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Post by zibazinski on Nov 24, 2019 20:44:27 GMT -5
You have a mouth, call the parent to come change their kids shitty diaper. It’s also amazing how opk’s will behave if you tell them to knock that shit off. Parents have no clout it seems but strangers will be listened to.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Nov 24, 2019 22:59:28 GMT -5
This is why I fly Southwest. They don't pull crap like that.
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Post by iono1 on Nov 25, 2019 1:29:07 GMT -5
I'd rather sit next to a 3 year old than someone who is 300 pounds. Usually when I fly I hope for a kid in the seat next to me & the seat in front of me because I'll have more room on the side & the kid in front of me isn't going to recline the seat like an adult will. One time a mother & her young son sat next to me on Southwest where you can watch TV on your computer. When I bring a full sized laptop it gets pretty tight with the computer on my fold down tray. The kid was in the middle & I struck a deal with them to share the TV on my computer with the kid as long as I could put the computer in front of the kid instead of me. It worked out great because the kid had plenty of room to handle my computer on his tray & so did I without the computer on my tray.
I booked a Thanksgiving trip last June through Priceline on American & didn't think I could change my seat. Today I checked in 24 hours early & got my seat assignments. It's 3 flights & on the last 2 they put me in the middle seat (the 1st one has only 2 seats on my side of the plane). Thankfully, I was able to buy seat changes out of the 2 middle seats to aisle seats for $18 and change. Even though the price was about $9 each I thought it's robbery that I had to pay for a seat change on each connecting flight separately. If they make you connect on 3 flights there should be a one time fee to change seats, not a fee for each plane. Still beggars can't be choosers and I gladly paid to get out of the middle, especially on the middle flight from Philadelphia to Phoenix. I usually fly Southwest & check in early enough to get a decent seat. One time I had to go to a wedding & paid the extra for early check in. It was only one fee & covered both the 1st & the 2nd (connecting) flight.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 25, 2019 7:28:14 GMT -5
Also just to address some of the "to hell with them, they should have paid to lock up the seats"...part of the article is about people who did reserve seats together, and then were separated anyways. And in some cases, the child was special needs and separated from their parents.
I'm also not sure why people assume a child is traumatized by sitting next to strangers. I think it would almost be more annoying to sit next to one who LIKED sitting next to strangers...that kid might not stop touching you, talking to you, etc the entire flight.
:: Of course I would spend the flight telling your little angel that her parents don’t care about her or they would have coughed up the $200 to sit by her.::
So you're proud to emotionally abuse children who had no say in the situation? Weird flex but ok.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Nov 25, 2019 7:43:25 GMT -5
Also just to address some of the "to hell with them, they should have paid to lock up the seats"...part of the article is about people who did reserve seats together, and then were separated anyways. And in some cases, the child was special needs and separated from their parents. I'm also not sure why people assume a child is traumatized by sitting next to strangers. I think it would almost be more annoying to sit next to one who LIKED sitting next to strangers...that kid might not stop touching you, talking to you, etc the entire flight. :: Of course I would spend the flight telling your little angel that her parents don’t care about her or they would have coughed up the $200 to sit by her.:: So you're proud to emotionally abuse children who had no say in the situation? Weird flex but ok. I would be more concerned that my child would be seated next to a pervert. It has happened before on airplane - hell pervert even groped a full grown adult. I don't have a dog in this hunt since my 53 yr old can take care of himself but this thread has been an interesting read.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Nov 25, 2019 7:45:55 GMT -5
It is frustrating when you book a flight and select the seats only to have them changed later by the airline. American did this to me over spring break. I paid for our flights and did seats in November. At some point they changed everything and put us in the very last row of the plane for the first flight. I was able to go in and fix the other segments. The first one I ended up buying an upgrade to first class. It wasn't that much more than the bag fee would have been.
It's bad enough to pay to select the seat but then when the airline arbitrarily changes it and doesn't even tell you that's crap.
We either fly Southwest or we select seats. When I compare flights I consider the total cost of flight, bags, and seats.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 25, 2019 8:12:48 GMT -5
I'd rather sit next to a 3 year old than someone who is 300 pounds. Usually when I fly I hope for a kid in the seat next to me & the seat in front of me because I'll have more room on the side & the kid in front of me isn't going to recline the seat like an adult will. One time a mother & her young son sat next to me on Southwest where you can watch TV on your computer. When I bring a full sized laptop it gets pretty tight with the computer on my fold down tray. The kid was in the middle & I struck a deal with them to share the TV on my computer with the kid as long as I could put the computer in front of the kid instead of me. It worked out great because the kid had plenty of room to handle my computer on his tray & so did I without the computer on my tray. I booked a Thanksgiving trip last June through Priceline on American & didn't think I could change my seat. Today I checked in 24 hours early & got my seat assignments. It's 3 flights & on the last 2 they put me in the middle seat (the 1st one has only 2 seats on my side of the plane). Thankfully, I was able to buy seat changes out of the 2 middle seats to aisle seats for $18 and change. Even though the price was about $9 each I thought it's robbery that I had to pay for a seat change on each connecting flight separately. If they make you connect on 3 flights there should be a one time fee to change seats, not a fee for each plane. Still beggars can't be choosers and I gladly paid to get out of the middle, especially on the middle flight from Philadelphia to Phoenix. I usually fly Southwest & check in early enough to get a decent seat. One time I had to go to a wedding & paid the extra for early check in. It was only one fee & covered both the 1st & the 2nd (connecting) flight. I used to do the early check in but I found I did better on my own than they were doing for me.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Nov 25, 2019 8:21:00 GMT -5
I've paid for the early bird in the past. The price keeps going up though. It's an extra $100 for the two of us round trip now. I didn't last month when we went to Florida. I forgot on the way back and we had C something. I upgraded at the gate to A select for $80. Still saved $20 over doing it both ways.
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Post by swamp on Nov 25, 2019 8:33:41 GMT -5
But how is that fair to the people that paid extra to pick their seats? I would be loaded if I were expected to give up a seat I paid extra for, just because you assumed I wouldn’t want to sit next to your kid. Why don’t you man up and pay extra instead of taking advantage of other people? I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels this way. Ante up if you want two seats together. And if little Carlotta is seated next to me I won't change seats. She and I will have a great time and by the end of the flight I'll have taught her a whole lot of new words. This. And fed a pile of sugar.
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Post by justme on Nov 25, 2019 10:35:22 GMT -5
www.elliott.org/airline-problems/baby-fly-own-seat/Read this this morning. Might be of interest to those with young kids. It has links to a new safety regulation that they've been trying to get passed that would remove the exception of lap children requiring infants to pay for a seat. Basically it's saying that the exception was made in the 1920s back before there was a way to strap children into airplane seats as there were no carseats. Now there are carseats and carseats specifically designed for strapping into an airplane seat. The new regulation they have been trying to pass for several years points to a plane crash in 1940 where a 9 month infant died during the crash as the mother wasn't able to maintain a secure enough hold on the infant during impact and the infant flew about the cabin striking several seats before dying. If the child was securely fastened in its own seat it wouldn't have died.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Nov 25, 2019 10:43:16 GMT -5
I've been thinking about all this, and I think it would be more pleasant to stomach all the extra charges as a discount from a full fare if you are okay with sitting wherever/being bumped/not bringing baggage, instead of a million add-ons tacked on to a base.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 25, 2019 10:50:43 GMT -5
I've been thinking about all this, and I think it would be more pleasant to stomach all the extra charges as a discount from a full fare if you are okay with sitting wherever/being bumped/not bringing baggage, instead of a million add-ons tacked on to a base. It would be, because people would feel like they're getting a deal every time they remove something they don't want and get a little discount instead of an add-on for things they DO want. The problem is, a ton of shopping is done with aggregator websites that search fares for you. Nobody wants to show a "base fare" that's super high because they aren't going to get good results when people search the aggregator sites. You're going to look a lot worse if you show up at $500 but can take $200 off with discounts than you are by showing a starting fare of $200 and letting people add on back up to $300. You still get the same service and same price point of $300...but the way people search these days is going to make the full fare option look a lot less desirable to the way people buy these days. And there's really no way around all of that, since some airlines aren't going to have you adding back on, they're just a no frills airline to begin with and don't even have the add-ons to sell you.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 25, 2019 11:04:19 GMT -5
www.elliott.org/airline-problems/baby-fly-own-seat/Read this this morning. Might be of interest to those with young kids. It has links to a new safety regulation that they've been trying to get passed that would remove the exception of lap children requiring infants to pay for a seat. Basically it's saying that the exception was made in the 1920s back before there was a way to strap children into airplane seats as there were no carseats. Now there are carseats and carseats specifically designed for strapping into an airplane seat. The new regulation they have been trying to pass for several years points to a plane crash in 1940 where a 9 month infant died during the crash as the mother wasn't able to maintain a secure enough hold on the infant during impact and the infant flew about the cabin striking several seats before dying. If the child was securely fastened in its own seat it wouldn't have died. I've often wondered about infants sitting on the laps of parents. When everyone knows that in the event of a crash, or even a rough stop, it's quite possible for the infant to go flying. It's only common sense to require a ticket and a safety seat.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 25, 2019 11:07:17 GMT -5
www.elliott.org/airline-problems/baby-fly-own-seat/Read this this morning. Might be of interest to those with young kids. It has links to a new safety regulation that they've been trying to get passed that would remove the exception of lap children requiring infants to pay for a seat. Basically it's saying that the exception was made in the 1920s back before there was a way to strap children into airplane seats as there were no carseats. Now there are carseats and carseats specifically designed for strapping into an airplane seat. The new regulation they have been trying to pass for several years points to a plane crash in 1940 where a 9 month infant died during the crash as the mother wasn't able to maintain a secure enough hold on the infant during impact and the infant flew about the cabin striking several seats before dying. If the child was securely fastened in its own seat it wouldn't have died. I've often wondered about infants sitting on the laps of parents. When everyone knows that in the event of a crash, or even a rough stop, it's quite possible for the infant to go flying. It's only common sense to require a ticket and a safety seat. We haven't flown with our kids, but that's one thing I learned once we had them. I was astonished that it's legal to fly with a kid and just hold them on your lap.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 11:16:42 GMT -5
I've often wondered about infants sitting on the laps of parents. When everyone knows that in the event of a crash, or even a rough stop, it's quite possible for the infant to go flying. It's only common sense to require a ticket and a safety seat. The airlines have been fighting this because they claim that requiring children under 2 years old to have their own seats will put more families on the road because flying is too expensive, and statistically flying is safer. I was surprised by the issues the couple in the article had when they thought they'd booked a separate seat for an 18-month old and found him classified as a "lap baby" with no separate seat. I started booking a separate seat for DS when he was even younger than that; he was more likely to relax and sleep in his familiar car seat (which was FAA-approved). That was years ago, though.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 25, 2019 11:19:46 GMT -5
I've often wondered about infants sitting on the laps of parents. When everyone knows that in the event of a crash, or even a rough stop, it's quite possible for the infant to go flying. It's only common sense to require a ticket and a safety seat. The airlines have been fighting this because they claim that requiring children under 2 years old to have their own seats will put more families on the road because flying is too expensive, and statistically flying is safer.I was surprised by the issues the couple in the article had when they thought they'd booked a separate seat for an 18-month old and found him classified as a "lap baby" with no separate seat. I started booking a separate seat for DS when he was even younger than that; he was more likely to relax and sleep in his familiar car seat (which was FAA-approved). That was years ago, though. I think the airlines are correct, but since "statistically flying is safer" why require anyone to wear seat belts when they fly?
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Post by justme on Nov 25, 2019 11:54:30 GMT -5
The airlines have been fighting this because they claim that requiring children under 2 years old to have their own seats will put more families on the road because flying is too expensive, and statistically flying is safer.I was surprised by the issues the couple in the article had when they thought they'd booked a separate seat for an 18-month old and found him classified as a "lap baby" with no separate seat. I started booking a separate seat for DS when he was even younger than that; he was more likely to relax and sleep in his familiar car seat (which was FAA-approved). That was years ago, though. I think the airlines are correct, but since "statistically flying is safer" why require anyone to wear seat belts when they fly? Mostly speculation on my part, but it's probably more to keep the passengers contained during the most dangerous part of the flight (takeoff and landing) and to protect against the most often cause of injury in flights - turbulence. The lap belt will keep you from flying up out of your seat, but as it's lacking a belt across the chest it's practically useless in impacts (which is why you're supposed to brace yourself against the seat in front of you). Now granted I've only been fly for 3 decades (and besides a few instances didn't really start until the last decade), but from what I can tell there's been very little improvement of safety features in the fuselage over the years. Seats are pretty much the same (only size has changed) and seatbelts are pretty much the same. Which makes sense on a number side - why spend a lot of money on creating safer seats and such when crashes are really rare and when there is a crash it's either relatively minor or catastrophic. Either you were going to walk away even with less safety features or you weren't going to walk away unless you had your own escape capsule.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 25, 2019 12:15:45 GMT -5
I've often wondered about infants sitting on the laps of parents. When everyone knows that in the event of a crash, or even a rough stop, it's quite possible for the infant to go flying. It's only common sense to require a ticket and a safety seat. We haven't flown with our kids, but that's one thing I learned once we had them. I was astonished that it's legal to fly with a kid and just hold them on your lap. I wonder how many babies have died in airplanes that didn't crash. If it is significant, then maybe this is a good rule. Also, it seems like if a flight goes down, everyone dies anyway, but there have been a few where there were survivors and fatalities in the same crash. I wonder if babies were more likely to end up on the fatality list. And, of course, there are crashes where everyone survived, so I guess we need to see how many lap babies there were. I doubt there is a flight in the past 30 years that crashed where the only fatality was a lap child. If there was, advocates would be parading that one around.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 25, 2019 12:27:08 GMT -5
www.elliott.org/airline-problems/baby-fly-own-seat/Read this this morning. Might be of interest to those with young kids. It has links to a new safety regulation that they've been trying to get passed that would remove the exception of lap children requiring infants to pay for a seat. Basically it's saying that the exception was made in the 1920s back before there was a way to strap children into airplane seats as there were no carseats. Now there are carseats and carseats specifically designed for strapping into an airplane seat. The new regulation they have been trying to pass for several years points to a plane crash in 1940 where a 9 month infant died during the crash as the mother wasn't able to maintain a secure enough hold on the infant during impact and the infant flew about the cabin striking several seats before dying. If the child was securely fastened in its own seat it wouldn't have died. When my kids were that young the car seat in the airplane wasn’t an option. If I had young ones now, they’d have a seat of their own and fastened in safely. It’s not worth the money to lose my baby’s life.
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Post by justme on Nov 25, 2019 12:30:45 GMT -5
www.elliott.org/airline-problems/baby-fly-own-seat/Read this this morning. Might be of interest to those with young kids. It has links to a new safety regulation that they've been trying to get passed that would remove the exception of lap children requiring infants to pay for a seat. Basically it's saying that the exception was made in the 1920s back before there was a way to strap children into airplane seats as there were no carseats. Now there are carseats and carseats specifically designed for strapping into an airplane seat. The new regulation they have been trying to pass for several years points to a plane crash in 1940 where a 9 month infant died during the crash as the mother wasn't able to maintain a secure enough hold on the infant during impact and the infant flew about the cabin striking several seats before dying. If the child was securely fastened in its own seat it wouldn't have died. When my kids were that young the car seat in the airplane wasn’t an option. If I had young ones now, they’d have a seat of their own and fastened in safely. It’s not worth the money to lose my baby’s life. @athena53 mentioned it was an option for her DS. I'm not entirely sure on the ages of both your kids, but I think Athena's are around the same age. So it might have been, just not widely known.
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Post by swamp on Nov 25, 2019 12:46:52 GMT -5
I've always bought the extra seat for my kids and paid for it to be next to mine. The thought of holding a child entire flight without having space to put their crap (diapers, food, formula, toys, books, binkies, extra clothes) is horrifying.
If we got separated after I paid for us to be together and the airline won't put us back together, I hope you like taking care of a kid.
When the kids were a little older, DS would have loved to sit next to a stranger starting at about age 4. DD would have freaked out. Now they both put their headphones on and ignore everyone. I guess I can stop paying extra for them to sit near me.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 25, 2019 13:53:16 GMT -5
When I took my infant on a flight I put her in one of those front packs. Not the slings they have now, but the ones where they were really strapped in. I think I took her out and played a little in the middle of the flight, which I would have done if she were in a seat too - just to keep her from crying. But for take off and landing she was strapped in. She was under 9 months (probably under 6 months). When she was 16 months, we bought her a seat.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 25, 2019 14:40:10 GMT -5
When my kids were that young the car seat in the airplane wasn’t an option. If I had young ones now, they’d have a seat of their own and fastened in safely. It’s not worth the money to lose my baby’s life. @athena53 mentioned it was an option for her DS. I'm not entirely sure on the ages of both your kids, but I think Athena's are around the same age. So it might have been, just not widely known. Could have been, they’re 36 and 30. Never saw it done by anyone to even ask about.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 15:38:51 GMT -5
@athena53 mentioned it was an option for her DS. I'm not entirely sure on the ages of both your kids, but I think Athena's are around the same age. So it might have been, just not widely known. Could have been, they’re 36 and 30. Never saw it done by anyone to even ask about. Yes, DS is 35 so it was awhile ago. I think they may not have collected age data back then- it was pre-9/11. If you had a lap child I don't think you even had to provide their names; you just showed up. Now when I fly with my granddaughter, who's 5, they do want her age at ticketing.
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Post by NastyWoman on Nov 25, 2019 16:43:59 GMT -5
@athena53 mentioned it was an option for her DS. I'm not entirely sure on the ages of both your kids, but I think Athena's are around the same age. So it might have been, just not widely known. Could have been, they’re 36 and 30. Never saw it done by anyone to even ask about. I flew a lot when my kids were little (youngest was on his first intercontinental flight when 4 months old) but I never saw anyone using a car seat on a plane. Heck, when DS2 was born (he is 37yo) a car seat was not even mandatory in a car here in CA. Before we left the hospital the pediatrician came to visit and strongly recommended we get a car seat for the (not so) little guy. Well, DS2 was leaving in a car seat → we wouldn't have thought of doing it differently, but according to the pediatrician we were the first ones in a week who had a car seat before the baby left.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 25, 2019 21:32:26 GMT -5
Also just to address some of the "to hell with them, they should have paid to lock up the seats"...part of the article is about people who did reserve seats together, and then were separated anyways. And in some cases, the child was special needs and separated from their parents. I'm also not sure why people assume a child is traumatized by sitting next to strangers. I think it would almost be more annoying to sit next to one who LIKED sitting next to strangers...that kid might not stop touching you, talking to you, etc the entire flight. :: Of course I would spend the flight telling your little angel that her parents don’t care about her or they would have coughed up the $200 to sit by her.:: So you're proud to emotionally abuse children who had no say in the situation? Weird flex but ok. The little kid should understand that his/her father cared more about the almighty dollar than their safety. Damn right I would tell them. I can’t imagine putting my child at risk over a few hundred dollars. I can’t imagine feeling so entitled that I would refuse to pay the fee and then just expect others to cater to my child. You might not have been talking about that, but Carl sure was. I have a child that needs me to sit next to them. So I pay to make sure I would be sitting next to them. Some other asshat who is too busy spending his money at pottery barn to take care of his child would not make me move. If his kid sits their, no issue. They want to talk, ive got noise cancelling headphones to tune them out. They get scared and tantrum, damn right they are going to know their parents suck and that’s why they are stuck sitting with strangers
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Post by swamp on Nov 26, 2019 12:25:32 GMT -5
Also just to address some of the "to hell with them, they should have paid to lock up the seats"...part of the article is about people who did reserve seats together, and then were separated anyways. And in some cases, the child was special needs and separated from their parents. I'm also not sure why people assume a child is traumatized by sitting next to strangers. I think it would almost be more annoying to sit next to one who LIKED sitting next to strangers...that kid might not stop touching you, talking to you, etc the entire flight. :: Of course I would spend the flight telling your little angel that her parents don’t care about her or they would have coughed up the $200 to sit by her.:: So you're proud to emotionally abuse children who had no say in the situation? Weird flex but ok. The little kid should understand that his/her father cared more about the almighty dollar than their safety. Damn right I would tell them. I can’t imagine putting my child at risk over a few hundred dollars. I can’t imagine feeling so entitled that I would refuse to pay the fee and then just expect others to cater to my child. You might not have been talking about that, but Carl sure was. I have a child that needs me to sit next to them. So I pay to make sure I would be sitting next to them. Some other asshat who is too busy spending his money at pottery barn to take care of his child would not make me move. If his kid sits their, no issue. They want to talk, ive got noise cancelling headphones to tune them out. They get scared and tantrum, damn right they are going to know their parents suck and that’s why they are stuck sitting with strangers But what if they did pay and the airline separated them?
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 26, 2019 12:35:26 GMT -5
The little kid should understand that his/her father cared more about the almighty dollar than their safety. Damn right I would tell them. I can’t imagine putting my child at risk over a few hundred dollars. I can’t imagine feeling so entitled that I would refuse to pay the fee and then just expect others to cater to my child. You might not have been talking about that, but Carl sure was. I have a child that needs me to sit next to them. So I pay to make sure I would be sitting next to them. Some other asshat who is too busy spending his money at pottery barn to take care of his child would not make me move. If his kid sits their, no issue. They want to talk, ive got noise cancelling headphones to tune them out. They get scared and tantrum, damn right they are going to know their parents suck and that’s why they are stuck sitting with strangers But what if they did pay and the airline separated them? Or what if regardless of how you feel about the parents, you just make it a personal rule not to abuse children?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 26, 2019 20:39:35 GMT -5
The little kid should understand that his/her father cared more about the almighty dollar than their safety. Damn right I would tell them. I can’t imagine putting my child at risk over a few hundred dollars. I can’t imagine feeling so entitled that I would refuse to pay the fee and then just expect others to cater to my child. You might not have been talking about that, but Carl sure was. I have a child that needs me to sit next to them. So I pay to make sure I would be sitting next to them. Some other asshat who is too busy spending his money at pottery barn to take care of his child would not make me move. If his kid sits their, no issue. They want to talk, ive got noise cancelling headphones to tune them out. They get scared and tantrum, damn right they are going to know their parents suck and that’s why they are stuck sitting with strangers But what if they did pay and the airline separated them? That wasn’t what I was addressing. Carl’s entitled attitude has be wanting to never accommodate anyone on a plan every again. Now I won’t know who is just being a cheap person who doesn’t give a shit about his kid or who actually got split. I guess if I was alone and they could prove to me that they paid just like I did, I would switch for another aisle seat. If they can’t prove it, they can F off.
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 26, 2019 20:40:38 GMT -5
But what if they did pay and the airline separated them? Or what if regardless of how you feel about the parents, you just make it a personal rule not to abuse children? Telling s child the truth about their parents is not abuse. Abuse would be hitting back if they hit me. I would never hit a child but i have no problem telling them their parents are awful.
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