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Post by weltschmerz on May 26, 2019 16:15:20 GMT -5
Obama - He was often attacked for "lies" but many of those were things that were true when he said them. lol, cute .
""In a way, people got exactly what they were voting for, a non politician.""
Yes - all those years with do-thing politicians who had no clue about how to manage a Capitalist government, finally we have someone who understands finance, business. If the Congressional Dems would stop re-fighting their lost election, expending their energy on 'destroy Trump', we could finally move fwd. But as long as Dems focus on name-calling, searching for gotha's, and bickering, Trump will keep responding in-kind - and the Dems will chalk it up to 'bad manners'. Really? Remind me again...how many bankruptcies does Trump have under his belt? What about Trump Steaks, Trump Water, Trump University, Trump Magazine, Trump Airlines, etc.? All big busts. Understands business, my shiny metal ass.
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Post by tallguy on May 26, 2019 18:36:43 GMT -5
Obama - He was often attacked for "lies" but many of those were things that were true when he said them. lol, cute .
""In a way, people got exactly what they were voting for, a non politician.""
Yes - all those years with do-thing politicians who had no clue about how to manage a Capitalist government, finally we have someone who understands finance, business. If the Congressional Dems would stop re-fighting their lost election, expending their energy on 'destroy Trump', we could finally move fwd. But as long as Dems focus on name-calling, searching for gotha's, and bickering, Trump will keep responding in-kind - and the Dems will chalk it up to 'bad manners'. Really? Remind me again...how many bankruptcies does Trump have under his belt? What about Trump Steaks, Trump Water, Trump University, Trump Magazine, Trump Airlines, etc.? All big busts. Understands business, my shiny metal ass. There apparently is no known antidote for that much Kool-Aid. Pity.
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Post by dezii on May 26, 2019 19:43:52 GMT -5
did you hold obama accountable I did, I voted for Obama in 08 and Romney in 12 due to a couple issues I didn’t like where he was taking the country. Before Trump I had liked and respected every President in my lifetime going back to Reagan. Even though I didn’t agree with any of them on all the issues I still thought all of them cared about the country and the people in it, and I trusted their fingers on the “button”. I don’t think the current President cares about the country nor the people in it, he cares about enriching himself and his ego. That is the worst kind of person to trust our survival to and I just hope he is never put in a spot like the Cuban missile crisis. I say this as an Independent who has voted for who I thought would represent my view on the most issues and represent my country the best be it GOP, Democrat or Independent. I don’t foresee myself voting for any Federal GOP candidates anytime soon for their support and backing of someone like Trump. "I don’t foresee myself voting for any Federal GOP candidates anytime soon for their support and backing of someone like Trump."
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Post by dezii on May 26, 2019 19:50:25 GMT -5
Obama - He was often attacked for "lies" but many of those were things that were true when he said them. lol, cute .
""In a way, people got exactly what they were voting for, a non politician.""
Yes - all those years with do-thing politicians who had no clue about how to manage a Capitalist government, finally we have someone who understands finance, business. If the Congressional Dems would stop re-fighting their lost election, expending their energy on 'destroy Trump', we could finally move fwd. But as long as Dems focus on name-calling, searching for gotha's, and bickering, Trump will keep responding in-kind - and the Dems will chalk it up to 'bad manners'. Really?
The idea that Dems are trying to re-fight a lost election is a tired Rush Limbaugh red herring. The Mueller investigation was launched to determine if the Russians interfered with the 2016 election, something BOTH parties want to know, and BOTH parties agreed happened. It came up with 34 indictments - remind me again how many people were indicted as a result of the GOP's 10 investigations trying to pin Benghazi! on Clinton? Doesn't that seem like a much larger waste of energy, given how small the returns were from it? I don't remember you complaining about those investigations being a waste of time.
And I find your suggestion that if the Dems just shut up and played nicely, Trump would be a wonderful president. Can I remind you that Trump was one of the leaders of the 'birther' contingent - that he even paid out of his own pocket for a private investigator to try to track down Obama's 'real' birth certificate' - and he only gave up that cause the night before his first debate with Hillary? Eight years of trying to launch his own coup against the duly elected president (elected with a much larger margin than Trump had) by claiming he wasn't American, and now you think the Dems are responsible for the bickering and name calling? Trump is the KING of bickering and name calling. TRUMP has drug the political discourse of this nation down into the shit hole swamp he claimed he was going to rescue us from.
There was a time Presidents kept the high road and allowed their subordinates to do their fighting for them. That ended on Trump's inauguration day, a day that we may never, as a nation, fully recover from. The fact that you think everyone should just be content that a serially bankrupt, sleazy has been TV reality show star is running the country is laughable.
As long as your at it , don't forget rapest of a 13 year old pro....three times no less....Just saying.
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Post by happyhoix on May 26, 2019 20:07:27 GMT -5
Remind me again...how many bankruptcies does Trump have under his belt? What about Trump Steaks, Trump Water, Trump University, Trump Magazine, Trump Airlines, etc.? All big busts. Understands business, my shiny metal ass. There apparently is no known antidote for that much Kool-Aid. Pity. It seems like, for some Trump supporters, the fact that they personally are doing well in this economy allows them to overlook nearly any kind of constitutional crisis.
The fact that the president has circumvented the Congressional power of the purse to try to siphon money off from other parts of the federal budget to blow on his Wall boondoggle, that Trump just recently ignored Congress again by selling 8 billion of weapons to the Saudis, circumventing a long standing agreement that Congress review all arms deals, and that Trump decided he doesn't have to comply with Congressional subpoenas like a 'normal' president - none of that unconstitutional bullshit seems to phase them at all, as long as their business is humming along and they're making money.
Personally, I think patriotic Americans are obligated to do a little more than wave tiny flags and wear MAGA hats at parades. Patriotic Americans have a responsibility to defend the constitution and the separation of powers, to avoid slipping into tyranny.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 26, 2019 22:16:41 GMT -5
Trump cultists remind me of abused wives.
Yet another black eye? "Oh, he's stressed." Another broken nose? "Oh, he lost his job, and I didn't keep the kids quiet." Fractured jaw? "Oh, but I love him! Of course I'll stay with him! He's basically a good man. He'll change"
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Post by tbop77 on May 27, 2019 8:58:34 GMT -5
Obama - He was often attacked for "lies" but many of those were things that were true when he said them. lol, cute .
""In a way, people got exactly what they were voting for, a non politician.""
Yes - all those years with do-thing politicians who had no clue about how to manage a Capitalist government, finally we have someone who understands finance, business. If the Congressional Dems would stop re-fighting their lost election, expending their energy on 'destroy Trump', we could finally move fwd. But as long as Dems focus on name-calling, searching for gotha's, and bickering, Trump will keep responding in-kind - and the Dems will chalk it up to 'bad manners'. Really? Were you saying the same thing when Congressional Repubs said the only thing they were going to work on after President Obama was elected was making him a one term president....remember? the in-fighting after they lost the election? Ring any bells? As far as name calling....are ya kidding me? Have you not been paying attention to the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? THE PRESIDENT!!!!! Responding in-kind? LOL, really? Maybe I'm old, but the Presidency use to mean honor...integrity...dignity....would definitely rise above the "responding in-kind" like you said. It's beyond bad manners, he has the mentality of a 14 year old.
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Post by oped on May 27, 2019 9:00:34 GMT -5
Obama - He was often attacked for "lies" but many of those were things that were true when he said them. lol, cute .
""In a way, people got exactly what they were voting for, a non politician.""
Yes - all those years with do-thing politicians who had no clue about how to manage a Capitalist government, finally we have someone who understands finance, business. If the Congressional Dems would stop re-fighting their lost election, expending their energy on 'destroy Trump', we could finally move fwd. But as long as Dems focus on name-calling, searching for gotha's, and bickering, Trump will keep responding in-kind - and the Dems will chalk it up to 'bad manners'. Really? And you seriously believe this? It’s astounding to me...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 9:06:36 GMT -5
Another question I have for our GOP posters is how they can claim we shouldn't listen to Cohen because, as the president likes to say, he's now a convicted liar. Cohen lied about all the same things Trump lied about - Cohen lied about making payments to Trump's ex GF's in order to keep them quiet in the election. Cohen lied about saying the Trump Tower Moscow deal was off the table, when it actually remained on the table right up until the inauguration. These are the exact same things Trump lied about, and continues to lie about.
So how can anyone believe Trump told the truth about not paying off GFs and not negotiating the Trump Tower Moscow during the election, when Cohen is sitting in jail for saying those exact things? I don't understand the mental flexibility required to hold as 'true' in your mind two completely opposite beliefs at the same time.
You can listen to Cohen. I don't care. As far as two beliefs ? Easy as 'look at all the convictions', but no convictions on collusion, in a collusion investigation.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 9:36:31 GMT -5
Obama - He was often attacked for "lies" but many of those were things that were true when he said them. lol, cute .
""In a way, people got exactly what they were voting for, a non politician.""
Yes - all those years with do-thing politicians who had no clue about how to manage a Capitalist government, finally we have someone who understands finance, business. If the Congressional Dems would stop re-fighting their lost election, expending their energy on 'destroy Trump', we could finally move fwd. But as long as Dems focus on name-calling, searching for gotha's, and bickering, Trump will keep responding in-kind - and the Dems will chalk it up to 'bad manners'. Really? And you seriously believe this? It’s astounding to me... Shouldn't be astounding. It's what's been happening.
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Post by ednkris on May 27, 2019 10:34:58 GMT -5
did you hold obama accountable For lying? He was historically one of our more honest presidents. He was often attacked for "lies" but many of those were things that were true when he said them. The most famous example being the, "If you like your doctor..." line. Under the ACA as written that was a true statement. The insurance companies changed their plans, and that was what caused people to lose what they had. It was not an Obama lie no matter what right-wing commentators said ad nauseam. oh he didn't tell as many lies so he is better, oh brother a typica;l left wing deflection. it would have worked if you done it my way waaaaaaa. So juvenile.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 27, 2019 11:37:35 GMT -5
""he is the lyingest liar that ever lied a lie.""
"When name-calling is used instead of an argument, name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against an idea or belief, based upon its own merits, and becomes an argumentum ad hominem." I'm sure someone else has already pointed this out, but your president does EXACTLY that, himself! I suppose he gets a pass for it though? Holy fuckballs.
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Post by dondub on May 27, 2019 11:45:40 GMT -5
Did you hold Obama accountable?
This question should directed at yourself ednkris. Did you get all hot and bothered about the lies Obama told? If so, why do you slavishly support the lyingest liar of all time? See how that works.
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Post by ednkris on May 27, 2019 19:35:26 GMT -5
Did you hold Obama accountable? This question should directed at yourself ednkris. Did you get all hot and bothered about the lies Obama told? If so, why do you slavishly support the lyingest liar of all time? See how that works. obama's lies didn't surprise me. The left is full of lies and manipulation. They wouldn't know the truth if it slapped them across the face
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Post by dondub on May 27, 2019 21:23:39 GMT -5
Whereas your cult leader is the most honest POTUS ever and kris is ironing your collection of brown shirts.
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Post by dondub on May 27, 2019 21:27:21 GMT -5
But as I said before...if the lies of the left bother you, and I’m sure you can share some of those with us, why doesn’t it bother you that your tongue is superglued to Trump’s ass? You might need to bring some critical thinking to that.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 27, 2019 23:19:47 GMT -5
Obama - He was often attacked for "lies" but many of those were things that were true when he said them. lol, cute .
""In a way, people got exactly what they were voting for, a non politician.""
Yes - all those years with do-thing politicians who had no clue about how to manage a Capitalist government, finally we have someone who understands finance, business. If the Congressional Dems would stop re-fighting their lost election, expending their energy on 'destroy Trump', we could finally move fwd. But as long as Dems focus on name-calling, searching for gotha's, and bickering, Trump will keep responding in-kind - and the Dems will chalk it up to 'bad manners'. Really? as I have noted before, there have been FOUR presidents that were businessmen before becoming presidents. between the four there were two relatively good presidents, and two awful ones. so, yeah, this one tilts the field in terms of awful.
there is a good reason why businessmen make bad presidents, and we are seeing it.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 27, 2019 23:23:32 GMT -5
Another question I have for our GOP posters is how they can claim we shouldn't listen to Cohen because, as the president likes to say, he's now a convicted liar. Cohen lied about all the same things Trump lied about - Cohen lied about making payments to Trump's ex GF's in order to keep them quiet in the election. Cohen lied about saying the Trump Tower Moscow deal was off the table, when it actually remained on the table right up until the inauguration. These are the exact same things Trump lied about, and continues to lie about.
So how can anyone believe Trump told the truth about not paying off GFs and not negotiating the Trump Tower Moscow during the election, when Cohen is sitting in jail for saying those exact things? I don't understand the mental flexibility required to hold as 'true' in your mind two completely opposite beliefs at the same time.
You can listen to Cohen. I don't care. As far as two beliefs ? Easy as 'look at all the convictions', but no convictions on collusion, in a collusion investigation. plenty of other convictions, tho.
so, yeah- he hired a bunch of criminals.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 27, 2019 23:24:57 GMT -5
""he is the lyingest liar that ever lied a lie.""
"When name-calling is used instead of an argument, name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against an idea or belief, based upon its own merits, and becomes an argumentum ad hominem." I'm sure someone else has already pointed this out, but your president does EXACTLY that, himself! I suppose he gets a pass for it though? Holy fuckballs. I don't consider calling a known liar "liar" namecalling, for the record, any more than I consider calling a stack of poop "poop" namecalling.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 27, 2019 23:26:26 GMT -5
Did you hold Obama accountable? This question should directed at yourself ednkris. Did you get all hot and bothered about the lies Obama told? If so, why do you slavishly support the lyingest liar of all time? See how that works. obama's lies didn't surprise me. The left is full of lies and manipulation. They wouldn't know the truth if it slapped them across the face the right is also full of lies and manipulations. it has been this way for at least half a century. there are lots of good reasons WHY.
but to claim this is a left -vs- right thing is disingenuous at best, and outright deflection at worst.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 27, 2019 23:30:41 GMT -5
Some of the “US public” were sold a story and swallowed it down with a glass of Kool-Aid. Cheney in particular lied through his teeth and they deliberately connected Saddam and Bin Laden which was complete BS. it wasn't just SOME, don. it was 61% in March of 2003.
however, if you break it down by news source, among FOX viewers it was something like 80%. among NPR listeners, and regular print readers, it was way less than that. and then, there was the lunatic fringe of people like me who KNEW FOR CERTAIN that we were being sold a lie. later, people would CLAIM that "nobody knew", and that the president was going on "the best intelligence". bullshit. he was going on the WORST intelligence, and selling that TERRIBLE intelligence (including the disgusting and career ending [for Powell] Curveball story) to the US public as if it were manna from God himself.
it was fucked up. and nobody has ever been TRULY held to account for it.
half that administration should be in prison for war crimes, rather than featured "experts" in the right wing MSM.
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Post by ednkris on May 28, 2019 6:48:35 GMT -5
But as I said before...if the lies of the left bother you, and I’m sure you can share some of those with us, why doesn’t it bother you that your tongue is superglued to Trump’s ass? You might need to bring some critical thinking to that. i am fully aware of Trumps shortcomings as president. The fact is none of it amounts to a pot of beans let alone any of the end of times stuff that the left is pushing. It just kills the left that the country is doing so much better under Trump than Obama.
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Post by happyhoix on May 28, 2019 7:30:37 GMT -5
Obama - He was often attacked for "lies" but many of those were things that were true when he said them. lol, cute .
""In a way, people got exactly what they were voting for, a non politician.""
Yes - all those years with do-thing politicians who had no clue about how to manage a Capitalist government, finally we have someone who understands finance, business. If the Congressional Dems would stop re-fighting their lost election, expending their energy on 'destroy Trump', we could finally move fwd. But as long as Dems focus on name-calling, searching for gotha's, and bickering, Trump will keep responding in-kind - and the Dems will chalk it up to 'bad manners'. Really? as I have noted before, there have been FOUR presidents that were businessmen before becoming presidents. between the four there were two relatively good presidents, and two awful ones. so, yeah, this one tilts the field in terms of awful.
there is a good reason why businessmen make bad presidents, and we are seeing it.
I don't even really consider Trump a true 'businessman' in the sense that he didn't build the business he runs - he inherited 400 million bucks from his dad, and has done a fairly shitty job managing it. He's such a bad credit risk American banks wouldn't lend him money, after his serial bankruptcies, and he treats his vendors so poorly many refused to work with him again. IMHO that's not a 'good' businessman.
Then he hired a ghostwriter to write a faux business manual for him (which that writer now says is the biggest regret of his career) and the attention Trump got from that allowed him to move into being a pretend captain of industry for a reality show. Then the fame from the reality show allowed him to move into the business that has sustained Trump Inc for the last ten years - he likes to pretend he's a 'builder' but he's become a brand name he'll sell to anyone to stick on steaks, knives, universities, men's clothing, or a condo or resort that someone else is building.
Trump, Inc is actually only about 20 - 30 people, not a vast empire, and pretty much anyone who was gifted 400 million like Trump was would do just as good or better than he has. From his clueless comments, Trump doesn't seem to grasp basic manufacturing principles, or the energy industry, or any other 'business' related industry. So I don't think we should keep calling him a 'businessman' - I think 'show business personality' is more appropriate. Like Reagan, only Reagan was smart enough to recruit a decent cabinet and listen to them.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 8:29:38 GMT -5
You can listen to Cohen. I don't care. As far as two beliefs ? Easy as 'look at all the convictions', but no convictions on collusion, in a collusion investigation. plenty of other convictions, tho.
so, yeah- he hired a bunch of criminals.
noice.
Yes, there were convictions. And they deserved what they got. My point was a rebuttal on the ease of two beliefs as she was stating.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 8:38:25 GMT -5
But as I said before...if the lies of the left bother you, and I’m sure you can share some of those with us, why doesn’t it bother you that your tongue is superglued to Trump’s ass? You might need to bring some critical thinking to that. i am fully aware of Trumps shortcomings as president. The fact is none of it amounts to a pot of beans let alone any of the end of times stuff that the left is pushing. It just kills the left that the country is doing so much better under Trump than Obama. The personal pecadillos is all they got right now. All one has to do is compare the outlandish maybes vs what actually has been happening. The whole Democrat conversation revolves around 'this might happen' then it never does. Actually he's been somewhat mediocre in substance, with good moves for the economy overall.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 8:42:55 GMT -5
as I have noted before, there have been FOUR presidents that were businessmen before becoming presidents. between the four there were two relatively good presidents, and two awful ones. so, yeah, this one tilts the field in terms of awful.
there is a good reason why businessmen make bad presidents, and we are seeing it.
I don't even really consider Trump a true 'businessman' in the sense that he didn't build the business he runs - he inherited 400 million bucks from his dad, and has done a fairly shitty job managing it. He's such a bad credit risk American banks wouldn't lend him money, after his serial bankruptcies, and he treats his vendors so poorly many refused to work with him again. IMHO that's not a 'good' businessman.
Then he hired a ghostwriter to write a faux business manual for him (which that writer now says is the biggest regret of his career) and the attention Trump got from that allowed him to move into being a pretend captain of industry for a reality show. Then the fame from the reality show allowed him to move into the business that has sustained Trump Inc for the last ten years - he likes to pretend he's a 'builder' but he's become a brand name he'll sell to anyone to stick on steaks, knives, universities, men's clothing, or a condo or resort that someone else is building.
Trump, Inc is actually only about 20 - 30 people, not a vast empire, and pretty much anyone who was gifted 400 million like Trump was would do just as good or better than he has. From his clueless comments, Trump doesn't seem to grasp basic manufacturing principles, or the energy industry, or any other 'business' related industry. So I don't think we should keep calling him a 'businessman' - I think 'show business personality' is more appropriate. Like Reagan, only Reagan was smart enough to recruit a decent cabinet and listen to them.
Your last section explains the gun control movement so closely it's eerie. 20/30 people backed by billionaire ideologues. ...and back to topic.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 10:44:13 GMT -5
The personal pecadillos is all they got right now. All one has to do is compare the outlandish maybes vs what actually has been happening. The whole Democrat conversation revolves around 'this might happen' then it never does. Actually he's been somewhat mediocre in substance, with good moves for the economy overall. Aside from the point that the result of "personal peccadillos" were enough for the GOP to impeach W. Clinton, there is evidence of quite a bit more than that. Obstruction of justice is a thing. However I find your last point most interesting. What do you consider his "good moves" for the economy? I am guessing regulatory relief, and maybe tax relief, both of which are legitimate points to discuss. I can't think of any others, and I can think of a couple that I believe are detrimental. But again, I am curious about what in your opinion he has done that is good for the economy? I know I was there for the impeach of Clinton, but I'm starting to forget the details, so if I'm wrong on this let me know. Political nonsense aside, the main reason for impeaching Clinton was because he lied under oath, while president, in saying he did not have sex with Monica. During the impeachment proceedings, they had an evidence room with her dress with his semen on it, as one of the items presented. I watched the proceedings live. The lying under oath was the main driver of the impeachment justification, it's a felony I believe. (also obstruction for those who care about those things) How our economy performs, being mostly a service economy these days, depends mostly on how it's perceived it's doing, by the general consumer. His constant message of protecting us, saving us from unfair trade practices by renegotiating trade deals (which he's hardly changed at all in the long run, hence my mediocre), makes great strides in consumer confidence and economic activity. Overall, China's and other countries reactionary responses are a looked at as a good message, 'look he's actually doing something for us', lets go buy what we've been holding off on. The basics of business have been good, so this positive posturing just helps it along. Just my opinion, and I don't know how'll it'll end. Just a thought for now.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 28, 2019 11:19:15 GMT -5
as I have noted before, there have been FOUR presidents that were businessmen before becoming presidents. between the four there were two relatively good presidents, and two awful ones. so, yeah, this one tilts the field in terms of awful.
there is a good reason why businessmen make bad presidents, and we are seeing it.
I don't even really consider Trump a true 'businessman' in the sense that he didn't build the business he runs - he inherited 400 million bucks from his dad, and has done a fairly shitty job managing it. He's such a bad credit risk American banks wouldn't lend him money, after his serial bankruptcies, and he treats his vendors so poorly many refused to work with him again. IMHO that's not a 'good' businessman.
Then he hired a ghostwriter to write a faux business manual for him (which that writer now says is the biggest regret of his career) and the attention Trump got from that allowed him to move into being a pretend captain of industry for a reality show. Then the fame from the reality show allowed him to move into the business that has sustained Trump Inc for the last ten years - he likes to pretend he's a 'builder' but he's become a brand name he'll sell to anyone to stick on steaks, knives, universities, men's clothing, or a condo or resort that someone else is building.
Trump, Inc is actually only about 20 - 30 people, not a vast empire, and pretty much anyone who was gifted 400 million like Trump was would do just as good or better than he has. From his clueless comments, Trump doesn't seem to grasp basic manufacturing principles, or the energy industry, or any other 'business' related industry. So I don't think we should keep calling him a 'businessman' - I think 'show business personality' is more appropriate. Like Reagan, only Reagan was smart enough to recruit a decent cabinet and listen to them.
how does "Snake Oil Salesman" strike you?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 28, 2019 11:20:55 GMT -5
But as I said before...if the lies of the left bother you, and I’m sure you can share some of those with us, why doesn’t it bother you that your tongue is superglued to Trump’s ass? You might need to bring some critical thinking to that. i am fully aware of Trumps shortcomings as president. The fact is none of it amounts to a pot of beans let alone any of the end of times stuff that the left is pushing. It just kills the left that the country is doing so much better under Trump than Obama. only, it isn't.
the fact that people THINK it is doing "so much better" is disturbing, imo. there was a study done on Trump voters in 2017. what it showed is that they were the group that was MOST CYNICAL about the economy. it was part of what motivated them to vote for Trump. what the study showed is that six months later, they were THE MOST OPTIMISTIC group about the economy, even though the economic performance under Trump during that time was actually LOWER than during the last six months of Obama. so, it would seem that this optimism had NOTHING to do with actual performance. which leads one to question:
what WAS it about?
(NOTE: the study actually looked into this question, as well. it is why i chose the word "disturbing")
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 11:37:22 GMT -5
i am fully aware of Trumps shortcomings as president. The fact is none of it amounts to a pot of beans let alone any of the end of times stuff that the left is pushing. It just kills the left that the country is doing so much better under Trump than Obama. only, it isn't.
the fact that people THINK it is doing "so much better" is disturbing, imo. there was a study done on Trump voters in 2017. what it showed is that they were the group that was MOST CYNICAL about the economy. it was part of what motivated them to vote for Trump. what the study showed is that six months later, they were THE MOST OPTIMISTIC group about the economy, even though the economic performance under Trump during that time was actually LOWER than during the last six months of Obama. so, it would seem that this optimism had NOTHING to do with actual performance. which leads one to question:
what WAS it about?
(NOTE: the study actually looked into this question, as well. it is why i chose the word "disturbing")
OK, but that was the timeframe at just before and after the election, two years ago. Were they right in the long run, as of today ? Maybe they had the long term in mind and actually not that disturbing ?
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