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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 9:41:53 GMT -5
The personal pecadillos is all they got right now. All one has to do is compare the outlandish maybes vs what actually has been happening. The whole Democrat conversation revolves around 'this might happen' then it never does. Actually he's been somewhat mediocre in substance, with good moves for the economy overall.At what expense? When is he going to start talking about the debt he was going to have paid off in 8 years? Right after the Dems come up with a plan to pay off Obama's 10 trillion ?
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Post by oped on May 29, 2019 9:46:57 GMT -5
You stated ‘I believe the dollar amount is more than all the contributions to the women Democrat candidates combined.’
The article obviously refuted this with you know facts...
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Post by Value Buy on May 29, 2019 9:48:13 GMT -5
They're going to vote for him also. I concede his base will support and vote for him no matter what...any proven bad things done by him ever do not resonate with those folks...From what I have read, it seems in % of voters it hovers around , say, 36%, give or take a point or two either way...Since it is all about the electorial vote...does he have or does he have not enough of those.. His support among the GOP seems to be close to 90%...it means unaffiliated and the moderates will be the answer as well as minorities...blacks, latins...and Dems, who ever their parties candidate is , even if their main choice is not that... Very hard to defeat a sitting President with all that that entails...even with, IMHO, the baggage our present POTUS seems to carry with him...being added to daily. [Remember I said IMHO] ------------------------------------------------------ I have also posted here very early on that I question if he loses the 2020 election, if he will leave quietly as all formers have....Now I add , I wonder if he would ride with whoever is the elected POTUS to the swearing in ceremony or some how make a excuse, sickness or similar ..or possible just refuse and not even be at that ceremony...possible buying time for his own address from where ever ...possible at same time as the new President is sworn in or giving his inauguration address...even to the leaving a private letter for the new President that has been done recently by the former for the new. Just wondering....especially since with the Donald...his personal attacks on who ever are so out there.;..then to be sitting next to ones opponent in a closed vehicle...kinda out there...again IMHO. Why such negative fantasies? Remember when Obama leaned over and told Putin in a quiet voice, after he is re-elected they could work together? Maybe Obama did. He might be the Russian co-conspirator plant you are looking for. Are you listening to your hired help who are worried they will be deported?
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Post by oped on May 29, 2019 9:53:33 GMT -5
What weight it holds depends on the mood of the Congress and the electorate. Both are illegal, and both are prosecutable. Yes, you did say constant message, my error. (given that much of his message IS on social media) However my point remains. I don't believe his constant message (propaganda) moves many people. It does reinforce his image to his supporters, some of whom laugh with him when they know he is just spouting so much BS. So anyway, you credit nothing besides this to his economic work? I find that rather sad. Anybody can talk on a soapbox. I think I could muster a better argument for his economic agenda than that. His tax cuts, and his anti- regulatory campaigns, etc. Actually, what I really credit him for is Supreme Court Justice picks, And judge choices in general. You've probably heard me say this before. His actual maneuvers on the economy are mostly mediocre. Fundamentals are good, and as long as there is no big changes in relation to the economy size, things will move along nicely, people will have jobs/future. You understand you won’t get what you want Supreme Court wise? We ain’t fucking going back. No way in hell is the economic center of this country going to be dictated to by old white makes. The union breaks before that happens. Unless... there is a depression... maybe that’s the actual fucking point.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 29, 2019 10:19:35 GMT -5
of course he could. I give him a 30% chance of winning. about the same as I gave him three years ago.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 29, 2019 10:21:41 GMT -5
The status quo is pretty good.. ya know, if you be a straight white rich dude... Well, I could have posted the article where Ratner claims Trump will be re-elected because of three polls he has available, but I want to let you down easy for now. Plus, I am not sure if he is just trying to rattle democratic voters and keep them agitated at this point in time so they show up at the polls in the fall of 2020 and then, of course, there is the possibility of massive interference in the elections.
don't discount it.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 29, 2019 10:23:54 GMT -5
At what expense? When is he going to start talking about the debt he was going to have paid off in 8 years? Right after the Dems come up with a plan to pay off Obama's 10 trillion ? the thing is that Democrats almost never talk about reducing the deficit, let alone paying off the debt.
it is one of two reasons why I have not voted for any federal Democratic candidate since 1996.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 10:27:10 GMT -5
Actually, what I really credit him for is Supreme Court Justice picks, And judge choices in general. You've probably heard me say this before. His actual maneuvers on the economy are mostly mediocre. Fundamentals are good, and as long as there is no big changes in relation to the economy size, things will move along nicely, people will have jobs/future. You understand you won’t get what you want Supreme Court wise? We ain’t fucking going back. No way in hell is the economic center of this country going to be dictated to by old white makes. The union breaks before that happens. Unless... there is a depression... maybe that’s the actual fucking point. I never made any mention of what I would want the Supreme court to do, actually not sure myself, as long as it's not going to be something crazy like you see from the far, far, left. (or right) The economic center of this country is so in control of old white males, it would make your head spin if you actually knew the details. The union won't break, it is the union. We don't want a depression, takes money away from us, like everyone else. I'm to old for a recession, buying time expansion. Status quo is good for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 10:40:02 GMT -5
That is why I want 'conservative' judges, as in no big changes.
My take on the S.C. and R v Wade is nothing is going to change.
I'm fine with that.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 10:43:23 GMT -5
You stated ‘I believe the dollar amount is more than all the contributions to the women Democrat candidates combined.’ The article obviously refuted this with you know facts... Ok. Close regardless, and right on point for all those who keep repeating about how women hate Trump, and he's going to lose because of it. Not for that reason. There is no decisive movement, one way or another.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 29, 2019 10:57:34 GMT -5
I hope all Dems running for President follow Biden's example. Don't get in the mud with President Trump and show him for what he is. "The President’s comments are beneath the dignity of the office," Biden's deputy campaign manager, Kate Bedingfield, said in a statement released shortly after Trump returned to the United States. "To be on foreign soil, on Memorial Day, and to side repeatedly with a murderous dictator against a fellow American and former Vice President speaks for itself." "And it’s part of a pattern of embracing autocrats at the expense of our institutions — whether taking Putin’s word at face value in Helsinki or exchanging 'love letters' with Kim Jong Un,” Bedingfield continued, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin and the North Korean leader. www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-campaign-slams-trump-north-korea-comments-n1010951Trump later claimed he was 'actually sticking up for' Biden because what Kim called him was 'worse' and what Trump said was 'softer.'
WTF? I can't tell if he thinks he's being funny or honestly believes that shit.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-and-biden-campaign-trade-jabs-over-north-koreas-remarks/ar-AAC4c5i
Insulting him was "sticking up for him?"
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Post by djAdvocate on May 29, 2019 11:01:05 GMT -5
Insulting him was "sticking up for him?" more like "sticking it to him", right?
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Post by NastyWoman on May 29, 2019 11:08:56 GMT -5
At what expense? When is he going to start talking about the debt he was going to have paid off in 8 years? Right after the Dems come up with a plan to pay off Obama's 10 trillion ? Why is it that posts like these cause visions of Pavlov to dance in my head?
With apologies to those of you who truly go bonkers when reading a Christmas reference in May
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Post by oped on May 29, 2019 11:12:36 GMT -5
You stated ‘I believe the dollar amount is more than all the contributions to the women Democrat candidates combined.’ The article obviously refuted this with you know facts... Ok. Close regardless, and right on point for all those who keep repeating about how women hate Trump, and he's going to lose because of it. Not for that reason. There is no decisive movement, one way or another. No, not close.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 11:23:24 GMT -5
Ok. Close regardless, and right on point for all those who keep repeating about how women hate Trump, and he's going to lose because of it. Not for that reason. There is no decisive movement, one way or another. No, not close.
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Post by happyhoix on May 29, 2019 11:24:54 GMT -5
To you, 'little hot button issues.'
Again, I would recommend you not take the leap in assuming independents will line up behind your political philosophy, because you believe you're omnipotent and therefore know what matters to the rest of American voters.
There are some single issue Pro-Choice voters who will come out and vote against Trump and the GOP simply due to the current threat they perceive against women. They won't give two shits if you think this is simply a 'little hot button issue.' It would be a mistake for the GOP to ignore those voters and all the other 'little hot button issue voters' - they are going to need every single vote they can get, especially since they lost the popular vote by several million votes in 2016.
You keep bringing up the women... I keep showing how much they are supporting him... I did not 'bring up the women.'
I brought up people who support a woman's right to chose. Funnily enough, there are lots of men who believe women have the right to chose, and there are lots of women who think women DON'T have a right to chose.
People who strongly believe I a woman's right to chose may come out to vote against Trump just because they hate his guts. People who strongly believe abortion should be illegal may come out to vote FOR Trump, just for that reason. In this case, Trump loses, because about 70% of the country believes women should have the right to chose up until the third trimester.
There are also single issue voters who will vote against Trump because of his active work against the environment and climate change. And others who vote solely because they are pissed off at how he's tried to kick out brown immigrants.
This whole election will come down to who is more motivated - Trump supporters who want to make all abortions illegal, or who think they're financially benefiting from this president, or anti-Trump voters who hate everything about him.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 11:27:03 GMT -5
Right after the Dems come up with a plan to pay off Obama's 10 trillion ? Why is it that posts like these cause visions of Pavlov to dance in my head?
With apologies to those of you who truly go bonkers when reading a Christmas reference in May
Because obscure posts like these are the only answer, instead of that longshot of finding Democrats, who seldom talk about reducing the deficit ?
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Post by tbop77 on May 29, 2019 11:27:49 GMT -5
At what expense? When is he going to start talking about the debt he was going to have paid off in 8 years? Right after the Dems come up with a plan to pay off Obama's 10 trillion ? I knew I would be "obamaed"
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 11:32:07 GMT -5
You keep bringing up the women... I keep showing how much they are supporting him... I did not 'bring up the women.'
I brought up people who support a woman's right to chose. Funnily enough, there are lots of men who believe women have the right to chose, and there are lots of women who think women DON'T have a right to chose.
People who strongly believe I a woman's right to chose may come out to vote against Trump just because they hate his guts. People who strongly believe abortion should be illegal may come out to vote FOR Trump, just for that reason. In this case, Trump loses, because about 70% of the country believes women should have the right to chose up until the third trimester.
There are also single issue voters who will vote against Trump because of his active work against the environment and climate change. And others who vote solely because they are pissed off at how he's tried to kick out brown immigrants.
This whole election will come down to who is more motivated - Trump supporters who want to make all abortions illegal, or who think they're financially benefiting from this president, or anti-Trump voters who hate everything about him.
Quote; There are some single issue Pro-Choice voters who will come out and vote against Trump and the GOP simply due to the current threat they perceive against women.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 11:32:48 GMT -5
Right after the Dems come up with a plan to pay off Obama's 10 trillion ? I knew I would be "obamaed" Easy to do after eight years of being Bushed ! Expect about 5 1/2 years more.
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Post by tbop77 on May 29, 2019 11:37:32 GMT -5
I knew I would be "obamaed" Easy to do after eight years of Bushed ! Still doesn't address the issue of the debt President Trump said he would have paid off in 8 years...but instead is running trillion dollar deficits.
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Post by bean29 on May 29, 2019 11:37:54 GMT -5
Right after the Dems come up with a plan to pay off Obama's 10 trillion ? the thing is that Democrats almost never talk about reducing the deficit, let alone paying off the debt.
it is one of two reasons why I have not voted for any federal Democratic candidate since 1996.
I don't think anyone really cares about the deficit anymore. I don't know if this is an issue that can get any traction with voters. Who will take them seriously anyways?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 11:41:04 GMT -5
Easy to do after eight years of Bushed ! Still doesn't address the issue of the debt President Trump said he would have paid off in 8 years...but instead is running trillion dollar deficits. Nor does it address Obama running up a 10 trillion dollar deficit. Not talking about it makes it like it didn't happen ?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 11:43:15 GMT -5
the thing is that Democrats almost never talk about reducing the deficit, let alone paying off the debt.
it is one of two reasons why I have not voted for any federal Democratic candidate since 1996.
I don't think anyone really cares about the deficit anymore. I don't know if this is an issue that can get any traction with voters. Who will take them seriously anyways?
I think this is right, no candidate cares and the ones harping on it previously are silent now. I’m pretty dejected as a voter, I feel like we are headed into major trouble with the deficit/debt and no matter who I vote for nothing will be done on it until we are in an extreme emergency. The next 08 has the potential to be worse than the Great Depression.
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Post by oped on May 29, 2019 11:43:55 GMT -5
The article YOU posted said individual women gave trump almost 1.5 million... it then said individual women gave a combined 4.87 million to Harris and Gillibrand... the only 2 dem candidates they bothered to check... so not counting women giving to the rest... I have given personally to at least 3 of the rest... and I’m tutoring so can’t chase don’t the numbers this second, but needless to say, no, not close.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 11:44:26 GMT -5
the thing is that Democrats almost never talk about reducing the deficit, let alone paying off the debt.
it is one of two reasons why I have not voted for any federal Democratic candidate since 1996.
I don't think anyone really cares about the deficit anymore. I don't know if this is an issue that can get any traction with voters. Who will take them seriously anyways?
They should. Won't be a big subject during the election. No one took Trump seriously when he said he would work on the deficit. I sure didn't.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 11:54:02 GMT -5
The article YOU posted said individual women gave trump almost 1.5 million... it then said individual women gave a combined 4.87 million to Harris and Gillibrand... the only 2 dem candidates they bothered to check... so not counting women giving to the rest... I have given personally to at least 3 of the rest... and I’m tutoring so can’t chase don’t the numbers this second, but needless to say, no, not close. Here is a link to reply #2 on this thread. ymam.proboards.com/post/3003544Think back on my ditto, etc. Please don't waste time chasing down any numbers if you're busy.
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Post by oped on May 29, 2019 12:12:06 GMT -5
The article YOU posted said individual women gave trump almost 1.5 million... it then said individual women gave a combined 4.87 million to Harris and Gillibrand... the only 2 dem candidates they bothered to check... so not counting women giving to the rest... I have given personally to at least 3 of the rest... and I’m tutoring so can’t chase don’t the numbers this second, but needless to say, no, not close. Here is a link to reply #2 on this thread. ymam.proboards.com/post/3003544Think back on my ditto, etc. Please don't waste time chasing down any numbers if you're busy. So this is your admission that you were intentionally lying?
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Post by dondub on May 29, 2019 12:17:16 GMT -5
Bush himself doubled the debt so expect x to mention that too.😎
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Post by weltschmerz on May 29, 2019 12:29:04 GMT -5
To you, 'little hot button issues.'
Again, I would recommend you not take the leap in assuming independents will line up behind your political philosophy, because you believe you're omnipotent and therefore know what matters to the rest of American voters.
There are some single issue Pro-Choice voters who will come out and vote against Trump and the GOP simply due to the current threat they perceive against women. They won't give two shits if you think this is simply a 'little hot button issue.' It would be a mistake for the GOP to ignore those voters and all the other 'little hot button issue voters' - they are going to need every single vote they can get, especially since they lost the popular vote by several million votes in 2016.
You keep bringing up the women... I keep showing how much they are supporting him... We brought home a new kitten from the humane shelter yesterday.
After our last two cats were named Gomer and then Barney, this one will be called Opie, in keeping with the TV show tradition. Are you going to cattle-prod this one, as well?
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