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Post by hoops902 on Sept 5, 2019 14:52:10 GMT -5
The store where I shop (I refuse to shop at Walmart) for groceries is very good about opening up more registers if there is even one customer waiting. This store doesn't even have self checkout, so I don't have to make that decision. Hy-Vee used to be my go to but not any more. They are the store who checks me out but expects me to put my own groceries in the cart while they ring up the next customer.I'd like to go back to the days when the wonderful cashiers had all the prices memorized. Agreed, it's why I won't even go to restaurants anymore, they want me to chew my OWN food...ugh...do your job businesses!
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 5, 2019 17:30:48 GMT -5
Our supermarket chains are making money hand over fist. Immense profits. They charge $1.29 for one lemon, that I can buy 4 for a $1 at a little mom and pop store. Same lemons. Now I'm supposed to do the big chain's work for them, by looking up my own codes and bagging my own groceries? Not going to happen. SUPPOSED to? No, who is saying you're supposed to? Have an OPTION to if you think it's to your benefit? Absolutely. You're already doing the big chain's work for them aren't you? Back in the day you'd just bring in a list and hand it to someone, and they'd turn around and find your items on the shelves behind them...now, like a sucker, you're walking and reaching when that's THEIR job I've NEVER seen that! Was that in the 1800s?
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Post by sesfw on Sept 5, 2019 17:52:32 GMT -5
They charge $1.29 for one lemon, that I can buy 4 for a $1 at a little mom and pop store.
Then shop at the mom and pop store. You have a choice.
Use it
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 5, 2019 18:00:33 GMT -5
They charge $1.29 for one lemon, that I can buy 4 for a $1 at a little mom and pop store.Then shop at the mom and pop store. You have a choice. Use it I DO shop at the mom and pop stores for produce. I still don't like using the self-checkout at the chains, so I don't. Choice.
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Post by phil5185 on Sept 5, 2019 19:21:38 GMT -5
"" Back in the day you'd just bring in a list and hand it to someone, and they'd turn around and find your items on the shelves behind them...now, like a sucker, you're walking and reaching when that's THEIR job
I've NEVER seen that! Was that in the 1800s? ""
lol, not quite - I remember it well. My parents thought it was a big deal when we first walked into a grocery store and we were guided to the "other" side of the store and allowed to pick items off of the shelves ourselves. In our area (midwest) "super markets" were invented around 1945. And no 'paper or plastic', we brought our own wooden crates. Millennials think they invented their own reusable tote bags - but we were there about 60 years earlier.
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Post by lynnerself on Sept 5, 2019 21:29:04 GMT -5
My grocery has about 6 self checks to 8 or so cashiers open at one time. Generally even with waiting in line the cashier is much faster than I am. Generally they know the codes for most of the produce and just have to look up obscure stuff unless I get a new employee. I use self check if I have a very small amount of stuff and it's busy.
My grocery does not bag my stuff , nor does it take credit cards. But it is by far the cheapest place in town. I always self check at Walmart, but I don't get my groceries there.
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Post by ednkris on Sept 6, 2019 8:58:33 GMT -5
Oregon minimum wage is $11.25 an hr. This is what happens when you take low skilled jobs and demand to overcompensate them. Now those jobs are being replaced. So the people who only wanted an easy part-time job is out of luck they are going away.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2019 9:02:44 GMT -5
Oregon minimum wage is $11.25 an hr. This is what happens when you take low skilled jobs and demand to overcompensate them. Now those jobs are being replaced. So the people who only wanted an easy part-time job is out of luck they are going away. Do states with lower minimum wage rates not have self check out in their stores?
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Post by ednkris on Sept 6, 2019 9:09:12 GMT -5
Oregon minimum wage is $11.25 an hr. This is what happens when you take low skilled jobs and demand to overcompensate them. Now those jobs are being replaced. So the people who only wanted an easy part-time job is out of luck they are going away. Do states with lower minimum wage rates not have self check out in their stores? Good point....it is only my opinion...i wonder if there is a study linking the two.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 6, 2019 9:44:30 GMT -5
Do states with lower minimum wage rates not have self check out in their stores? Good point....it is only my opinion...i wonder if there is a study linking the two. I'm guessing no, if only because I live in a state with lower minimum wage and self checkouts are EVERYWHERE. It's probably less about the wage itself, and more about things like variation in customer traffic. If I have self-checkouts, they are always there, always (hopefully) working. I don't have to worry about having 3 cashiers on duty, or 9, or trying to predict when my busy times will be. I don't have to worry that my busy time is 9am-11am on Saturdays, and needing only 5 people at 8am, 5 people at noon, but 30 people between 9-11 and figuring out how I'm going to get that many people willing to work 2 hours then leave. I don't have to have my front-of-store manager constantly calling trained people up to registers, opening the register, sending them back to doing whatever they were doing, reconciling the register after, etc. For example, if we use my 5 people, 30 people, 5 people example above...and we assume that 60% of people will use self-checkout. Now I'm down to needing 2 people, 12 people, 2 people. I'm a lot more likely to be able to find an additional 10 people to fill that spot (either by staggering some shifts, pulling in a few people from the floor who can cover a register, etc). The ratio stays the same, but the actual employee reduction simplifies things immensely. I also don't have to worry about people making money mistakes. I probably also deal with fewer complaints from people with a handful of items who are buried in lines behind people with overflowing carts. I would guess that from an economic perspective, the difference in marginal minimum wage rate from low states to high states isn't particularly relevant to this (particularly because most stores aren't employing enough individuals to make that marginal difference for cashiers-only a big deal).
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Post by resolution on Sept 6, 2019 9:56:34 GMT -5
We got them in Maryland long before the minimum wage was raised.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 10:00:52 GMT -5
This kind of reminds me of the conversations when the self-service gas stations started up here in the 70's.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2019 10:07:16 GMT -5
This kind of reminds me of the conversations when the self-service gas stations started up here in the 70's. And it is interesting that it is in Oregon that the ballot measure is being pushed. I know Oregon did not allow people to pump their own gas at one point. Not sure what the current law is there now.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 6, 2019 10:17:20 GMT -5
This kind of reminds me of the conversations when the self-service gas stations started up here in the 70's. And it is interesting that it is in Oregon that the ballot measure is being pushed. I know Oregon did not allow people to pump their own gas at one point. Not sure what the current law is there now. Still the case.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 6, 2019 10:38:10 GMT -5
I'm all for workers rights, but raging against the technology advances in your job is like screaming at a hurricane. Self check out is here, and eventually the items will scan as you put them into your cart and there still won't be cashiers, but the worst part of self checkout and the worst part of grocery shopping will be gone and replaced by something even easier.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2019 10:54:38 GMT -5
I'm all for workers rights, but raging against the technology advances in your job is like screaming at a hurricane. Self check out is here, and eventually the items will scan as you put them into your cart and there still won't be cashiers, but the worst part of self checkout and the worst part of grocery shopping will be gone and replaced by something even easier. There is no part of self check out that is a technological advance.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 6, 2019 11:05:25 GMT -5
I'm all for workers rights, but raging against the technology advances in your job is like screaming at a hurricane. Self check out is here, and eventually the items will scan as you put them into your cart and there still won't be cashiers, but the worst part of self checkout and the worst part of grocery shopping will be gone and replaced by something even easier. There is no part of self check out that is a technological advance. The weighing part so you can't slide two boxes of Oreos into your bag without scanning them. Also, the painfully slow screen to find produce codes. Maybe I should have said robotics instead of technology. It is happening, if we like it or not.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2019 11:08:52 GMT -5
There is no part of self check out that is a technological advance. The weighing part so you can't slide two boxes of Oreos into your bag without scanning them. Also, the painfully slow screen to find produce codes. Maybe I should have said robotics instead of technology. It is happening, if we like it or not. Check out the OP. There are people in Oregon who don't share your sense of powerlessness.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 6, 2019 11:09:58 GMT -5
I'm not powerless, I just like to look ahead and prepare for the future instead of raging against inevitable change.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 6, 2019 12:07:25 GMT -5
I probably also deal with fewer complaints from people with a handful of items who are buried in lines behind people with overflowing carts.
You don't have quick check out for people with fewer than 6 or 8 items?
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 6, 2019 12:48:35 GMT -5
I probably also deal with fewer complaints from people with a handful of items who are buried in lines behind people with overflowing carts.
You don't have quick check out for people with fewer than 6 or 8 items? No, that's what self checkout is for (now). I used to see those around a bit, but it's usually like 12-20 items, and those lines are only ever open during the super busy times. If it's slower and there are only 2 cashiers open, you're gonna have a long wait.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2019 13:17:07 GMT -5
... It is happening, if we like it or not. I'm not powerless, I just like to look ahead and prepare for the future instead of raging against inevitable change. If things are going to happen in spite of how you feel about it, doesn't that mean you are powerless to stop it? And I don't see it as "raging". Rage is "violent, uncontrollable anger". This is using the ballot measure process and ultimately the power of people to manage a situation in a way that they have an outcome that they desire.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 6, 2019 14:07:41 GMT -5
I probably also deal with fewer complaints from people with a handful of items who are buried in lines behind people with overflowing carts.
You don't have quick check out for people with fewer than 6 or 8 items? No, that's what self checkout is for (now). I used to see those around a bit, but it's usually like 12- 20 items, and those lines are only ever open during the super busy times. If it's slower and there are only 2 cashiers open, you're gonna have a long wait. Not to mention that half the shoppers can’t friggin count
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Post by bean29 on Sept 6, 2019 14:21:23 GMT -5
Are the going to outlaw the apps you use at Walmart & Sams club to self checkout from your phone too? I have used Sam’s Club’s app a few times & like it, DN likes the Walmart app.
Is there any backpush on the union? I imagine there is a good number of people that like self check out.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2019 14:58:28 GMT -5
Are the going to outlaw the apps you use at Walmart & Sams club to self checkout from your phone too? I have used Sam’s Club’s app a few times & like it, DN likes the Walmart app. Is there any backpush on the union? I imagine there is a good number of people that like self check out. "... outlaw ... too?" The initiative limits the number of self checkout stations, it outlaws nothing. The apps you mention are an interesting additional piece to look at.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 19:19:14 GMT -5
I probably also deal with fewer complaints from people with a handful of items who are buried in lines behind people with overflowing carts.
You don't have quick check out for people with fewer than 6 or 8 items? Yeah, it's filled with a long line of people that think 12 yogurts counts as 1 item. ">
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 6, 2019 20:51:05 GMT -5
What if I only want to buy one banana or one small onion? Every single thing has a bar code affixed to it? How about one sticky bun or one bagel? How do you buy one bun now? Does someone manually look it up at the check out? The bakery, deli and meat dept in our grocery store package and mark individual packages, so if you just got one bun it would be barcoded. Bananas and most produce do have individual barcodes, there's at least a couple on each bundle of bananas anyhow so you could break off one that had a code. You take one out of the bin at the store and put it in a bag. Then you use the item look up at the register. The items are listed alphabetically broken up by letter groups or you can use the popular items look up. Easy peasy. No human needed.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 7, 2019 7:06:34 GMT -5
How do you buy one bun now? Does someone manually look it up at the check out? The bakery, deli and meat dept in our grocery store package and mark individual packages, so if you just got one bun it would be barcoded. Bananas and most produce do have individual barcodes, there's at least a couple on each bundle of bananas anyhow so you could break off one that had a code. You take one out of the bin at the store and put it in a bag. Then you use the item look up at the register. The items are listed alphabetically broken up by letter groups or you can use the popular items look up. Easy peasy. No human needed. Or eat it before you get to register!! Sorry I couldn't resist since I have seen someone start eating theirs the minute they took it out of the case! I often wondered if she paid for it. Not like I'm gonna follow her around to see but it struck me as funny.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 7, 2019 9:17:39 GMT -5
You take one out of the bin at the store and put it in a bag. Then you use the item look up at the register. The items are listed alphabetically broken up by letter groups or you can use the popular items look up. Easy peasy. No human needed. Or eat it before you get to register!! Sorry I couldn't resist since I have seen someone start eating theirs the minute they took it out of the case! I often wondered if she paid for it. Not like I'm gonna follow her around to see but it struck me as funny. Reminds me of an episode of Roseanne. She hands Becky a half eaten bag of grapes and tells her to charge her for 3 grapes. Then Crystal says she had 4 grapes, charge her for those. The look on Becky's face was priceless.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 7, 2019 9:28:01 GMT -5
Oregon minimum wage is $11.25 an hr. This is what happens when you take low skilled jobs and demand to overcompensate them. Now those jobs are being replaced. So the people who only wanted an easy part-time job is out of luck they are going away. Do states with lower minimum wage rates not have self check out in their stores? Tennessee's minimum wage is $7.25. Self checkout everywhere.
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