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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 2, 2019 14:59:30 GMT -5
I'm a smaller government guy, too, I just don't expect pixies and unicorns to build the roads, keep the planes from crashing into each other and to have someone keep tabs on the terrorists.
I hate that one thin dime of my tax money might go to build Trump's foolish wall, but I'll make every effort to fire any of my political representatives who agree to fund that particular project.
See I get to say 'my political representatives' because I pay my taxes, so they work for me. From now on, you've abdicated any right on this board to complain about our country, because you're not paying into it. You're just a tourist.
You wish I was a tourist. I'm a voting citizen who puts plenty of $$ in the right political hands, to achieve what I think is right. I will talk about anything I wish on this board as long as it doesn't go in arrears of the coc. Just like you. I don't expect to pay for the things you listed anymore, and a lot of other things. I've paid more than my share already. You pay that by your own free will, as you claim. You trap yourself in your own limitations, that you set for yourself. I don't feel sorry for you at all. You won't mind me signing this as "poor little x" as you labelled me, will you ? (Lol) You don't expect to pay for road infrastructure, safety in the skies, keeping your food, air and water from killing you, etc.? Then you shouldn't be using any of these things. You, mon ami, are a freeloader. "Oh, I paid for them in the past!" doesn't wash. You benefited from these services in the past. How about NOW? You want others to pay while you sit on your ass, not paying taxes.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 2, 2019 15:19:35 GMT -5
You know, my older sister worked and paid taxes from the age of 21 until she decided, at age 50, she was done, she had worked enough, she had paid enough taxes, and now it was time for her to start being on the receiving end of things. She quit her job, scammed her way onto disability, got some student loans she never paid off, and milked the system for every benefit and freebie she could find, all the while explaining how she was just 'living off what she'd paid into the system over all those years she worked.
She talked disdainfully of 'welfare queens' - like she was somehow better than they were, because she had paid taxes at one point in her life, and now she was just getting paid back for what she'd paid in.
If she wasn't dead, I'd think you were her.
She thought she was cleverer than average, too, because she was sharp enough to scam the system. Clever little x.
You're saying it wasn't a hoax that she was clever ? I never talk about welfare queens. I don't collect any money either. You seem unhappy about this. Is something bothering you about paying for your sisters well being ? As in she got free money from the government and you didn't ? I was wondering where that came from. I would have to say that I'm happy not paying for your sisters handout. stand aside and let us real tax-payers make the decisions.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2019 19:30:37 GMT -5
ok, so either you don't mind the rich paying for it, or you don't want ANY government.
please clarify which one.
More false dichotomy. There are more than two choices, as shown by the "(as is)" in my statement. I don't see any other alternatives. if you see a third, bring it.
until then, I will continue to assert that it is a true dichotomy, not a false one.
edit: I really am TRYING to follow your logic here, g. but you gotta help me through it, I am afraid. you lost me somewhere back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 8:37:22 GMT -5
You're saying it wasn't a hoax that she was clever ? I never talk about welfare queens. I don't collect any money either. You seem unhappy about this. Is something bothering you about paying for your sisters well being ? As in she got free money from the government and you didn't ? I was wondering where that came from. I would have to say that I'm happy not paying for your sisters handout. stand aside and let us real tax-payers make the decisions. Those who simply follow the rules, usually don't make good decision makers. They follow what the decision makers tell them to do. I'll never stand aside.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 8:46:01 GMT -5
More false dichotomy. There are more than two choices, as shown by the "(as is)" in my statement. I don't see any other alternatives. if you see a third, bring it.
until then, I will continue to assert that it is a true dichotomy, not a false one.
edit: I really am TRYING to follow your logic here, g. but you gotta help me through it, I am afraid. you lost me somewhere back.
As the scope of government enlarges, and slowly creeps more and more into the lives of its citizens. There will be push back. Non violent, lack of compliance is one way or doing this. Everyone does this to an extent. A little bit of speeding, breaking minor drug laws in the privacy of your homes, not paying taxes when the situation presents. The list is endless. The debate happens when those who think their way is the only way, to achieve more liberal activity. That was my reason for adding the government "as is" statement.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 3, 2019 11:07:21 GMT -5
I don't see any other alternatives. if you see a third, bring it.
until then, I will continue to assert that it is a true dichotomy, not a false one.
edit: I really am TRYING to follow your logic here, g. but you gotta help me through it, I am afraid. you lost me somewhere back.
As the scope of government enlarges, and slowly creeps more and more into the lives of its citizens. There will be push back. Non violent, lack of compliance is one way or doing this. Everyone does this to an extent. A little bit of speeding, breaking minor drug laws in the privacy of your homes, not paying taxes when the situation presents. The list is endless. The debate happens when those who think their way is the only way, to achieve more liberal activity. That was my reason for adding the government "as is" statement. I call BS. Just a BS excuse for being a freeloader.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 3, 2019 11:21:13 GMT -5
I don't see any other alternatives. if you see a third, bring it.
until then, I will continue to assert that it is a true dichotomy, not a false one.
edit: I really am TRYING to follow your logic here, g. but you gotta help me through it, I am afraid. you lost me somewhere back.
As the scope of government enlarges, and slowly creeps more and more into the lives of its citizens. There will be push back. Non violent, lack of compliance is one way or doing this. Everyone does this to an extent. A little bit of speeding, breaking minor drug laws in the privacy of your homes, not paying taxes when the situation presents. The list is endless. The debate happens when those who think their way is the only way, to achieve more liberal activity. That was my reason for adding the government "as is" statement. i'm sure those running Enron had similar excuses.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 3, 2019 13:10:08 GMT -5
I don't see any other alternatives. if you see a third, bring it.
until then, I will continue to assert that it is a true dichotomy, not a false one.
edit: I really am TRYING to follow your logic here, g. but you gotta help me through it, I am afraid. you lost me somewhere back.
As the scope of government enlarges, and slowly creeps more and more into the lives of its citizens. There will be push back. Non violent, lack of compliance is one way or doing this. Everyone does this to an extent. A little bit of speeding, breaking minor drug laws in the privacy of your homes, not paying taxes when the situation presents. The list is endless. The debate happens when those who think their way is the only way, to achieve more liberal activity. That was my reason for adding the government "as is" statement. I didn't see you as an "as is" kind of guy. thanks for clearing that up, tho.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 9:38:31 GMT -5
As the scope of government enlarges, and slowly creeps more and more into the lives of its citizens. There will be push back. Non violent, lack of compliance is one way or doing this. Everyone does this to an extent. A little bit of speeding, breaking minor drug laws in the privacy of your homes, not paying taxes when the situation presents. The list is endless. The debate happens when those who think their way is the only way, to achieve more liberal activity. That was my reason for adding the government "as is" statement. I call BS. Just a BS excuse for being a freeloader. That's why my second to the last line is in the response. What's the matter ? Don't you like my effective, self enriching protest against bigger government ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 9:40:52 GMT -5
As the scope of government enlarges, and slowly creeps more and more into the lives of its citizens. There will be push back. Non violent, lack of compliance is one way or doing this. Everyone does this to an extent. A little bit of speeding, breaking minor drug laws in the privacy of your homes, not paying taxes when the situation presents. The list is endless. The debate happens when those who think their way is the only way, to achieve more liberal activity. That was my reason for adding the government "as is" statement. i'm sure those running Enron had similar excuses. I look at it as a course of action. Excuses are needed for those who follow the rules without question. Even as a conservative, I'm too liberal for that. Compared to Enron ? I'm just a little fish, just swimming through the holes in a net that's too big.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 6, 2019 9:45:36 GMT -5
You're saying it wasn't a hoax that she was clever ? I never talk about welfare queens. I don't collect any money either. You seem unhappy about this. Is something bothering you about paying for your sisters well being ? As in she got free money from the government and you didn't ? I was wondering where that came from. I would have to say that I'm happy not paying for your sisters handout. stand aside and let us real tax-payers make the decisions. Years ago, that is how it was in the country. No one was satisfied with that. Now you want to go back to it?
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 6, 2019 13:35:36 GMT -5
stand aside and let us real tax-payers make the decisions. Years ago, that is how it was in the country. No one was satisfied with that. Now you want to go back to it? Most of us are still that way, both lefties and righties. I think most people realize taxes are the cost of living in society. Sure you can bitch about what they get spent on, and work to change that, but we still pay what we owe. Mostly.
Only little x has declared himself too smart to have to pay taxes.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 6, 2019 14:54:40 GMT -5
i'm sure those running Enron had similar excuses. I look at it as a course of action. Excuses are needed for those who follow the rules without question. Even as a conservative, I'm too liberal for that. Compared to Enron ? I'm just a little fish, just swimming through the holes in a net that's too big.Well, maybe everyone should do that! Watch everything from Social Security to infrastructure to the military collapse! But no....you're special! YOU don't want to pay taxes, but are living off the efforts of others. That's called freeloading, and you're no better than a welfare queen, with crab legs in her Coach purse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 9:48:40 GMT -5
Years ago, that is how it was in the country. No one was satisfied with that. Now you want to go back to it? Most of us are still that way, both lefties and righties. I think most people realize taxes are the cost of living in society. Sure you can bitch about what they get spent on, and work to change that, but we still pay what we owe. Mostly.
Only little x has declared himself too smart to have to pay taxes.
19 years running. I like having others pay for my services. Win, win, for me happyhoax.
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Post by dondub on Mar 7, 2019 9:59:23 GMT -5
Show us your tax return.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 7, 2019 11:51:24 GMT -5
stand aside and let us real tax-payers make the decisions. Years ago, that is how it was in the country. No one was satisfied with that. Now you want to go back to it? "Those who own the country ought to run it"-
John Jay
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 7, 2019 12:17:34 GMT -5
Most of us are still that way, both lefties and righties. I think most people realize taxes are the cost of living in society. Sure you can bitch about what they get spent on, and work to change that, but we still pay what we owe. Mostly.
Only little x has declared himself too smart to have to pay taxes.
19 years running. I like having others pay for my services. Win, win, for me happyhoax. Welfare cheats and people who scam their way into Medicaid and SS disability love having others pay for their services, too, little x.
My happiness comes from having earned everything myself, with my (and my DH's) hard work and savings, without relying on relatives, the government, friends, or illegal scams for even a penny of my net worth.
Plus - I don't have to lose sleep at night worried that at some point, the IRS is going to figure that shit out and come after me.
Sleep tight, little x. 19 years of back taxes would be quite a hill to surmount, if it comes to it.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 7, 2019 12:23:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 12:45:48 GMT -5
19 years running. I like having others pay for my services. Win, win, for me happyhoax. Welfare cheats and people who scam their way into Medicaid and SS disability love having others pay for their services, too, little x.
My happiness comes from having earned everything myself, with my (and my DH's) hard work and savings, without relying on relatives, the government, friends, or illegal scams for even a penny of my net worth.
Plus - I don't have to lose sleep at night worried that at some point, the IRS is going to figure that shit out and come after me.
Sleep tight, little x. 19 years of back taxes would be quite a hill to surmount, if it comes to it.
That's the advantage of undocumented value. I sleep well happyhoax. ...because I know I have you to count on, for paying the bill... Get in line with the rest of the suckers, April 15 is just around the corner.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 12:57:55 GMT -5
Only the dumb ones get caught. Or the ones that try to get away with too much, all at once, at one time.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 7, 2019 14:41:47 GMT -5
Have all the dancing bananas you want.
You aren't contributing and want to tell everyone else that is paying what to do.
How conservative of you.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 7, 2019 16:05:58 GMT -5
Well, the rest of us now know that we can ignore little x's comments, because he's a tax dodger, which is one level lower than someone living on welfare.
The welfare person might have a legitimate reason they're not able to contribute to society. Tax dodgers could contribute, but chose not to, out of greed and arrogance that they'll never get caught.
Of course, taxes are what ended up catching Al Capone, before the syphilis killed him.
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Post by phil5185 on Mar 7, 2019 19:41:53 GMT -5
Well, the rest of us now know that we can ignore little x's comments, because he's a tax dodger, which is one level lower than someone living on welfare.
The welfare person might have a legitimate reason they're not able to contribute to society. Tax dodgers could contribute, but chose not to, out of greed and arrogance that they'll never get caught.
Of course, taxes are what ended up catching Al Capone, before the syphilis killed him.
You do know that 'x' is jerking your chain? When you have a large group of rental properties, you depreciate them, usually on a 27.5 year schedule. The annual depreciation deduction offsets much of the rental income. Ie, you are allowed to keep the rental income nearly tax free for 27.5 years. He is not a tax dodger, he is simply following Tax Code.
As for not paying the taxes, that is temporary - when you sell the properties, there is a depreciation recapture plus a capital gains tax on the profits. Or you can defer the tax by using a 1031 Starker Exchange - note that I said defer, not avoid.
'x' I don't often take the derivative of x-squared, but when I do I drink dos equis.
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Post by dondub on Mar 7, 2019 20:07:08 GMT -5
Or when x dies he can will the properties at the 'new basis' and the heirs pay no tax.
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