I have checked out Business Class online, but I can't afford it.
I try to get up and move during the flight. Sometimes I stay close to the bathroom where there's a little more room
The long flight is a nightmare. I keep putting up with it because I enjoy my vacation so much. I wish I could travel by boat or drive to my destination. Or afford Business Class.
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Post by justme on Nov 24, 2019 11:13:51 GMT -5
I think the thread title is misleading. Airlines sell seats; people want seats as cheap as possible; so airlines come up with a way to compete with the discount airlines (Southwest, Frontier, etc). Then people who buy the cheap seats want the service that comes with the regular fares. The airlines could consider asking the ages of each passenger and notifying the purchaser that there is no guarantee they will be seated together if the purchaser continues the purchase. But I think they already make that clear. To me, this is not much different from the fundamentalist Jewish men who don't want to sit next to a female and expects the female seated next to them to move in order to accommodate their religious views. I have changed seats with parents who didn't have adjacent seats and were traveling with an infant. I gave up an aisle seat for a middle seat, but it wasn't a long flight and I just felt like being accomodating. They also made it clear that it was a favor; they weren't expecting it. Sometimes, doing the nice thing is easy; Once, on a long, international flight (13+ hours) I was asked to give up our bulkhead seats (aisle and window) for two middle seats so parents could use the bassinet fixtures. I had booked those seats months ahead. I asked the flight attendant if I had to; she said "no, I did not have to"; so I declined. Just an FYI I've discovered while reading other sites - they can make you give up a bulkhead seat for wheelchair passengers or passengers with a service dog. Between that and not being able to stretch my legs all the way out, I now usually avoid that.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 24, 2019 11:20:14 GMT -5
My trip back home is 11 hours. I have checked out Business Class online, but I can't afford it. I try to get up and move during the flight. Sometimes I stay close to the bathroom where there's a little more room The long flight is a nightmare. I keep putting up with it because I enjoy my vacation so much. I wish I could travel by boat or drive to my destination. Or afford Business Class. Since I’ve discovered Premium Economy, I won’t fly coach for anything over 5 hours. I recently flew PE on Air Canada from Seattle to Delhi (RT) for $1450 I avoid the American carriers as their PE is nowhere near as comfortable as Air Canada Air NZ or British Airways. This last flight I had a seat that was 19” wide and a pitch of 38”. It was quite comfortable. It also had a generous recline and I was able to actually get some sleep. Last Jan we flew from Seattle to Auckland (via Vancouver) on Air NZ. I had purchased PE, but they let you bid for Business. A week before we left I bid $500 each to upgrade and got it. We flew Business for half the price it would have been. We returned from Melbourne on Air Canada PE and found it quite comfortable at less than half the cost of Business.
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Post by Ava on Nov 24, 2019 11:31:46 GMT -5
My trip back home is 11 hours. I have checked out Business Class online, but I can't afford it. I try to get up and move during the flight. Sometimes I stay close to the bathroom where there's a little more room The long flight is a nightmare. I keep putting up with it because I enjoy my vacation so much. I wish I could travel by boat or drive to my destination. Or afford Business Class. Since I’ve discovered Premium Economy, I won’t fly coach for anything over 5 hours. I recently flew PE on Air Canada from Seattle to Delhi (RT) for $1450 I avoid the American carriers as their PE is nowhere near as comfortable as Air Canada Air NZ or British Airways. This last flight I had a seat that was 19” wide and a pitch of 38”. It was quite comfortable. It also had a generous recline and I was able to actually get some sleep. Last Jan we flew from Seattle to Auckland (via Vancouver) on Air NZ. I had purchased PE, but they let you bid for Business. A week before we left I bid $500 each to upgrade and got it. We flew Business for half the price it would have been. We returned from Melbourne on Air Canada PE and found it quite comfortable at less than half the cost of Business. Thanks for the information. I already booked my tickets for December January, but I'll consider Premium Economy for my next flight.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 24, 2019 11:37:57 GMT -5
Since I’ve discovered Premium Economy, I won’t fly coach for anything over 5 hours. I recently flew PE on Air Canada from Seattle to Delhi (RT) for $1450 I avoid the American carriers as their PE is nowhere near as comfortable as Air Canada Air NZ or British Airways. This last flight I had a seat that was 19” wide and a pitch of 38”. It was quite comfortable. It also had a generous recline and I was able to actually get some sleep. Last Jan we flew from Seattle to Auckland (via Vancouver) on Air NZ. I had purchased PE, but they let you bid for Business. A week before we left I bid $500 each to upgrade and got it. We flew Business for half the price it would have been. We returned from Melbourne on Air Canada PE and found it quite comfortable at less than half the cost of Business. Thanks for the information. I already booked my tickets for December January, but I'll consider Premium Economy for my next flight. What airline?
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 24, 2019 11:43:10 GMT -5
My trip back home is 11 hours. I have checked out Business Class online, but I can't afford it. I try to get up and move during the flight. Sometimes I stay close to the bathroom where there's a little more room The long flight is a nightmare. I keep putting up with it because I enjoy my vacation so much. I wish I could travel by boat or drive to my destination. Or afford Business Class. Since I’ve discovered Premium Economy, I won’t fly coach for anything over 5 hours. I recently flew PE on Air Canada from Seattle to Delhi (RT) for $1450 I avoid the American carriers as their PE is nowhere near as comfortable as Air Canada Air NZ or British Airways. This last flight I had a seat that was 19” wide and a pitch of 38”. It was quite comfortable. It also had a generous recline and I was able to actually get some sleep. Last Jan we flew from Seattle to Auckland (via Vancouver) on Air NZ. I had purchased PE, but they let you bid for Business. A week before we left I bid $500 each to upgrade and got it. We flew Business for half the price it would have been. We returned from Melbourne on Air Canada PE and found it quite comfortable at less than half the cost of Business. I flew Air Canada to get to Austria over the summer. Boston-Toronto-Vienna. first leg was nothing special, but that business class seat on the overseas was better than some first class seats I've walked by on boarding. definitely would fly them again!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 12:39:35 GMT -5
Premium Economy has been a great innovation. It always annoyed me when airlines would brag about all the enhancements to their "Premium Cabins" while cramming more seats into Coach. It's a good middle ground. When I flew to India last year I had enough miles to fly in Business Class except for the segment from London back home. I chose my seat on that one for an extra $100- not sure if it was Premium Economy but I had the row behind the bulkhead row, window seat (my favorite) with no seat in front of me. Very tolerable.
My brother has told me he's having a giant party at their new place in FL to celebrate his retirement and his and DSIL's 60th birthdays in late January. I thought briefly about offering to pay for DS and DDIL to go. Airfares looked manageable but then I realized they were Basic Economy. They have a 5-year old and a 3-year old and the baby would be 7 months old. Start adding up the cost for 4 paid tickets, with seat assignments, and think of them connecting somewhere since there are no nonstops available... not worth it, unfortunately. I'll save the travel bucks for short hops such as the ones to Chicago I do with the 5-year old (3-year old needs to grow up a bit and be potty-trained). I have Lifetime Gold status on AA and that gets me free seat selection and a free checked bag. So far (3 trips) I've managed to get adjoining seats for us!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 24, 2019 14:52:00 GMT -5
We pretty much always fly business class these days. Coach, for some reason causes TD’s RLS to kick into high gear and my hips just are not happy.
We are flying round trip to South America next month in business. Quoted price from the airline was $2000 more than Aeromexico. I also have a contact at a consolidator site who can get me business class tickets for less. Sometimes, I can find better but she has been really good in getting us to Europe for less than quoted prices. It does help that I have access to 2 major airports. I have found that there can be a considerable difference in cost. Since we are equidistant to both, it doesn’t really matter which way we go.
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Post by TheHaitian on Nov 24, 2019 16:14:54 GMT -5
As a passenger who paid extra to have an assigned seat next to my daughter or husband, I can't say that I would be happy to give up my seat so that someone who didn't pay extra could sit with their 3 year old. It would irritate me, but not to the point where I would want to sit next to a 3 year old. They have the birth dates for all passengers, they should just require an assigned seat next to an adult for all children younger than something. Either make the assignment free or an added charge. Since my daughter turned 2, we have had to purchase a ticket/ seat for her and we have not paid for the assigned seats so far (3 times) because : A) I doubt any passenger would want to seat next to my toddler B) at the gate they usually try to at least keep my wife and daughter together, my MIL and I don’t care much were we seat.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 24, 2019 16:55:36 GMT -5
As a passenger who paid extra to have an assigned seat next to my daughter or husband, I can't say that I would be happy to give up my seat so that someone who didn't pay extra could sit with their 3 year old. It would irritate me, but not to the point where I would want to sit next to a 3 year old. They have the birth dates for all passengers, they should just require an assigned seat next to an adult for all children younger than something. Either make the assignment free or an added charge. Since my daughter turned 2, we have had to purchase a ticket/ seat for her and we have not paid for the assigned seats so far (3 times) because : A) I doubt any passenger would want to seat next to my toddler B) at the gate they usually try to at least keep my wife and daughter together, my MIL and I don’t care much were we seat. But how is that fair to the people that paid extra to pick their seats? I would be loaded if I were expected to give up a seat I paid extra for, just because you assumed I wouldn’t want to sit next to your kid. Why don’t you man up and pay extra instead of taking advantage of other people?
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Post by Ava on Nov 24, 2019 17:34:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the information. I already booked my tickets for December January, but I'll consider Premium Economy for my next flight. What airline? Aerolineas Argentinas
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 24, 2019 17:54:39 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/airlines-tell-parents-to-pay-up-or-risk-sitting-rows-away-from-their-kids-thats-wrong/ar-BBX2A2s?li=BBnb7KzThe article is about the problem that airlines are charging parents to reserve seats to sit with their young children. Sometimes not seating them together even with reservations. I read it and thought "Is this really a problem?". Some of the reports are about children as young as 1-3. I have a 1-year old and a 3-year old. Seat me far away from them if you want. Between the time we board and the time the plane starts to taxi, I won't have to bother the staff...anyone sitting near my kids will be begging them to change seats. If anything, I might be the one refusing to change seats to sit next to my little monsters. Are there a ton of travelers out there who WANT to keep their seat next to a random 3-year-old without their parents? I guess I just don't see how this happens where nobody is willing to trade seats, and where there are MULTIPLE people who want to sit around a child that young without their parents nearby. I am a responsible parent so I pay to make sure I’m seated next to my special needs child. No, I absolutely would not give up my seat because you don’t want to pay to take care of your child. We travel with noise canceling headphones so honestly, your kid could scream her head off and it would absolutely not bother me at all.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 24, 2019 18:10:32 GMT -5
I flew the cheapest fare to Italy on Lufthansa. The one where you can only take 18 pounds total as a carryon. I was treated as well as someone in premium economy. Hot meals, comfortable seats, plenty of decent sized bathrooms, free wine and beer. Flying United to NYC in December is going to suck because our domestic airlines are crap compared to international ones.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 20:03:40 GMT -5
But how is that fair to the people that paid extra to pick their seats? I would be loaded if I were expected to give up a seat I paid extra for, just because you assumed I wouldn’t want to sit next to your kid. Why don’t you man up and pay extra instead of taking advantage of other people? I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels this way. Ante up if you want two seats together. And if little Carlotta is seated next to me I won't change seats. She and I will have a great time and by the end of the flight I'll have taught her a whole lot of new words.
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Post by TheHaitian on Nov 24, 2019 20:37:37 GMT -5
Since my daughter turned 2, we have had to purchase a ticket/ seat for her and we have not paid for the assigned seats so far (3 times) because : A) I doubt any passenger would want to seat next to my toddler B) at the gate they usually try to at least keep my wife and daughter together, my MIL and I don’t care much were we seat. But how is that fair to the people that paid extra to pick their seats? I would be loaded if I were expected to give up a seat I paid extra for, just because you assumed I wouldn’t want to sit next to your kid. Why don’t you man up and pay extra instead of taking advantage of other people? Lol, I guess having teenagers made you forget what toddlers are like. You think screaming/ yelling is the end of it? Moving, cannot seat stills, still in diapers, need a diaper change, diaper overload... still moving and touching everything. And you dare to so much touch someone else child they accuse you of inappropriately touching their child, and everything else you can imagine and have some nice police officers waiting for you at the gate when you land. Or you can give up your seat and not have to deal with any of that. Most people do the calculations quickly: easier and less headache to give up the seat. But please by all means, insist and put the noise canceling headphones on!
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