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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 26, 2019 16:28:56 GMT -5
Old saying from one of our elder statesmen. Wish I could remember who it was. I don't recall that, but I have always said that it is my duty as an American to pay my taxes, the lowest amount that I can legally justify. I have added recently, "I do have to pay my taxes, but I'll be damned if I'm going to leave a tip!" this is precisely where I fall. I will add this:
I am not in favor of running deficits in a growing economy. I view it as theft from my progeny. I think it is incredibly selfish for those of us alive to saddle those unborn with $22T in unpaid bills. actually, I consider it utterly immoral.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 26, 2019 16:34:19 GMT -5
Ok , I can agree with the federal tax discussion. I don't pay any, and will continue by any means possible, to achieve this continuing goal. don't want any military, border patrol, or customs, eh? Never drives on the interstate system, doesn't fly, doesn't care who gets ecoli from unsafe food
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Post by dezii on Feb 26, 2019 16:39:42 GMT -5
Why? I put no time nor energy into minimizing my tax payment. There are certainly things I wish our government wasn't spending money on. I just pretend that my dollars are going towards the things that I fully support. I think about my disabled granddaughter who receives Medicaid, about $700/mo in SSI and food stamps. Glad she is able to receive such benefits ...glad we live in a country that supports such treatment for those who need it...glad there are political parties who also feel such help for those who need it is a good thing..
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Post by tbop77 on Feb 27, 2019 5:56:11 GMT -5
Never drives on the interstate system, doesn't fly, doesn't care who gets ecoli from unsafe food No, nothing like that. Just a freeloader. Lives on the largesse of others and does not care. In fact, rather proud of the theft. I will wear being called intelligential dishonest by a tax cheat as a badge of honor. And I won't hold my breath on the trickle down tax cuts from President Reagan to take effect. Or President Bush.....Or President Trump. It is cheap entertain to hear conservatives justify a company raking in billions in profit paying $0 in federal taxes.
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Post by swamp on Feb 27, 2019 9:21:13 GMT -5
I think about my disabled granddaughter who receives Medicaid, about $700/mo in SSI and food stamps. Glad she is able to receive such benefits ...glad we live in a country that supports such treatment for those who need it...glad there are political parties who also feel such help for those who need it is a good thing.. I am too, but there are certain people that would call her a leech, a drain on the system, and want to cut her benefits. Because you know she's getting rich on that $700 a month.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 10:32:59 GMT -5
Ok , I can agree with the federal tax discussion. I don't pay any, and will continue by any means possible, to achieve this continuing goal. don't want any military, border patrol, or customs, eh? We'll still have those things.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 10:40:08 GMT -5
Ok , I can agree with the federal tax discussion. I don't pay any, and will continue by any means possible, to achieve this continuing goal. Why? I put no time nor energy into minimizing my tax payment. There are certainly things I wish our government wasn't spending money on. I just pretend that my dollars are going towards the things that I fully support. The size of the amount is the driver for me.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 27, 2019 10:41:30 GMT -5
don't want any military, border patrol, or customs, eh? We'll still have those things. Of course, because some understand there is a need to pay for them. Others who think the government is they, not we, work to ride for free.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 10:42:57 GMT -5
don't want any military, border patrol, or customs, eh? Never drives on the interstate system, doesn't fly, doesn't care who gets ecoli from unsafe food I'm counting on everyone else's money to pay for these services.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 27, 2019 10:45:18 GMT -5
Never drives on the interstate system, doesn't fly, doesn't care who gets ecoli from unsafe food I'm counting on everyone else's money to pay for these services. That is called "freeloading". If you ever complain about the "welfare queen buying crab" you can expect to be reminded of your bragging about not paying taxes on the backs of the rest of us.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 27, 2019 10:46:27 GMT -5
Glad she is able to receive such benefits ...glad we live in a country that supports such treatment for those who need it...glad there are political parties who also feel such help for those who need it is a good thing.. I am too, but there are certain people that would call her a leech, a drain on the system, and want to cut her benefits. Because you know she's getting rich on that $700 a month. Yes, there are. And sure, she's living high on that $700/mo...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 10:49:21 GMT -5
We'll still have those things. Of course, because some understand there is a need to pay for them. Others who think the government is they, not we, work to ride for free. Federal IRS operates by enforced compliance. The "need" in need to pay is subjective.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 27, 2019 10:49:54 GMT -5
Why? I put no time nor energy into minimizing my tax payment. There are certainly things I wish our government wasn't spending money on. I just pretend that my dollars are going towards the things that I fully support. The size of the amount is the driver for me. I don't accept the amount is what drives you. If: "I work to pay the amount of tax that I feel is the reasonable charge for the benefits I receive from my government. " However: "I don't pay any, ..."
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Post by swamp on Feb 27, 2019 10:51:19 GMT -5
Of course, because some understand there is a need to pay for them. Others who think the government is they, not we, work to ride for free. Federal IRS operates by enforced compliance. The "need" in need to pay is subjective. Not killing people is also regulated by enforced compliance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 10:51:33 GMT -5
I'm counting on everyone else's money to pay for these services. That is called "freeloading". If you ever complain about the "welfare queen buying crab" you can expect to be reminded of your bragging about not paying taxes on the backs of the rest of us. I'm not bragging, just stating the fact. I never complain about welfare queens. Why would I ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 10:53:40 GMT -5
Federal IRS operates by enforced compliance. The "need" in need to pay is subjective. Not killing people is also regulated by enforced compliance. Didn't you just complain about my income tax to property tax comparison as apple to oranges ? How does murder relate.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 27, 2019 10:54:38 GMT -5
Of course, because some understand there is a need to pay for them. Others who think the government is they, not we, work to ride for free. Federal IRS operates by enforced compliance. The "need" in need to pay is subjective. Just as there is a subset of the population that requires we have a police force, there is a subset of the population that requires the IRS to force compliance with our tax laws.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 10:57:25 GMT -5
The size of the amount is the driver for me. I don't accept the amount is what drives you. If: "I work to pay the amount of tax that I feel is the reasonable charge for the benefits I receive from my government. " However: "I don't pay any, ..." You don't have to accept it. I was responding as to your statement about having the energy to do it. The amount not paid in taxes, is what drives me in that regard.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 10:57:57 GMT -5
Federal IRS operates by enforced compliance. The "need" in need to pay is subjective. Just as there is a subset of the population that requires we have a police force, there is a subset of the population that requires the IRS to force compliance with our tax laws. Of course.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 27, 2019 11:03:28 GMT -5
I don't recall that, but I have always said that it is my duty as an American to pay my taxes, the lowest amount that I can legally justify. I have added recently, "I do have to pay my taxes, but I'll be damned if I'm going to leave a tip!" this is precisely where I fall. I will add this:
I am not in favor of running deficits in a growing economy. I view it as theft from my progeny. I think it is incredibly selfish for those of us alive to saddle those unborn with $22T in unpaid bills. actually, I consider it utterly immoral.
Did We not have a an increase in deficits under Obama, "Growing Economy" ??
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Post by swamp on Feb 27, 2019 11:04:30 GMT -5
Not killing people is also regulated by enforced compliance. Didn't you just complain about my income tax to property tax comparison as apple to oranges ? How does murder relate. You're talking about enforcing compliance. All laws are forced compliance. You don't have to comply. Until you're caught. Then you suffer the consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 11:10:28 GMT -5
Didn't you just complain about my income tax to property tax comparison as apple to oranges ? How does murder relate. You're talking about enforcing compliance. All laws are forced compliance. You don't have to comply. Until you're caught. Then you suffer the consequences. Yes, enforced compliance. But how does murder relate ? In a discussion about federal income tax.
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Post by swamp on Feb 27, 2019 11:19:08 GMT -5
You're talking about enforcing compliance. All laws are forced compliance. You don't have to comply. Until you're caught. Then you suffer the consequences. Yes, enforced compliance. But how does murder relate ? In a discussion about federal income tax. it's called an analogy. You were trying to argue you did pay taxes because you paid your local land taxes. That is not part of a federal tax avoidance plan. You justified not paying income tax because it's only "forced compliance," but every other crime is also enforced by forced compliance. You are committing a felony.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 27, 2019 11:27:46 GMT -5
don't want any military, border patrol, or customs, eh? We'll still have those things. with significant porosity.
why should I tolerate how poorly Texas manages MY border?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 27, 2019 11:30:45 GMT -5
this is precisely where I fall. I will add this:
I am not in favor of running deficits in a growing economy. I view it as theft from my progeny. I think it is incredibly selfish for those of us alive to saddle those unborn with $22T in unpaid bills. actually, I consider it utterly immoral.
Did We not have a an increase in deficits under Obama, "Growing Economy" ?? for most of his term, YES.
every president since Reagan has done very poorly in this respect, oc. I could mention that Democrats rarely even pay lip service to balancing the budget, but that doesn't actually matter to me. they are still guilty.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 27, 2019 11:33:32 GMT -5
Of course, because some understand there is a need to pay for them. Others who think the government is they, not we, work to ride for free. Federal IRS operates by enforced compliance. The "need" in need to pay is subjective. I prefer the term obligation.
we are obligated by the social contract.
the alternative is anarchism.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 12:40:10 GMT -5
Yes, enforced compliance. But how does murder relate ? In a discussion about federal income tax. it's called an analogy. You were trying to argue you did pay taxes because you paid your local land taxes. That is not part of a federal tax avoidance plan. You justified not paying income tax because it's only "forced compliance," but every other crime is also enforced by forced compliance. You are committing a felony. Neither is murder. (bolded) Apples to oranges. I justify not paying federal income tax because I don't want to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 12:42:20 GMT -5
Federal IRS operates by enforced compliance. The "need" in need to pay is subjective. I prefer the term obligation.
we are obligated by the social contract.
the alternative is anarchism.
Or at least limited to the enforced compliance's effectiveness. Which is quite thorough, actually.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 12:54:46 GMT -5
The majority of the US population is cowed by the IRS, and it's self generated perception of what enforced compliance is, and more importantly, what it isn't, and most will not affect a self policy of tax avoidance.
They simply follow the rules as dictated.
Even as a conservative, I'm too liberal for that.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 27, 2019 13:00:01 GMT -5
That is called "freeloading". If you ever complain about the "welfare queen buying crab" you can expect to be reminded of your bragging about not paying taxes on the backs of the rest of us. I'm not bragging, just stating the fact. I never complain about welfare queens.
Why would I ?Quite appropriate considering the fact that by not paying federal income taxes you qualify as one
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