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Post by happyhoix on May 28, 2019 11:40:40 GMT -5
i am fully aware of Trumps shortcomings as president. The fact is none of it amounts to a pot of beans let alone any of the end of times stuff that the left is pushing. It just kills the left that the country is doing so much better under Trump than Obama. only, it isn't.
the fact that people THINK it is doing "so much better" is disturbing, imo. there was a study done on Trump voters in 2017. what it showed is that they were the group that was MOST CYNICAL about the economy. it was part of what motivated them to vote for Trump. what the study showed is that six months later, they were THE MOST OPTIMISTIC group about the economy, even though the economic performance under Trump during that time was actually LOWER than during the last six months of Obama. so, it would seem that this optimism had NOTHING to do with actual performance. which leads one to question:
what WAS it about?
(NOTE: the study actually looked into this question, as well. it is why i chose the word "disturbing")
I read a study this weekend showing that, while 1 in 4 voters clicked on a 'false' news story (a story with no journalistic basis, written to cater to a particular voter) if you split the left leaning from the right leaning voters, more right leaning than left leaning voters would click on the made up stories.
Which kind of helps explain all the misinformation the far righties like to quote - they're mostly getting it from non-journalistic 'entertainment' sources, or they're hearing it from Trump himself. Hence - why they think Trump is doing such a bang up job.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 11:43:25 GMT -5
only, it isn't.
the fact that people THINK it is doing "so much better" is disturbing, imo. there was a study done on Trump voters in 2017. what it showed is that they were the group that was MOST CYNICAL about the economy. it was part of what motivated them to vote for Trump. what the study showed is that six months later, they were THE MOST OPTIMISTIC group about the economy, even though the economic performance under Trump during that time was actually LOWER than during the last six months of Obama. so, it would seem that this optimism had NOTHING to do with actual performance. which leads one to question:
what WAS it about?
(NOTE: the study actually looked into this question, as well. it is why i chose the word "disturbing")
I read a study this weekend showing that, while 1 in 4 voters clicked on a 'false' news story (a story with no journalistic basis, written to cater to a particular voter) if you split the left leaning from the right leaning voters, more right leaning than left leaning voters would click on the made up stories.
Which kind of helps explain all the misinformation the far righties like to quote - they're mostly getting it from non-journalistic 'entertainment' sources, or they're hearing it from Trump himself. Hence - why they think Trump is doing such a bang up job.
They're going to vote for him also.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 12:10:44 GMT -5
I know I was there for the impeach of Clinton, but I'm starting to forget the details, so if I'm wrong on this let me know. Political nonsense aside, the main reason for impeaching Clinton was because he lied under oath, while president, in saying he did not have sex with Monica. During the impeachment proceedings, they had an evidence room with her dress with his semen on it, as one of the items presented. I watched the proceedings live. The lying under oath was the main driver of the impeachment justification, it's a felony I believe. (also obstruction for those who care about those things) How our economy performs, being mostly a service economy these days, depends mostly on how it's perceived it's doing, by the general consumer. His constant message of protecting us, saving us from unfair trade practices by renegotiating trade deals (which he's hardly changed at all in the long run, hence my mediocre), makes great strides in consumer confidence and economic activity. Overall, China's and other countries reactionary responses are a looked at as a good message, 'look he's actually doing something for us', lets go buy what we've been holding off on. The basics of business have been good, so this positive posturing just helps it along. Just my opinion, and I don't know how'll it'll end. Just a thought for now. The perjury was a result of Clinton's "personal peccadillos", just like Trump's campaign cover up of the Stormy Daniels affair was a result of his. And just as illegal. I agree with you that the raw numbers of the economy have continued to be good under Trump. I am more skeptical of the assertion that his cheerleading by constant message is really a force of any kind in this. Most people, Trump supporters included, know that he BS's constantly. Messaging that the tariff's are working while at the same time giving a 16B bail out to farmers hurt by them doesn't flummox any but the most unread supporters. You don't credit anything else than his social media bombast for his policies or work aiding the economy? Campaign cover up doesn't hold the same weight, as lying under oath while a being a sitting president, in regards to impeachment. One reason Pelosi is downplaying it. I didn't say "social media bombast" I said his overall "constant message" on the economy, which includes everything.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 12:13:11 GMT -5
Little 'hot button' side issues, are only important to those on the far left, who will be voting for him anyway. Women's contributions to his campaign are telling the story. ymam.proboards.com/post/3005070
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Post by happyhoix on May 28, 2019 12:29:31 GMT -5
Little 'hot button' side issues, are only important to those on the far left, who will be voting for him anyway. To you, 'little hot button issues.'
Again, I would recommend you not take the leap in assuming independents will line up behind your political philosophy, because you believe you're omnipotent and therefore know what matters to the rest of American voters.
There are some single issue Pro-Choice voters who will come out and vote against Trump and the GOP simply due to the current threat they perceive against women. They won't give two shits if you think this is simply a 'little hot button issue.' It would be a mistake for the GOP to ignore those voters and all the other 'little hot button issue voters' - they are going to need every single vote they can get, especially since they lost the popular vote by several million votes in 2016.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 28, 2019 12:42:54 GMT -5
The president of the United States endorsed a foreign government’s nasty insults of America’s former vice president — and did so while standing next to the leader of a top American ally. That’s appalling behavior from the president. There’s an unwritten rule that Americans — and especially high-level American politicians — are supposed to leave domestic politics at the water’s edge when they travel abroad. That means you don’t talk badly about your political opponents overseas, but instead show a united front as a representative of the United States. Not only did Trump violate that very basic principle, he did so gleefully — and sided with a murderous, repressive dictator while he was at it. Even some of Trump’s allies in Congress, like Rep. Pete King (R-NY), were appalled by Trump’s behavior. www.vox.com/2019/5/28/18642441/japan-trump-abe-biden-kim-missileNow, watch the Stockholm Syndrome contingent make excuses for him.
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Post by thyme4change on May 28, 2019 15:25:35 GMT -5
Didn't they only find out about Monica because of all the white water non-scandal that the Republicans were digging around in because they were sure the Clintons were doing something illegal but couldn't find any real proof. They stumbled over the BJ and ran with it. Luckily, Bill was stupid enough to lie and give them a legal sounding reason. Trump learned from Bill's mistake and will avoid testifying because everyone knows he will 100% lie about something.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 28, 2019 17:40:53 GMT -5
only, it isn't.
the fact that people THINK it is doing "so much better" is disturbing, imo. there was a study done on Trump voters in 2017. what it showed is that they were the group that was MOST CYNICAL about the economy. it was part of what motivated them to vote for Trump. what the study showed is that six months later, they were THE MOST OPTIMISTIC group about the economy, even though the economic performance under Trump during that time was actually LOWER than during the last six months of Obama. so, it would seem that this optimism had NOTHING to do with actual performance. which leads one to question:
what WAS it about?
(NOTE: the study actually looked into this question, as well. it is why i chose the word "disturbing")
OK, but that was the timeframe at just before and after the election, two years ago. Were they right in the long run, as of today ? no, the question was something like "how is the economy currently performing". the question was asked during the campaign, and six months after the campaign. x. I really don't have time to look into it now. I found it disturbing. very disturbing. I would actually like to find the study and post it, but I have a lot to do today.
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Post by dezii on May 28, 2019 22:53:28 GMT -5
I read a study this weekend showing that, while 1 in 4 voters clicked on a 'false' news story (a story with no journalistic basis, written to cater to a particular voter) if you split the left leaning from the right leaning voters, more right leaning than left leaning voters would click on the made up stories.
Which kind of helps explain all the misinformation the far righties like to quote - they're mostly getting it from non-journalistic 'entertainment' sources, or they're hearing it from Trump himself. Hence - why they think Trump is doing such a bang up job.
They're going to vote for him also. I concede his base will support and vote for him no matter what...any proven bad things done by him ever do not resonate with those folks...From what I have read, it seems in % of voters it hovers around , say, 36%, give or take a point or two either way...Since it is all about the electorial vote...does he have or does he have not enough of those.. His support among the GOP seems to be close to 90%...it means unaffiliated and the moderates will be the answer as well as minorities...blacks, latins...and Dems, who ever their parties candidate is , even if their main choice is not that... Very hard to defeat a sitting President with all that that entails...even with, IMHO, the baggage our present POTUS seems to carry with him...being added to daily. [Remember I said IMHO] ------------------------------------------------------ I have also posted here very early on that I question if he loses the 2020 election, if he will leave quietly as all formers have....Now I add , I wonder if he would ride with whoever is the elected POTUS to the swearing in ceremony or some how make a excuse, sickness or similar ..or possible just refuse and not even be at that ceremony...possible buying time for his own address from where ever ...possible at same time as the new President is sworn in or giving his inauguration address...even to the leaving a private letter for the new President that has been done recently by the former for the new. Just wondering....especially since with the Donald...his personal attacks on who ever are so out there.;..then to be sitting next to ones opponent in a closed vehicle...kinda out there...again IMHO.
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Post by tbop77 on May 29, 2019 4:29:52 GMT -5
I hope all Dems running for President follow Biden's example. Don't get in the mud with President Trump and show him for what he is. "The President’s comments are beneath the dignity of the office," Biden's deputy campaign manager, Kate Bedingfield, said in a statement released shortly after Trump returned to the United States. "To be on foreign soil, on Memorial Day, and to side repeatedly with a murderous dictator against a fellow American and former Vice President speaks for itself." "And it’s part of a pattern of embracing autocrats at the expense of our institutions — whether taking Putin’s word at face value in Helsinki or exchanging 'love letters' with Kim Jong Un,” Bedingfield continued, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin and the North Korean leader. www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-campaign-slams-trump-north-korea-comments-n1010951
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Post by tbop77 on May 29, 2019 4:32:38 GMT -5
i am fully aware of Trumps shortcomings as president. The fact is none of it amounts to a pot of beans let alone any of the end of times stuff that the left is pushing. It just kills the left that the country is doing so much better under Trump than Obama. The personal pecadillos is all they got right now. All one has to do is compare the outlandish maybes vs what actually has been happening. The whole Democrat conversation revolves around 'this might happen' then it never does. Actually he's been somewhat mediocre in substance, with good moves for the economy overall.At what expense? When is he going to start talking about the debt he was going to have paid off in 8 years?
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Post by oped on May 29, 2019 5:47:42 GMT -5
Treasury bonds inverted yesterday...
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Post by tbop77 on May 29, 2019 6:29:08 GMT -5
I'm sure he will win....but why do I have this vision of his last year in office being similar to President Bush? Can the country really take running a trillion dollar deficit and never address the issue? And before you "Obama" me, do you really think the economies each inherited are the same?
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Post by chiver78 on May 29, 2019 6:30:11 GMT -5
Actually I HAVE travelled quite a bit and have found most countries like most Americans, even though they think our current “leader” is a POS Now, they don’t like assholes, so if you go abroad and act like one, you’ll get the impression you aren’t liked. Which is surprising considering you travel also, impressions and all. Of course travelling as a tourist vs a business man gives a different perspective.They want you to come back for your $$. What they think of you is hidden. I haven't kept up with this thread, am catching up now. I hope someone else has already called you out on this bullshit, but your assumption that GG was travelling as a tourist vs a businesswoman is asinine. she made no commentary about her reasons for travelling, nor was it relevant to the exchange. anything else you want to step in? y'know, while you're at it?
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Post by oped on May 29, 2019 7:03:51 GMT -5
We tourist all over because husband was born in Eastern Europe and I bookend any trip with side tours... everyone liked us fine... but the discussions with cabbies on US politics were much more interesting the last round...
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Post by oped on May 29, 2019 7:04:56 GMT -5
But as I said before...if the lies of the left bother you, and I’m sure you can share some of those with us, why doesn’t it bother you that your tongue is superglued to Trump’s ass? You might need to bring some critical thinking to that. i am fully aware of Trumps shortcomings as president. The fact is none of it amounts to a pot of beans let alone any of the end of times stuff that the left is pushing. It just kills the left that the country is doing so much better under Trump than Obama. What bothers me is that anyone is so gullible or dishonest as to believe/promote that ideology...
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Post by happyhoix on May 29, 2019 7:08:06 GMT -5
I hope all Dems running for President follow Biden's example. Don't get in the mud with President Trump and show him for what he is. "The President’s comments are beneath the dignity of the office," Biden's deputy campaign manager, Kate Bedingfield, said in a statement released shortly after Trump returned to the United States. "To be on foreign soil, on Memorial Day, and to side repeatedly with a murderous dictator against a fellow American and former Vice President speaks for itself." "And it’s part of a pattern of embracing autocrats at the expense of our institutions — whether taking Putin’s word at face value in Helsinki or exchanging 'love letters' with Kim Jong Un,” Bedingfield continued, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin and the North Korean leader. www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-campaign-slams-trump-north-korea-comments-n1010951Trump later claimed he was 'actually sticking up for' Biden because what Kim called him was 'worse' and what Trump said was 'softer.'
WTF? I can't tell if he thinks he's being funny or honestly believes that shit.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-and-biden-campaign-trade-jabs-over-north-koreas-remarks/ar-AAC4c5i
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Post by oped on May 29, 2019 7:08:55 GMT -5
The status quo is pretty good.. ya know, if you be a straight white rich dude...
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Post by Tennesseer on May 29, 2019 8:14:03 GMT -5
The personal pecadillos is all they got right now. All one has to do is compare the outlandish maybes vs what actually has been happening. The whole Democrat conversation revolves around 'this might happen' then it never does. Actually he's been somewhat mediocre in substance, with good moves for the economy overall.At what expense? When is he going to start talking about the debt he was going to have paid off in 8 years? trump told us the rising stock market would lower/erase the national debt.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 8:55:43 GMT -5
Little 'hot button' side issues, are only important to those on the far left, who will be voting for him anyway. To you, 'little hot button issues.'
Again, I would recommend you not take the leap in assuming independents will line up behind your political philosophy, because you believe you're omnipotent and therefore know what matters to the rest of American voters.
There are some single issue Pro-Choice voters who will come out and vote against Trump and the GOP simply due to the current threat they perceive against women. They won't give two shits if you think this is simply a 'little hot button issue.' It would be a mistake for the GOP to ignore those voters and all the other 'little hot button issue voters' - they are going to need every single vote they can get, especially since they lost the popular vote by several million votes in 2016.
You keep bringing up the women... I keep showing how much they are supporting him... We brought home a new kitten from the humane shelter yesterday. After our last two cats were named Gomer and then Barney, this one will be called Opie, in keeping with the TV show tradition.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 9:06:09 GMT -5
Which is surprising considering you travel also, impressions and all. Of course travelling as a tourist vs a business man gives a different perspective.They want you to come back for your $$. What they think of you is hidden. I haven't kept up with this thread, am catching up now. I hope someone else has already called you out on this bullshit, but your assumption that GG was travelling as a tourist vs a businesswoman is asinine. she made no commentary about her reasons for travelling, nor was it relevant to the exchange. anything else you want to step in? y'know, while you're at it? Why yes. If she wanted to correct me on that detail, she would of. She doesn't come across as someone who needs protecting, or is unsure of herself. She's mentioned in the past 'how' she was traveling, and how you travel is very relevant to the exchange. She didn't seem to have any problem staying on the topic vs posters. Asinine indeed. Hint... You might want to do a little 'more' catching up, before that foot gets stuck in there again.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 9:19:34 GMT -5
Campaign cover up doesn't hold the same weight, as lying under oath while a being a sitting president, in regards to impeachment. One reason Pelosi is downplaying it. I didn't say "social media bombast" I said his overall "constant message" on the economy, which includes everything. What weight it holds depends on the mood of the Congress and the electorate. Both are illegal, and both are prosecutable. Yes, you did say constant message, my error. (given that much of his message IS on social media) However my point remains. I don't believe his constant message (propaganda) moves many people. It does reinforce his image to his supporters, some of whom laugh with him when they know he is just spouting so much BS. So anyway, you credit nothing besides this to his economic work? I find that rather sad. Anybody can talk on a soapbox. I think I could muster a better argument for his economic agenda than that. His tax cuts, and his anti- regulatory campaigns, etc. Actually, what I really credit him for is Supreme Court Justice picks, And judge choices in general. You've probably heard me say this before. His actual maneuvers on the economy are mostly mediocre. Fundamentals are good, and as long as there is no big changes in relation to the economy size, things will move along nicely, people will have jobs/future.
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Post by Value Buy on May 29, 2019 9:25:05 GMT -5
The status quo is pretty good.. ya know, if you be a straight white rich dude... Well, I could have posted the article where Ratner claims Trump will be re-elected because of three polls he has available, but I want to let you down easy for now. Plus, I am not sure if he is just trying to rattle democratic voters and keep them agitated at this point in time so they show up at the polls in the fall of 2020
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They're going to vote for him also. I concede his base will support and vote for him no matter what...any proven bad things done by him ever do not resonate with those folks...From what I have read, it seems in % of voters it hovers around , say, 36%, give or take a point or two either way...Since it is all about the electorial vote...does he have or does he have not enough of those.. His support among the GOP seems to be close to 90%...it means unaffiliated and the moderates will be the answer as well as minorities...blacks, latins...and Dems, who ever their parties candidate is , even if their main choice is not that... Very hard to defeat a sitting President with all that that entails...even with, IMHO, the baggage our present POTUS seems to carry with him...being added to daily. [Remember I said IMHO] ------------------------------------------------------ I have also posted here very early on that I question if he loses the 2020 election, if he will leave quietly as all formers have....Now I add , I wonder if he would ride with whoever is the elected POTUS to the swearing in ceremony or some how make a excuse, sickness or similar ..or possible just refuse and not even be at that ceremony...possible buying time for his own address from where ever ...possible at same time as the new President is sworn in or giving his inauguration address...even to the leaving a private letter for the new President that has been done recently by the former for the new. Just wondering....especially since with the Donald...his personal attacks on who ever are so out there.;..then to be sitting next to ones opponent in a closed vehicle...kinda out there...again IMHO. If he rode in the car with Obama, he can ride with anyone. You have nothing to worry about.
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