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Post by dezii on May 29, 2019 13:51:48 GMT -5
I concede his base will support and vote for him no matter what...any proven bad things done by him ever do not resonate with those folks...From what I have read, it seems in % of voters it hovers around , say, 36%, give or take a point or two either way...Since it is all about the electorial vote...does he have or does he have not enough of those.. His support among the GOP seems to be close to 90%...it means unaffiliated and the moderates will be the answer as well as minorities...blacks, latins...and Dems, who ever their parties candidate is , even if their main choice is not that... Very hard to defeat a sitting President with all that that entails...even with, IMHO, the baggage our present POTUS seems to carry with him...being added to daily. [Remember I said IMHO] ------------------------------------------------------ I have also posted here very early on that I question if he loses the 2020 election, if he will leave quietly as all formers have....Now I add , I wonder if he would ride with whoever is the elected POTUS to the swearing in ceremony or some how make a excuse, sickness or similar ..or possible just refuse and not even be at that ceremony...possible buying time for his own address from where ever ...possible at same time as the new President is sworn in or giving his inauguration address...even to the leaving a private letter for the new President that has been done recently by the former for the new. Just wondering....especially since with the Donald...his personal attacks on who ever are so out there.;..then to be sitting next to ones opponent in a closed vehicle...kinda out there...again IMHO. Why such negative fantasies? Remember when Obama leaned over and told Putin in a quiet voice, after he is re-elected they could work together? Maybe Obama did. He might be the Russian co-conspirator plant you are looking for. Are you listening to your hired help who are worried they will be deported? hired help?? You mean Yavann my aid....without her I would not be able to stay in my home....She is from Jamaica...legal as u are...a citizen...votes and all..been here for years and years...Her feelings on the Donald...? LOL....don't ask.... As long as u are commentating...how about a answer on my thoughts if he would ride with his opponent or even appear at the swearing in....I think it is a legitimate question...the man u have to admit does not stand on ceremony or does the expected what ever and he really goes after whoever viciously...so to just let bygons be bygones...I don't see it.
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Post by dezii on May 29, 2019 14:06:29 GMT -5
I concede his base will support and vote for him no matter what...any proven bad things done by him ever do not resonate with those folks...From what I have read, it seems in % of voters it hovers around , say, 36%, give or take a point or two either way...Since it is all about the electorial vote...does he have or does he have not enough of those.. His support among the GOP seems to be close to 90%...it means unaffiliated and the moderates will be the answer as well as minorities...blacks, latins...and Dems, who ever their parties candidate is , even if their main choice is not that... Very hard to defeat a sitting President with all that that entails...even with, IMHO, the baggage our present POTUS seems to carry with him...being added to daily. [Remember I said IMHO] ------------------------------------------------------ I have also posted here very early on that I question if he loses the 2020 election, if he will leave quietly as all formers have....Now I add , I wonder if he would ride with whoever is the elected POTUS to the swearing in ceremony or some how make a excuse, sickness or similar ..or possible just refuse and not even be at that ceremony...possible buying time for his own address from where ever ...possible at same time as the new President is sworn in or giving his inauguration address...even to the leaving a private letter for the new President that has been done recently by the former for the new. Just wondering....especially since with the Donald...his personal attacks on who ever are so out there.;..then to be sitting next to ones opponent in a closed vehicle...kinda out there...again IMHO. If he rode in the car with Obama, he can ride with anyone. You have nothing to worry about. He wasn't running against Obama and the majority of his vicious mutterings was directed against GOP candidates and then Hillery.....so the ride with Obama was easy / Peasy….The BS started with the ignaugeration address.... Not worried about such a ride ….as long as he is riding with the newly elected POTUS....I just brought up a possible scenario of what might happen and with this one , my suggestion is not so far fetched...To appear publicly with some one who defeated him.,..not something I see Donald wanting any part of...
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Post by djAdvocate on May 29, 2019 14:07:02 GMT -5
the thing is that Democrats almost never talk about reducing the deficit, let alone paying off the debt.
it is one of two reasons why I have not voted for any federal Democratic candidate since 1996.
I don't think anyone really cares about the deficit anymore. I don't know if this is an issue that can get any traction with voters. Who will take them seriously anyways?
not me.
it was part of the Newt Gingrich Contract With America, and it is the ONLY plank the GOP didn't really even attempt to fulfill. that was the end for me in terms of serious consideration from the GOP side on this issue. Clinton was the only one who did anything about it, and that was a quarter century ago, now.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 29, 2019 14:08:29 GMT -5
Bush himself doubled the debt so expect x to mention that too.😎 and Reagan TRIPLED it. he started it all, with his drool down knuckle dragging economics for dummies.
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Post by happyhoix on May 29, 2019 14:26:52 GMT -5
I did not 'bring up the women.'
I brought up people who support a woman's right to chose. Funnily enough, there are lots of men who believe women have the right to chose, and there are lots of women who think women DON'T have a right to chose.
People who strongly believe I a woman's right to chose may come out to vote against Trump just because they hate his guts. People who strongly believe abortion should be illegal may come out to vote FOR Trump, just for that reason. In this case, Trump loses, because about 70% of the country believes women should have the right to chose up until the third trimester.
There are also single issue voters who will vote against Trump because of his active work against the environment and climate change. And others who vote solely because they are pissed off at how he's tried to kick out brown immigrants.
This whole election will come down to who is more motivated - Trump supporters who want to make all abortions illegal, or who think they're financially benefiting from this president, or anti-Trump voters who hate everything about him.
Quote; There are some single issue Pro-Choice voters who will come out and vote against Trump and the GOP simply due to the current threat they perceive against women.
ymam.proboards.com/post/3005079
OK, let me explain how this works.
It's possible for men to be concerned about the anti-abortionists threat against women. I know! Crazy, isn't it, that there are MEN out there who want women to be able to determine what happens to their own body?
Who would have ever thought that to be possible?
But it's true - so your assumption that only WOMEN would vote based on their pro-choice beliefs is completely, terrible, undeniably wrong.
Of course, there are also men out there who are single issue voters AGAINST choice. Just like there are single issue women voters who are also AGAINST choice. In fact, it's really, really wrong to assume all men are against choice and all women are for it.
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Post by Value Buy on May 29, 2019 15:03:30 GMT -5
Why such negative fantasies? Remember when Obama leaned over and told Putin in a quiet voice, after he is re-elected they could work together? Maybe Obama did. He might be the Russian co-conspirator plant you are looking for. Are you listening to your hired help who are worried they will be deported? hired help?? You mean Yavann my aid....without her I would not be able to stay in my home....She is from Jamaica...legal as u are...a citizen...votes and all..been here for years and years...Her feelings on the Donald...? LOL....don't ask.... As long as u are commentating...how about a answer on my thoughts if he would ride with his opponent or even appear at the swearing in....I think it is a legitimate question...the man u have to admit does not stand on ceremony or does the expected what ever and he really goes after whoever viciously...so to just let bygons be bygones...I don't see it. Like I said, it is your fantasy, not mine. One. does not matter. He will be re-elected. Two, refer to #1
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Post by tbop77 on May 29, 2019 15:59:59 GMT -5
Still doesn't address the issue of the debt President Trump said he would have paid off in 8 years...but instead is running trillion dollar deficits. Nor does it address Obama running up a 10 trillion dollar deficit. Not talking about it makes it like it didn't happen ? Yeah, that smuck! Instead of trying to save the economy from going over the cliff, he should have been worrying about paying down the debt!
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Post by ednkris on May 29, 2019 20:35:27 GMT -5
i am fully aware of Trumps shortcomings as president. The fact is none of it amounts to a pot of beans let alone any of the end of times stuff that the left is pushing. It just kills the left that the country is doing so much better under Trump than Obama. What bothers me is that anyone is so gullible or dishonest as to believe/promote that ideology... millions of people must be so gullible.... the left thinks that the us Trump supports are so blind, gullible, dishonest, that we can't see right from wrong.....us Trump supports think the left, wait yup we think the same thing about the left
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Post by oped on May 29, 2019 20:39:35 GMT -5
Yet the objective facts prove you are incorrect. By what possible objective measurement would you claim the country is better off under Trump than Obama.
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Post by dezii on May 29, 2019 23:02:29 GMT -5
hired help?? You mean Yavann my aid....without her I would not be able to stay in my home....She is from Jamaica...legal as u are...a citizen...votes and all..been here for years and years...Her feelings on the Donald...? LOL....don't ask.... As long as u are commentating...how about a answer on my thoughts if he would ride with his opponent or even appear at the swearing in....I think it is a legitimate question...the man u have to admit does not stand on ceremony or does the expected what ever and he really goes after whoever viciously...so to just let bygons be bygones...I don't see it. Like I said, it is your fantasy, not mine. One. does not matter. He will be re-elected. Two, refer to #1 "He will be re-elected." Well since 2016 taught me anything can happen in politics...personally for my kids sake , grand kids and eventually their possible offspring..I sincerely hope u are wrong ...If still alive after the 2020 election and your suggestion does not come about....will u stay with us and allow the barbs and slings of opposite feelings rain down on u...As a gentle soul I promise for my part to be gentle... Actually not a fantasy...just a thought on my part on how I would not be surprised in his actions if he lost the election.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 30, 2019 11:57:38 GMT -5
What bothers me is that anyone is so gullible or dishonest as to believe/promote that ideology... millions of people must be so gullible.... the left thinks that the us Trump supports are so blind, gullible, dishonest, that we can't see right from wrong.....us Trump supports think the left, wait yup we think the same thing about the left that is as kind as it gets, ed.
the alternative is that you KNOW he is a lying sack of shit who wants to destroy our government, and you simply don't care.
edit: it looks like dem beat me to it.
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Post by dezii on May 30, 2019 12:39:55 GMT -5
I don't think anyone really cares about the deficit anymore. I don't know if this is an issue that can get any traction with voters. Who will take them seriously anyways?
I think this is right, no candidate cares and the ones harping on it previously are silent now. I’m pretty dejected as a voter, I feel like we are headed into major trouble with the deficit/debt and no matter who I vote for nothing will be done on it until we are in an extreme emergency. The next 08 has the potential to be worse than the Great Depression. The debt continues to grow...just the interest alone must be close to a point as the biggest yearly cost...Not being a economist I am just winging it but believe it will continue to grow...our own fault as public for the most part want things...whether entitlements by the liberals or stronger and stronger defense items by the conservatives....until it gets to the point it over whelms us...then who ever in power, what ever party...will start thinking that won't honor our paper..renage on our debt...possible promise to pay a fraction of the debt...little interest and see where that gets us...
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Post by weltschmerz on May 30, 2019 12:59:47 GMT -5
millions of people must be so gullible.... the left thinks that the us Trump supports are so blind, gullible, dishonest, that we can't see right from wrong.....us Trump supports think the left, wait yup we think the same thing about the left that is as kind as it gets, ed.
the alternative is that you KNOW he is a lying sack of shit who wants to destroy our government, and you simply don't care.
edit: it looks like dem beat me to it.
The USA is slipping closer and closer to Idiocracy by the minute. "Brawndo! It's got what plants crave!" as vast fields of plants wither and die, resulting in massive food shortages.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 30, 2019 15:59:36 GMT -5
Sounds like a few people we know.
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Post by oped on May 30, 2019 16:47:58 GMT -5
“Cathy Garnaat, a Republican who supported Amash and the president said she was upset about Amash’s position but wanted to hear his reasoning. She said that she will definitely support Trump in 2020 but that Tuesday night was the first time she had heard that the Mueller report didn’t completely exonerate the president. “I was surprised to hear there was anything negative in the Mueller report at all about President Trump. I hadn’t heard that before," she said. "I’ve mainly listened to conservative news and I hadn’t heard anything negative about that report and President Trump has been exonerated." Cheryl Wanless, a Republican who has supported Amash, said she was confused by his position but after hearing him speak, doesn't “have a problem proceeding with" impeachment.” www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/republican-justin-amash-stands-position-start-impeachment-proceedings-despite-criticism-n1011176
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Post by happyhoix on May 30, 2019 17:56:35 GMT -5
“Cathy Garnaat, a Republican who supported Amash and the president said she was upset about Amash’s position but wanted to hear his reasoning. She said that she will definitely support Trump in 2020 but that Tuesday night was the first time she had heard that the Mueller report didn’t completely exonerate the president. “I was surprised to hear there was anything negative in the Mueller report at all about President Trump. I hadn’t heard that before," she said. "I’ve mainly listened to conservative news and I hadn’t heard anything negative about that report and President Trump has been exonerated." Cheryl Wanless, a Republican who has supported Amash, said she was confused by his position but after hearing him speak, doesn't “have a problem proceeding with" impeachment.” www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/republican-justin-amash-stands-position-start-impeachment-proceedings-despite-criticism-n1011176Goes back to the poll that showed Fox channel viewers are less knowledgeable about national and world events than other news consumers.
My MIL and SIL are prime examples of that.
Even if they just watched Fox NEWS they would be better informed, but no, they just like watching Fox and Friends and the other talking heads.
It's 99% of why Trumpettes still think Trump's great. Walter Cronkite would have set them straight.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 30, 2019 19:47:23 GMT -5
“Cathy Garnaat, a Republican who supported Amash and the president said she was upset about Amash’s position but wanted to hear his reasoning. She said that she will definitely support Trump in 2020 but that Tuesday night was the first time she had heard that the Mueller report didn’t completely exonerate the president. “I was surprised to hear there was anything negative in the Mueller report at all about President Trump. I hadn’t heard that before," she said. "I’ve mainly listened to conservative news and I hadn’t heard anything negative about that report and President Trump has been exonerated." Cheryl Wanless, a Republican who has supported Amash, said she was confused by his position but after hearing him speak, doesn't “have a problem proceeding with" impeachment.” www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/republican-justin-amash-stands-position-start-impeachment-proceedings-despite-criticism-n1011176jesus H. 1/3 of the adult population in this country is completely uninformed.
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Post by ednkris on May 30, 2019 21:12:45 GMT -5
millions of people must be so gullible.... the left thinks that the us Trump supports are so blind, gullible, dishonest, that we can't see right from wrong.....us Trump supports think the left, wait yup we think the same thing about the left Actually I quite firmly believe that many of you know and don't care, and frankly I think that is even more unfortunate. no that is what you want to think. We don't make mountain out of mole hills. See something that is not there ie raping a 13 yr old. Bankruptcy that is part of restructuring a business all legal. As far as morality cheating that I don't care i gave Clinton a pass that is none of my concern
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Post by happyhoix on May 31, 2019 7:12:58 GMT -5
Actually I quite firmly believe that many of you know and don't care, and frankly I think that is even more unfortunate. no that is what you want to think. We don't make mountain out of mole hills. See something that is not there ie raping a 13 yr old. Bankruptcy that is part of restructuring a business all legal. As far as morality cheating that I don't care i gave Clinton a pass that is none of my concern Since you're so against mole hills, what is your opinion of arresting and jailing Clinton for treason for using an unsecured server? How many congressional investigations do you think are required to establish her guilt? I think we're up to seven? Or was it eleven?
Then, please explain why so many of Trump's cabinet members, WH staff and family have not been arrested and imprisoned for lax computer security? Are mountains mole hills when some people make them, and mountains when others make them? How do we know which are criminal and treasonous and which are simply 'oops' events?
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Post by oped on May 31, 2019 7:16:13 GMT -5
Actually I quite firmly believe that many of you know and don't care, and frankly I think that is even more unfortunate. no that is what you want to think. We don't make mountain out of mole hills. See something that is not there ie raping a 13 yr old. Bankruptcy that is part of restructuring a business all legal. As far as morality cheating that I don't care i gave Clinton a pass that is none of my concern You are being fed strawmen and red herrings to distract you from the truths of reality... which you refuse to even look at or acknowledge.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 31, 2019 7:31:44 GMT -5
no that is what you want to think. We don't make mountain out of mole hills. See something that is not there ie raping a 13 yr old. Bankruptcy that is part of restructuring a business all legal. As far as morality cheating that I don't care i gave Clinton a pass that is none of my concern Excuse me, but perhaps that is what YOU want to think. In trump's case, the mole hills do add up to mountains. The man has no moral fiber, and zero integrity. Again, you know, and don't care. I get it Ed. We all get Ed.
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Post by dezii on May 31, 2019 8:45:54 GMT -5
“Cathy Garnaat, a Republican who supported Amash and the president said she was upset about Amash’s position but wanted to hear his reasoning. She said that she will definitely support Trump in 2020 but that Tuesday night was the first time she had heard that the Mueller report didn’t completely exonerate the president. “I was surprised to hear there was anything negative in the Mueller report at all about President Trump. I hadn’t heard that before," she said. "I’ve mainly listened to conservative news and I hadn’t heard anything negative about that report and President Trump has been exonerated." Cheryl Wanless, a Republican who has supported Amash, said she was confused by his position but after hearing him speak, doesn't “have a problem proceeding with" impeachment.” www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/republican-justin-amash-stands-position-start-impeachment-proceedings-despite-criticism-n1011176jesus H. 1/3 of the adult population in this country is completely uninformed. in spades.....
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Post by dezii on May 31, 2019 8:57:49 GMT -5
Actually I quite firmly believe that many of you know and don't care, and frankly I think that is even more unfortunate. no that is what you want to think. We don't make mountain out of mole hills. See something that is not there ie raping a 13 yr old. Bankruptcy that is part of restructuring a business all legal. As far as morality cheating that I don't care i gave Clinton a pass that is none of my concern Feel sorry for u and the raping of a 13 year old...yes a pro, and yes it took place..but still , and three times no less and now is the POTUS doesn't concern u..? You have no woman in your life, wife, daughter, nieces.....Mother? Misleading, not paying sub contractors, many who can't afford not to get paid...need to pay their workers...have no deep pockets to fall back on...and done by him because he can get away with it...has attorneys on his payroll...those he stiffs have to go out and hire...thus even if they win, they lose...and that is legitimate business practices to u..? For what ? Save a few bucks that mean nothing to him...just because? Even now after three years...successes he bosted about....N. Korea...not happening...Disliked around the world by long time allies...Tariffs that seem to be costing us more then them...health care not taken care of...going through top staff like a hot knife through butter and on and on...failure....and he is still your man? Reminds me of those fanatics of Adolf's in the last days of that war hanging on till the last...for what? As I said....feel for ya.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 11:10:27 GMT -5
Here is a link to reply #2 on this thread. ymam.proboards.com/post/3003544Think back on my ditto, etc. Please don't waste time chasing down any numbers if you're busy. So this is your admission that you were intentionally lying? Ah, back to adding conditions to lying. Everyone lies... Everyone.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 11:15:19 GMT -5
If he rode in the car with Obama, he can ride with anyone. You have nothing to worry about. He wasn't running against Obama and the majority of his vicious mutterings was directed against GOP candidates and then Hillery.....so the ride with Obama was easy / Peasy….The BS started with the ignaugeration address.... Not worried about such a ride ….as long as he is riding with the newly elected POTUS....I just brought up a possible scenario of what might happen and with this one , my suggestion is not so far fetched...To appear publicly with some one who defeated him.,..not something I see Donald wanting any part of...
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Quote; There are some single issue Pro-Choice voters who will come out and vote against Trump and the GOP simply due to the current threat they perceive against women.
ymam.proboards.com/post/3005079
OK, let me explain how this works.
It's possible for men to be concerned about the anti-abortionists threat against women. I know! Crazy, isn't it, that there are MEN out there who want women to be able to determine what happens to their own body?
Who would have ever thought that to be possible?
But it's true - so your assumption that only WOMEN would vote based on their pro-choice beliefs is completely, terrible, undeniably wrong.
Of course, there are also men out there who are single issue voters AGAINST choice. Just like there are single issue women voters who are also AGAINST choice. In fact, it's really, really wrong to assume all men are against choice and all women are for it.
May 29, 2019 at 11:24am happyhoix said: I did not 'bring up the women.' Followed by my post showing; Quote; There are some single issue Pro-Choice voters who will come out and vote against Trump and the GOP simply due to the current threat they perceive against women.ymam.proboards.com/post/3005079Now you want to explain what? About women ? About men ? Speed boats ? Peeling oranges ?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 11:37:28 GMT -5
Nor does it address Obama running up a 10 trillion dollar deficit. Not talking about it makes it like it didn't happen ? Yeah, that smuck! Instead of trying to save the economy from going over the cliff, he should have been worrying about paying down the debt! Yeah that's it. Fit's right in with the point being discussed of campaign promises. I for one used to love Smucker's jellies when I was a kid. (bolded) The grape was my favorite.
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Post by dezii on May 31, 2019 13:55:37 GMT -5
He wasn't running against Obama and the majority of his vicious mutterings was directed against GOP candidates and then Hillery.....so the ride with Obama was easy / Peasy….The BS started with the ignaugeration address.... Not worried about such a ride ….as long as he is riding with the newly elected POTUS....I just brought up a possible scenario of what might happen and with this one , my suggestion is not so far fetched...To appear publicly with some one who defeated him.,..not something I see Donald wanting any part of...
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Post by happyhoix on May 31, 2019 14:05:15 GMT -5
OK, let me explain how this works.
It's possible for men to be concerned about the anti-abortionists threat against women. I know! Crazy, isn't it, that there are MEN out there who want women to be able to determine what happens to their own body?
Who would have ever thought that to be possible?
But it's true - so your assumption that only WOMEN would vote based on their pro-choice beliefs is completely, terrible, undeniably wrong.
Of course, there are also men out there who are single issue voters AGAINST choice. Just like there are single issue women voters who are also AGAINST choice. In fact, it's really, really wrong to assume all men are against choice and all women are for it.
May 29, 2019 at 11:24am happyhoix said: I did not 'bring up the women.' Followed by my post showing; Quote; There are some single issue Pro-Choice voters who will come out and vote against Trump and the GOP simply due to the current threat they perceive against women.ymam.proboards.com/post/3005079Now you want to explain what? About women ? About men ? Speed boats ? Peeling oranges ? Nope, little x, you have fun doing what you do best.
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