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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:22:19 GMT -5
Couldn't of said it better myself. ( Thanks for making it about me, again)Let me understand u correctly...your admitting u are a troll here? Just how I am interpreting your post...You do know the definition of a "internet troll" don't u ...also they supposedly are verboten on most media sites...including this one....with penalties...just want u to be aware of... Your interpretation is wrong. Funny, but wrong. Thanks for looking out for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:28:42 GMT -5
You too. Not according to the "definition " of...this is the only board I post on....have been consistent in my feelings of our current POTUS and political leanings....middle leaning left....and at times a rip roaring full fledged liberal.... -------------------------------- In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain. Both the noun and the verb forms of "troll" are associated with Internet discourse. However, the word has also been used more widely. Media attention in recent years has equated trolling with online harassment. For example, the mass media have used "troll" to mean "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families".[4][5] In addition, depictions of trolling have been included in popular fictional works, such as the HBO television program The Newsroom, in which a main character encounters harassing persons online and tries to infiltrate their circles by posting negative sexual comments. Your mistake, being a liberal and all. A differing opinion does not a troll make. Even having one, if others on a forum don't like the opinion. I am no way responsible to account for the ignorance of others, even if they can paste/type a definition. Those who drink deeply of the liberal media koolaid, and then use it as a definition, are humorous to me, personally. AKA, media attention, and what they "equate".
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:32:56 GMT -5
It's what I've seen here recently. I can't really blame them with all the Trump bashing either. It's tiresome. Yes, everyone who didn't vote for him thinks he's a (add 100 negative adjectives here) president. I got it. ok, I was talking about what I see in the 327 million out there, or the 100 million voters.
much larger group than this board.
got it. you meant here. thanks.
edit: in turn, I would add that my comments didn't apply to anyone here, if you were not addressing this issue. I was ONLY talking about what I see out there in the greater voting universe. I don't actually care what happens here all that much. we are a small group. we just don't matter that much.
note: I edited my post to "depersonalize" it, based on your reply.
You've always taken the high road in regards to an issue. It's appreciated.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:38:29 GMT -5
If you've traveled a bit, even years ago, most countries don't like us at all. This is nothing new. Never tried to think through the reasons other than maybe everyone is always gunning after #1, in regards to military, economy, standard of living, etc. Our allies never 'really' trust us. It's like sleeping next to an elephant. No matter how good natured the beast, it might roll over in it's sleep. There was a period of "the ugly American..[even a book about it] but then came the Berlin Airlift.. [one of the true marvels of post ww2 times...] the invasion of Hungary, Checkoslavakia and it's after matt doings to those countries leaders at those times...also the Korean War and Europe's allies participation...for the most part feelings did calm down and change...plus those good old American tourists and dollars helped too... I would suggest today because of the "bullies " mouth and actions...for the most part...many of our long time allies have second negative thoughts about the relationships between the USA and themselves... I'm referencing 20 + years ago, before I was retired. Your scope and efforts to apply anything negative to Trump are somewhat transparent.
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Post by dezii on May 24, 2019 9:41:42 GMT -5
Not according to the "definition " of...this is the only board I post on....have been consistent in my feelings of our current POTUS and political leanings....middle leaning left....and at times a rip roaring full fledged liberal.... -------------------------------- In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain. Both the noun and the verb forms of "troll" are associated with Internet discourse. However, the word has also been used more widely. Media attention in recent years has equated trolling with online harassment. For example, the mass media have used "troll" to mean "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families".[4][5] In addition, depictions of trolling have been included in popular fictional works, such as the HBO television program The Newsroom, in which a main character encounters harassing persons online and tries to infiltrate their circles by posting negative sexual comments. Your mistake, being a liberal and all. A differing opinion does not a troll make. Not having one, even if others on a forum don't like the opinion. I am no way responsible to account for the ignorance of others, even if they can paste/type a definition. Those who drink deeply of the liberal media koolaid, and then use it as a definition, are humorous to me, personally. AKA, media attention, and what they "equate". Yup a blooming liberal....can't even conceive on being a conservative...those folks to me afraid of any changes...also troubled by those different then I....worse, who even if they find fault with him...still give blind obedience to the Donald and others who feel same way....who stand behind him at those rallies and demonstrate in such support...reminding me of those who did the same in the 1930's in Europe...like in a trance....scary sh*t to me...
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:43:14 GMT -5
If you've traveled a bit, even years ago, most countries don't like us at all. This is nothing new. Never tried to think through the reasons other than maybe everyone is always gunning after #1, in regards to military, economy, standard of living, etc. Our allies never 'really' trust us. It's like sleeping next to an elephant. No matter how good natured the beast, it might roll over in it's sleep. Actually I HAVE travelled quite a bit and have found most countries like most Americans, even though they think our current “leader” is a POS Now, they don’t like assholes, so if you go abroad and act like one, you’ll get the impression you aren’t liked. Which is surprising considering you travel also, impressions and all. Of course travelling as a tourist vs a business man gives a different perspective. They want you to come back for your $$. What they think of you is hidden.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:44:42 GMT -5
If you've traveled a bit, even years ago, most countries don't like us at all.
This is nothing new.Never tried to think through the reasons other than maybe everyone is always gunning after #1, in regards to military, economy, standard of living, etc. Our allies never 'really' trust us. It's like sleeping next to an elephant. No matter how good natured the beast, it might roll over in it's sleep. False. Most major countries have a pretty good opinion of the United States. Or did, until 2017. The Pew Global Attitudes Project did a survey about eight months after Trump took office. In 35 of the 37 countries surveyed, support for America's president dropped, in most cases precipitously. In comparing those who had either a lot or some confidence in Barack Obama to those who had a lot or some confidence in Donald Trump, the largest decline was in Sweden with a drop from 93% to 10%. The Netherlands and Germany had a 75-point drop, and three others were -68 or more. 17 countries were -41 or more, and 29 were -20 or more. The only two in which Trump scored higher were Israel and Russia. Also: World Opinion of Trump and U.S.And if you think it has improved for him in the years since, you are deluded. Yes, I'm lots of things.
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Post by dezii on May 24, 2019 9:46:38 GMT -5
There was a period of "the ugly American..[even a book about it] but then came the Berlin Airlift.. [one of the true marvels of post ww2 times...] the invasion of Hungary, Checkoslavakia and it's after matt doings to those countries leaders at those times...also the Korean War and Europe's allies participation...for the most part feelings did calm down and change...plus those good old American tourists and dollars helped too... I would suggest today because of the "bullies " mouth and actions...for the most part...many of our long time allies have second negative thoughts about the relationships between the USA and themselves... I'm referencing 20 + years ago, before I was retired. Your scope and efforts to apply anything negative to Trump are somewhat transparent. Sorry, not wanting to confuse u...I despise the man...wish boils and skin irritations of the worst kind...understand now?
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I guess his belligerencies against others...thinking N. Korea...he was threatening thunder and lightening...even China...Philippines and of course Iran, Syria and when his time came , he opted out...his own words to his now jailed former attorney....man would have been a officer...never seen over seas duty...most likely with his years agoconnections, ...influence and experience...housing officer on a base...possible Ft Drum...Ft Dix...close to the city... I know many opted out if they could but the man is a President...there is a difference...and yes I was against the War but went... [thought about Canada but Dad, cousins uncle said no...all WW2 veterans] served, saw action, survived but group counseling was a blessing.....performed well if I say so myself...spilled a bit of blood....and this weekend...it is a bit more then just a holiday for me...in past , twice, made it to DC to the monument...unable to now...so long ago now but one still has it on ones mind...saw a guy at local breakfast place last month with friends.....had a baseball cap on with bronze star insignia and Korea ribbons...yep recognized them and stopped to thank him for his service , quick conversation...Marine..was on the withdrawal from the Yalo River..that action over 69 years ago, still fresh in his mind... I do hold it , his actions , against the Donald....[one of many] ============================ www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/buttigieg-trump-faked-being-disabled-to-get-out-of-vietnam/ar-AABO2Kb Dezi- Thank you for your service. And your Dad- my Mom was a Dutch schoolgirl during WWII. Were it not for your Dad and the millions who stood with him I would not be. Thoughts and deep thanks to your friends who did not make it back. That was an unpopular war, and you all never even got a parade out of it. But they march for your friends and think of you too this Monday. Did your Mom tell u how the Natzi's almost starved the Dutch to death in the last years of the war...so many perished.... Yes Dad served with Patton's Third Army...was a staff Sgt...tank commander ..lost two tanks to German tanks but survived with just superficial injuries....ended the war in Checkoslavakia of all places...was in the push to relieve Bastogne
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:56:12 GMT -5
I'm referencing 20 + years ago, before I was retired. Your scope and efforts to apply anything negative to Trump are somewhat transparent. Sorry, not wanting to confuse u...I despise the man...wish boils and skin irritations of the worst kind...understand now? That's ok, confusion abounds. Understanding comes with time. Then you will understand that one person's ideal is not anothers. Regardless of how many ways you (general you) change/repeat a story.
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Post by happyhoix on May 24, 2019 9:57:21 GMT -5
I try to put myself in Donald's shoes. He has been undermined since before he was even elected by never Trumper's as well as every Democrat. He knew he broke no laws, and it all goes back to the Clinton's and the dossier.I would be a madhatter just like he is and I probably would act the way he has too. The Republican were so docile and afraid to control the discussion from day one of the Inaugueration letting him out there by himself. Interesting points. I would never want to be President! However, I disagree with the bolded. I am not so sure about that, and the cover up of the Stormy Daniels affair is a case in point. The Mueller investigation has also showed obstruction of justice, no matter how much trump denies it. And who knows what lurks in his business and tax records. Again, why did he want this? I ask myself that all the time. Anyone American of voting age should understand how your opponents and the news media inspects every single aspect of your lift, your wife's life, your siblings lives, going back practically to the cradle. We've had countless would be politicians get derailed early on by a skeleton suddenly popping out of a closet. Many very smart people who have been pressed to run for office have refused, due to what the scrutiny would do to their friends and family (Colin Powell, for instance). How Trump, who worked in one of the most notoriously semi-legal and intensely cut throat (and mobbed up) industries in the country (NYC real estate) ever thought he could pass through such a meat grinder with all his skeletons still safely hidden is a complete mystery to me.
I can only think of two possibilities 1) he is such a narcissist he thought he could pull off keeping all his questionable business activities/porn star girlfriends/tax cheats/self dealing charity safely hidden, or 2) he never expected to win.
I go with #2, only because, as dumb as I think he is, I don't think he's THAT dumb.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 10:02:43 GMT -5
Your mistake, being a liberal and all. A differing opinion does not a troll make. Not having one, even if others on a forum don't like the opinion. I am no way responsible to account for the ignorance of others, even if they can paste/type a definition. Those who drink deeply of the liberal media koolaid, and then use it as a definition, are humorous to me, personally. AKA, media attention, and what they "equate". Yup a blooming liberal....can't even conceive on being a conservative...those folks to me afraid of any changes...also troubled by those different then I....worse, who even if they find fault with him...still give blind obedience to the Donald and others who feel same way....who stand behind him at those rallies and demonstrate in such support...reminding me of those who did the same in the 1930's in Europe...like in a trance....scary sh*t to me... What goes around comes around. Look up when 'progressive movement' first got started, then tell me about more new things.
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Post by happyhoix on May 24, 2019 10:03:28 GMT -5
Not according to the "definition " of...this is the only board I post on....have been consistent in my feelings of our current POTUS and political leanings....middle leaning left....and at times a rip roaring full fledged liberal.... -------------------------------- In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain. Both the noun and the verb forms of "troll" are associated with Internet discourse. However, the word has also been used more widely. Media attention in recent years has equated trolling with online harassment. For example, the mass media have used "troll" to mean "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families".[4][5] In addition, depictions of trolling have been included in popular fictional works, such as the HBO television program The Newsroom, in which a main character encounters harassing persons online and tries to infiltrate their circles by posting negative sexual comments. Your mistake, being a liberal and all. A differing opinion does not a troll make. Even having one, if others on a forum don't like the opinion. I am no way responsible to account for the ignorance of others, even if they can paste/type a definition. Those who drink deeply of the liberal media koolaid, and then use it as a definition, are humorous to me, personally. AKA, media attention, and what they "equate". I agree, a differing opinion doesn't make a troll.
Trolls delight in being contrary, argumentative and rude because it amuses them and makes them laugh.
They love to chuckle at other people's annoyance. It's humorous to them.
It's how they pass their free time, not having anything worthwhile to do.
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Post by dezii on May 24, 2019 10:06:12 GMT -5
Interesting points. I would never want to be President! However, I disagree with the bolded. I am not so sure about that, and the cover up of the Stormy Daniels affair is a case in point. The Mueller investigation has also showed obstruction of justice, no matter how much trump denies it. And who knows what lurks in his business and tax records. Again, why did he want this? I ask myself that all the time. Anyone American of voting age should understand how your opponents and the news media inspects every single aspect of your lift, your wife's life, your siblings lives, going back practically to the cradle. We've had countless would be politicians get derailed early on by a skeleton suddenly popping out of a closet. Many very smart people who have been pressed to run for office have refused, due to what the scrutiny would do to their friends and family (Colin Powell, for instance). How Trump, who worked in one of the most notoriously semi-legal and intensely cut throat (and mobbed up) industries in the country (NYC real estate) ever thought he could pass through such a meat grinder with all his skeletons still safely hidden is a complete mystery to me.
I can only think of two possibilities 1) he is such a narcissist he thought he could pull off keeping all his questionable business activities/porn star girlfriends/tax cheats/self dealing charity safely hidden, or 2) he never expected to win.
I go with #2, only because, as dumb as I think he is, I don't think he's THAT dumb.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 10:09:38 GMT -5
Your mistake, being a liberal and all. A differing opinion does not a troll make. Even having one, if others on a forum don't like the opinion. I am no way responsible to account for the ignorance of others, even if they can paste/type a definition. Those who drink deeply of the liberal media koolaid, and then use it as a definition, are humorous to me, personally. AKA, media attention, and what they "equate". I agree, a differing opinion doesn't make a troll.
Trolls delight in being contrary, argumentative and rude because it amuses them and makes them laugh.
They love to chuckle at other people's annoyance. It's humorous to them.
It's how they pass their free time, not having anything worthwhile to do.
I know, as in claiming they don't have anything worthwhile to do ? Or claiming what they 'love' to do ? I simply started out with saying everyone lies. The rest was just answering others posts. Still waiting for anything of consequence on that statement of everyone lies, other than trolling. I can't help being happy, I see the world the way it is and accept it for what it is.
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Post by dezii on May 24, 2019 11:41:40 GMT -5
Did your Mom tell u how the Natzi's almost starved the Dutch to death in the last years of the war...so many perished.... Yes Dad served with Patton's Third Army...was a staff Sgt...tank commander ..lost two tanks to German tanks but survived with just superficial injuries....ended the war in Checkoslavakia of all places...was in the push to relieve Bastogne She certainly did. My Mom and her family were lucky- her dad was the manager of a flour processing factory. So he was "essential", first of all, being in the food production industry. And, he knew the farmers, so they often got food from them. Even so, during the last terrible winter of the war her parents sent her and her brothers north to live with a cousin who lived on a farm- so they could eat and be out of the way of the war. Cold winter that one I guess. She also told me about their radio in the attic (until they finally had to ditch it) and when her brother delivered pamphlets for the resistance. Interesting stories. Wow, your Dad had a harrowing and "exciting" run! 3rd Army saw it all. And cleared the way just south of my Mom I believe. Again, many thanks! Mom tells stories (her town was liberated by the Canadians) of the soldiers throwing candy from their vehicles, and all the girls falling instantly in love! Once I finished my time inservice, Dad and cousins, uncle would talk about their experiences...as my Uncle Joe told me, Philippines...my cousin Lester , who never left the States did the most of all of them in fighting the war...he was a railroad man, dispatcher, New York, New Haven line...was a Battalion Sgt Major...top enlisted man of the railroad battalion...charged with moving trains throughout the war...very , very important job.
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Post by tallguy on May 24, 2019 19:11:41 GMT -5
False. Most major countries have a pretty good opinion of the United States. Or did, until 2017. The Pew Global Attitudes Project did a survey about eight months after Trump took office. In 35 of the 37 countries surveyed, support for America's president dropped, in most cases precipitously. In comparing those who had either a lot or some confidence in Barack Obama to those who had a lot or some confidence in Donald Trump, the largest decline was in Sweden with a drop from 93% to 10%. The Netherlands and Germany had a 75-point drop, and three others were -68 or more. 17 countries were -41 or more, and 29 were -20 or more. The only two in which Trump scored higher were Israel and Russia. Also: World Opinion of Trump and U.S.And if you think it has improved for him in the years since, you are deluded. Yes, I'm lots of things. Not sure that is always something to be proud of.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2019 0:22:44 GMT -5
"""lying about WMD made Bush a bad president, imo.""
During the WMD crisis, I felt that we (the US public) had it backwards. There was a suspicion that Iraq had weapons - and the US was barred from seeing them.
IMO, it was necessary to our national defense for the US learn the truth - ie, stockpiled WMD, or no WMD. Ie, clear the area - physically verify the status. And that is what Bush did. (Maybe that is because I was an engineer in the Defense Industry for 35 years, I helped design and test those things).
false. UNSCOM was given unfettered access in the fall of 2002. they were about half done with their review of the previous hidden sites when Bush gave the order for them to withdraw in either Jan or Feb of that year. UNSCOM felt that the would have completed their investigation by September. had they been allowed to do so, it would have been shown that Iraq had no WMD.
so, yeah. you might have FELT that way, but what was actually going on was precisely as I just outlined it.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2019 0:24:08 GMT -5
If you've traveled a bit, even years ago, most countries don't like us at all.
This is nothing new.Never tried to think through the reasons other than maybe everyone is always gunning after #1, in regards to military, economy, standard of living, etc. Our allies never 'really' trust us. It's like sleeping next to an elephant. No matter how good natured the beast, it might roll over in it's sleep. False. Most major countries have a pretty good opinion of the United States. Or did, until 2017. The Pew Global Attitudes Project did a survey about eight months after Trump took office. In 35 of the 37 countries surveyed, support for America's president dropped, in most cases precipitously. In comparing those who had either a lot or some confidence in Barack Obama to those who had a lot or some confidence in Donald Trump, the largest decline was in Sweden with a drop from 93% to 10%. The Netherlands and Germany had a 75-point drop, and three others were -68 or more. 17 countries were -41 or more, and 29 were -20 or more. The only two in which Trump scored higher were Israel and Russia. Also: World Opinion of Trump and U.S.And if you think it has improved for him in the years since, you are deluded. I have never seen this data before. but it makes perfect sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 12:09:32 GMT -5
Yes, I'm lots of things. Not sure that is always something to be proud of. Is being bored with simplistic innuendo something for me to be proud of ?
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Post by ednkris on May 25, 2019 20:52:11 GMT -5
So how many lies does it take to make you a bad president? Now don't concern yourself with that question. Trump would be a horrible president even if he told the truth. The fact that his supporters don't hold him accountable for his lies is an indictment of them and their character, not so much of him. He has already demonstrated his own, and will be as dark a stain on America's history as we have yet seen from our political system. did you hold obama accountable
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Now don't concern yourself with that question. Trump would be a horrible president even if he told the truth. The fact that his supporters don't hold him accountable for his lies is an indictment of them and their character, not so much of him. He has already demonstrated his own, and will be as dark a stain on America's history as we have yet seen from our political system. did you hold obama accountable I did, I voted for Obama in 08 and Romney in 12 due to a couple issues I didn’t like where he was taking the country. Before Trump I had liked and respected every President in my lifetime going back to Reagan. Even though I didn’t agree with any of them on all the issues I still thought all of them cared about the country and the people in it, and I trusted their fingers on the “button”. I don’t think the current President cares about the country nor the people in it, he cares about enriching himself and his ego. That is the worst kind of person to trust our survival to and I just hope he is never put in a spot like the Cuban missile crisis. I say this as an Independent who has voted for who I thought would represent my view on the most issues and represent my country the best be it GOP, Democrat or Independent. I don’t foresee myself voting for any Federal GOP candidates anytime soon for their support and backing of someone like Trump.
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Post by tallguy on May 25, 2019 22:44:56 GMT -5
Now don't concern yourself with that question. Trump would be a horrible president even if he told the truth. The fact that his supporters don't hold him accountable for his lies is an indictment of them and their character, not so much of him. He has already demonstrated his own, and will be as dark a stain on America's history as we have yet seen from our political system. did you hold obama accountable For lying? He was historically one of our more honest presidents. He was often attacked for "lies" but many of those were things that were true when he said them. The most famous example being the, "If you like your doctor..." line. Under the ACA as written that was a true statement. The insurance companies changed their plans, and that was what caused people to lose what they had. It was not an Obama lie no matter what right-wing commentators said ad nauseam.
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Post by oped on May 26, 2019 6:31:41 GMT -5
Now don't concern yourself with that question. Trump would be a horrible president even if he told the truth. The fact that his supporters don't hold him accountable for his lies is an indictment of them and their character, not so much of him. He has already demonstrated his own, and will be as dark a stain on America's history as we have yet seen from our political system. did you hold obama accountable For? You cant with any awareness or integrity compare the way trump lies and conducts himself to any other president... I have no problem honestly evaluating any prior president for what I think they did well and what I disagree with. But it is not in any league similar to what is happening now...
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did you hold obama accountable For? You cant with any awareness or integrity compare the way trump lies and conducts himself to any other president... I have no problem honestly evaluating any prior president for what I think they did well and what I disagree with. But it is not in any league similar to what is happening now... In a way, people got exactly what they were voting for, a non politician. As far as what he's accomplished ? Mediocre.
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Post by happyhoix on May 26, 2019 11:54:46 GMT -5
Another question I have for our GOP posters is how they can claim we shouldn't listen to Cohen because, as the president likes to say, he's now a convicted liar. Cohen lied about all the same things Trump lied about - Cohen lied about making payments to Trump's ex GF's in order to keep them quiet in the election. Cohen lied about saying the Trump Tower Moscow deal was off the table, when it actually remained on the table right up until the inauguration. These are the exact same things Trump lied about, and continues to lie about.
So how can anyone believe Trump told the truth about not paying off GFs and not negotiating the Trump Tower Moscow during the election, when Cohen is sitting in jail for saying those exact things? I don't understand the mental flexibility required to hold as 'true' in your mind two completely opposite beliefs at the same time.
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Post by phil5185 on May 26, 2019 14:23:18 GMT -5
Obama - He was often attacked for "lies" but many of those were things that were true when he said them. lol, cute .
""In a way, people got exactly what they were voting for, a non politician.""
Yes - all those years with do-thing politicians who had no clue about how to manage a Capitalist government, finally we have someone who understands finance, business. If the Congressional Dems would stop re-fighting their lost election, expending their energy on 'destroy Trump', we could finally move fwd. But as long as Dems focus on name-calling, searching for gotha's, and bickering, Trump will keep responding in-kind - and the Dems will chalk it up to 'bad manners'. Really?
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dondub
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Post by dondub on May 26, 2019 14:31:16 GMT -5
You probably said the same things during Nixxon.
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ken a.k.a OMK
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on May 26, 2019 14:44:49 GMT -5
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happyhoix
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Post by happyhoix on May 26, 2019 15:00:37 GMT -5
Obama - He was often attacked for "lies" but many of those were things that were true when he said them. lol, cute .
""In a way, people got exactly what they were voting for, a non politician.""
Yes - all those years with do-thing politicians who had no clue about how to manage a Capitalist government, finally we have someone who understands finance, business. If the Congressional Dems would stop re-fighting their lost election, expending their energy on 'destroy Trump', we could finally move fwd. But as long as Dems focus on name-calling, searching for gotha's, and bickering, Trump will keep responding in-kind - and the Dems will chalk it up to 'bad manners'. Really?
The idea that Dems are trying to re-fight a lost election is a tired Rush Limbaugh red herring. The Mueller investigation was launched to determine if the Russians interfered with the 2016 election, something BOTH parties want to know, and BOTH parties agreed happened. It came up with 34 indictments - remind me again how many people were indicted as a result of the GOP's 10 investigations trying to pin Benghazi! on Clinton? Doesn't that seem like a much larger waste of energy, given how small the returns were from it? I don't remember you complaining about those investigations being a waste of time.
And I find your suggestion that if the Dems just shut up and played nicely, Trump would be a wonderful president. Can I remind you that Trump was one of the leaders of the 'birther' contingent - that he even paid out of his own pocket for a private investigator to try to track down Obama's 'real' birth certificate' - and he only gave up that cause the night before his first debate with Hillary? Eight years of trying to launch his own coup against the duly elected president (elected with a much larger margin than Trump had) by claiming he wasn't American, and now you think the Dems are responsible for the bickering and name calling? Trump is the KING of bickering and name calling. TRUMP has drug the political discourse of this nation down into the shit hole swamp he claimed he was going to rescue us from.
There was a time Presidents kept the high road and allowed their subordinates to do their fighting for them. That ended on Trump's inauguration day, a day that we may never, as a nation, fully recover from. The fact that you think everyone should just be content that a serially bankrupt, sleazy has been TV reality show star is running the country is laughable.
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