dondub
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Post by dondub on Aug 1, 2019 11:23:00 GMT -5
And racist?
The majority of the citizens in each state that would have accessed Medicaid were Black.
Was fiscal conservatism a legit reason? That ship sailed under Reagan and was blown to smithereens under W.
And did the head Repo-Con vow to make the Black POTUS a one termer? Why yes.
And although we used to have a poster that was adamant that 2 + 2 did not = 4 I’m in the camp that does.
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Post by hurley1980 on Aug 1, 2019 11:39:55 GMT -5
Ya know what? My premiums went up a bit, and I have a higher deductible now. But I really don't care because some kid with cancer can't be denied now for having a pre-existing condition. I'd rather help out my fellow citizens that the corporate fat cats. But hey, that's just me.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 1, 2019 11:49:28 GMT -5
Let's go like Norway, free health, free education, short work hours, you will pay a little more in taxes. only about $100,000 per household.
Want a car? The taxes on that car can run 100% over the cost of the car. That free college, They determine if you get the degree you want, ever wonder why you have so many foreign student here, where it cost for an education. Innovation? what is the last innovative product that you have seen come out of Norway??
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 1, 2019 11:59:35 GMT -5
I knew this would take a racist turn before long,, Yep, the now new DNC slogan now the Russia thing is dead,,
Racist, racist, racist,,, Yes they were weren’t they. Thanks for your astute verification . By the way Ramon is a diehard liberal both he and his wife absolutely hate Trump. And I am out the door to work on another extreme Liberal's place right now, I have already posted His FIL was a super delegate for Obama out of California. Always interesting conversations. He has been my customer for 31 years,, figure that one out.
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Post by ednkris on Aug 1, 2019 12:08:17 GMT -5
i'm giving they went down due to a republican president. Who started unraveling all the bullcrap that the previous administration did. i know Obama is your hero but not mine You should probably look for another explanation. NOTHING happened "as soon as Trump took office". It is possible that there was later a change in your plan (or that you have a different plan) so that it now covers nowhere near what your earlier policy was required to cover, but costs have continued to go up for anything which is comparable to prior plans. nope same plan same benefits. Employer sponsored they still payed the same 75 percent of the premium. When the benefit enrollment came out with the decreases the administrator said the change was due to some deregulation that the new administration did what i do not know but i sure am liking the new price.
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Post by ednkris on Aug 1, 2019 12:12:28 GMT -5
You should probably look for another explanation. NOTHING happened "as soon as Trump took office". It is possible that there was later a change in your plan (or that you have a different plan) so that it now covers nowhere near what your earlier policy was required to cover, but costs have continued to go up for anything which is comparable to prior plans. Don't even try. His premiums magically went down after President Trump was elected. It wouldn't matter if President Obama gave him free health insurance and paid him too, he would berate him. No your wrong. if we did get the 2500 less in cost per household, and if my insurance didn't go up drastically i would have said good. But peoples premiums did go up, people did lose their dr, people did lose their ins. You are the one who doesn't want to see the bad side of it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 1, 2019 12:24:00 GMT -5
Let's go like Norway, free health, free education, short work hours, you will pay a little more in taxes. only about $100,000 per household.
Want a car? The taxes on that car can run 100% over the cost of the car. That free college, They determine if you get the degree you want, ever wonder why you have so many foreign student here, where it cost for an education. Innovation? what is the last innovative product that you have seen come out of Norway??
Sovereignman? Lol! What a spectacular load of crap! The average household doesn't even MAKE $100,000 a year, but have to pay $100,000? Yeah, that makes sense. The average salary in Oslo, Norway is currently around 28000 NOK per month after taxes. That is around 3500 USD per month, and one of the highest average salaries for European capitals. checkinprice.com/average-minimum-salary-in-oslo-norway/Money, while it cannot buy happiness, is an important means to achieving higher living standards. In Norway, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 35 725 a year, higher than the OECD average of USD 33 604 a year. www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/norway/Furthermore, Mr "Sovereignman" claims that Norway is "as socialist as it gets". More bullshit. Capitalism is thriving in Norway. Many people own businesses. That's not socialism.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 1, 2019 14:05:49 GMT -5
Why should I listen to a blogger named Sovereignman, anyway? He wants people to not spend one thin dime to make other peoples lives better, or the community better. He sounds like a selfish little dick.
And clearly, he's a liar.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 1, 2019 14:39:15 GMT -5
good reason for medicare for all. Don acts like ACA is the most wonderful thing in the World,, It is not,, lots of problems.. the deductible is one of them! My friend Ramon,, pays every month into ACA,,,, say it entitles him to a phone call. that's about it!
I'm open to listening to any solution Republicans have for a more care at better prices. I haven't even seen a suggestion other than importing pharmaceuticals - which may decrease some problems, but does nothing for most of the problems. Seriously, I am all ears. Convince me the GOP can solve this.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 1, 2019 15:20:26 GMT -5
Don acts like ACA is the most wonderful thing in the World,, It is not,, lots of problems.. the deductible is one of them! My friend Ramon,, pays every month into ACA,,,, say it entitles him to a phone call. that's about it!
I'm open to listening to any solution Republicans have for a more care at better prices. I haven't even seen a suggestion other than importing pharmaceuticals - which may decrease some problems, but does nothing for most of the problems. Seriously, I am all ears. Convince me the GOP can solve this. Lately the GOP doesn't seem to be about solving things, they seem intent on going back to the 1950's, when women and colored people knew their places, white males got the best jobs, and gays didn't exist.
Insurance wasn't a problem then, everyone who mattered worked for a good corporation who paid for it, and they covered their wives and kids, too. Only hobos and drunks couldn't get insurance.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 1, 2019 20:14:17 GMT -5
Don acts like ACA is the most wonderful thing in the World,, It is not,, lots of problems.. the deductible is one of them! My friend Ramon,, pays every month into ACA,,,, say it entitles him to a phone call. that's about it!
I'm open to listening to any solution Republicans have for a more care at better prices. I haven't even seen a suggestion other than importing pharmaceuticals - which may decrease some problems, but does nothing for most of the problems. Seriously, I am all ears. Convince me the GOP can solve this. I am in the same boat you are, I don't see any easy, if any solution.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 1, 2019 20:18:30 GMT -5
Let's say tomorrow your taxes go to 50% of your income, all of your income,,with no deductions,
You would get free medical, and college. Are you ready to do that?
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dondub
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Post by dondub on Aug 1, 2019 20:46:43 GMT -5
Let's say tomorrow your taxes go to 50% of your income, all of your income,,with no deductions,
You would get free medical, and college. Are you ready to do that?
Stop bullshitting. Raise taxes back to pre-Reagan levels on the top 10%. If they don’t like it they can ‘go back to the countries they came from’. Then cut defense spending 50% and stop being a rogue nation under the phony umbrella of ‘spreading Democracy’. Voila’!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 1, 2019 20:51:08 GMT -5
What if we tax everyone equally, every one pay the same percentage, say 50% no deduction and on all income.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 1, 2019 20:53:33 GMT -5
To make sure that the Treasury has enough to operate debt, free, A healthy tax on net worth, for every one!
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 1, 2019 20:54:29 GMT -5
Thought this was interesting...posted on another board by a Canadian resident...were also discussing insurance costs there too....
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 1, 2019 20:54:35 GMT -5
You want free stuff, now it will cost you to get free stuff.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 1, 2019 21:00:29 GMT -5
Thought this was interesting...posted on another board by a Canadian resident...were also discussing insurance costs there too.... How much in taxes were paid to get to that point,, I am pretty sure your medical teams, hospital, and physical therapy teams were paid more than 200 Canadian.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 1, 2019 21:02:54 GMT -5
Thought this was interesting...posted on another board by a Canadian resident...were also discussing insurance costs there too.... $200 CDN? That's too much. My BIL had the exact same thing and it didn't cost him a penny.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 1, 2019 22:43:15 GMT -5
What if we tax everyone equally, every one pay the same percentage, say 50% no deduction and on all income. We pay the average tax rate of other developed countries (all of which have some level of Universal Health Care). Maybe our politicians shouldn't be so shitty with money.
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Post by bean29 on Aug 1, 2019 22:46:47 GMT -5
If the rest of the world can negotiate the price paid for drugs, why can’t we. The USA is paying extra so everyone else can have affordable drugs. Why? What are we getting in return? We all know the answer is nothing. Lobbyists are paying congress so they can keep it this way.
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Post by ednkris on Aug 2, 2019 11:10:43 GMT -5
I don't think I would want to be worked on in a teaching hospital. Look students here is a sucker watch when we poke him here see what his body does ---no thank you.
My wife had back surgery this year 13 weeks of therapy total cost 93k out of pocket 3k. It may not be 200 but she sure wasn't a lab cadaver
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 2, 2019 12:00:45 GMT -5
I don't think I would want to be worked on in a teaching hospital. Look students here is a sucker watch when we poke him here see what his body does ---no thank you. My wife had back surgery this year 13 weeks of therapy total cost 93k out of pocket 3k. It may not be 200 but she sure wasn't a lab cadaver I'm a nurse, and if I need care, I much prefer to go to a teaching hospital. But what do I know? I'm just in the medical field.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 2, 2019 12:06:56 GMT -5
I don't think I would want to be worked on in a teaching hospital. Look students here is a sucker watch when we poke him here see what his body does ---no thank you. My wife had back surgery this year 13 weeks of therapy total cost 93k out of pocket 3k. It may not be 200 but she sure wasn't a lab cadaver I'm a nurse, and if I need care, I much prefer to go to a teaching hospital. But what do I know? I'm just in the medical field. I do too after working for a university attached to one. They are (usually) the most up to date on things because the research is happening right next door and the students come out with the most up to date information on health care.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 2, 2019 12:09:31 GMT -5
I'm a nurse, and if I need care, I much prefer to go to a teaching hospital. But what do I know? I'm just in the medical field. I do too after working for a university attached to one. They are (usually) the most up to date on things because the research is happening right next door and the students come out with the most up to date information on health care. Yep. They have the best doctors, high tech, and state of the art equipment.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 2, 2019 12:16:29 GMT -5
I don't think I would want to be worked on in a teaching hospital. Look students here is a sucker watch when we poke him here see what his body does ---no thank you. My wife had back surgery this year 13 weeks of therapy total cost 93k out of pocket 3k. It may not be 200 but she sure wasn't a lab cadaver If you prefer going to a rinky-dink hospital, where doctors are doing the exact same thing they were doing 40 years ago, be my guest. You'll probably come out alive. However, I prefer hospitals with cutting-edge technology, highly trained professionals, or even experimental treatment options.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 13:17:37 GMT -5
I like the spirit behind the bill but I don't think it is very practical or very fair, it seems to reward those that borrowed more and were more irresponsible. I like the suggestion to be able to get rid of them through claiming bankruptcy better. Exactly... It's kind of like bailing out the homeowners, not that long ago, that were underwater on their mortgages. (harp) Those who bought the biggest houses with the biggest debt, were receiving tax payer bailouts. Not very fair, considering that a lot of those people being bailed out, were being paid for by the taxes collected from people who chose a cheaper/smaller house in case things got a little rough. Where's the responsibility for your own decision ?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 2, 2019 13:20:47 GMT -5
I don't think I would want to be worked on in a teaching hospital. Look students here is a sucker watch when we poke him here see what his body does ---no thank you. My wife had back surgery this year 13 weeks of therapy total cost 93k out of pocket 3k. It may not be 200 but she sure wasn't a lab cadaver You really don’t have any experience with teaching hospitals do you? You’d prefer a dr who has been doing tbe same thing the same way for 40 years? When DH was diagnosed with cancer, we went to the UW for a second test/ diagnosis. It was state of the art. The dr asked if it was OK for one medical student to observe.
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Post by dondub on Aug 2, 2019 13:28:45 GMT -5
I like the spirit behind the bill but I don't think it is very practical or very fair, it seems to reward those that borrowed more and were more irresponsible. I like the suggestion to be able to get rid of them through claiming bankruptcy better. Exactly... It's kind of like bailing out the homeowners, not that long ago, that were underwater on their mortgages. (harp) Those who bought the biggest houses with the biggest debt, were receiving tax payer bailouts. Not very fair, considering that a lot of those people being bailed out, were being paid for by the taxes collected from people who chose a cheaper/smaller house in case things got a little rough. Where's the responsibility for your own decision ? I found $7.8 billion for underwater mortgages. I found $12.7 trillion for underwater banks.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 2, 2019 13:44:58 GMT -5
I don't think I would want to be worked on in a teaching hospital. Look students here is a sucker watch when we poke him here see what his body does ---no thank you. My wife had back surgery this year 13 weeks of therapy total cost 93k out of pocket 3k. It may not be 200 but she sure wasn't a lab cadaver You really don’t have any experience with teaching hospitals do you? You’d prefer a dr who has been doing tbe same thing the same way for 40 years?When DH was diagnosed with cancer, we went to the UW for a second test/ diagnosis. It was state of the art. The dr asked if it was OK for one medical student to observe. Well, if ednkris wants a large open gash from stem to stern, as opposed to minimally invasive keyhole cardiac surgery.....let him.
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