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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2019 21:00:34 GMT -5
I don’t have a problem with it. I see other countries wising up and protecting their borders and citizens. Of course they love their countries. well, i can't compete with that. i can't possible love any country that would shoot asylum seekers as a national policy.
so, you are welcome to it. best of luck to you.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2019 21:02:05 GMT -5
you sure you meant enemies, here?
because i don't expect our enemies to fix anything.
and i am talking about the extinction of mankind, not our individuals deaths, which are, indeed, certain as sunrise.
I mean so-called Americans who hate this country and want nothing more than to destroy it. no need. we are busy destroying ourselves.
i would assume that we both agree on this, but for differing reasons.
for the record, i don't hate the US. i used to love her enough to risk my life expressing my opinion. but i don't love her that much any more, though i do wish her the best.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 3, 2019 21:02:20 GMT -5
Oh of course you’ll win because this country is being sold out from under its citizens.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 3, 2019 21:03:46 GMT -5
I mean so-called Americans who hate this country and want nothing more than to destroy it. no need. we are busy destroying ourselves.
i would assume that we both agree on this, but for differing reasons.
for the record, i don't hate the US. i used to love her enough to risk my life expressing my opinion. but i don't love her that much any more, though i do wish her the best.
I think a lot of citizens have just given up. It’s exhausting to care when most of the politicians don’t.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2019 21:06:00 GMT -5
you sure you meant enemies, here?
because i don't expect our enemies to fix anything.
and i am talking about the extinction of mankind, not our individuals deaths, which are, indeed, certain as sunrise.
They’re more dangerous than any foreign enemy because they have fooled people who should know better into continuing to follow and vote for them. you totally lost me, zib.
for the record, i was talking about very REAL enemies within our borders. forces of hate who would like to see us ALL dead (particularly white liberals, such as myself).
there are also those that wish for the End Times. they can go fuck off, too.
you know full well i didn't vote for a Republican OR Democrat last time. i ended up writing in my presidential candidate, just like you did.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 3, 2019 21:07:56 GMT -5
They’re more dangerous than any foreign enemy because they have fooled people who should know better into continuing to follow and vote for them. you totally lost me, bin.
for the record, i was talking about very REAL enemies within our borders. forces of hate who would like to see us ALL dead (particularly white liberals, such as myself).
there are also those that wish for the End Times. they can go fuck off, too.
you know full well i didn't vote for a Republican OR Democrat last time. i ended up writing in my presidential candidate, just like you did.
Probably the same as the ones who hate conservatives
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2019 21:08:41 GMT -5
Oh of course you’ll win because this country is being sold out from under its citizens. i will win because i am no longer playing this game.
imo, the US is heading for serious trouble, and there is no amount of Trump or Pelosi-ism that can save her.
i had mostly given up in 2003. then, for about 10 years, i felt better about the US. but now, i am pessimistic again.
all superpowers fade. at one point Denmark and Rome fought for supremacy of the civilized world. now they fight for crumbs.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2019 21:10:32 GMT -5
you totally lost me, bin.
for the record, i was talking about very REAL enemies within our borders. forces of hate who would like to see us ALL dead (particularly white liberals, such as myself).
there are also those that wish for the End Times. they can go fuck off, too.
you know full well i didn't vote for a Republican OR Democrat last time. i ended up writing in my presidential candidate, just like you did.
Probably the same as the ones who hate conservatives i don't hate much of anyone, let alone an entire group.
my dad was as conservative as anyone on this board, and i loved him as only a son could. because of that, i am always trying to find the good in EVERYONE, including those seeking asylum.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 3, 2019 21:12:41 GMT -5
Yup, I sometimes regret not having grandchildren. Now I’m grateful. Where can decent people live ? In what country will they be safe? DD has a job skill so any country would take her but DS? He’s stuck in a country that’s going to be destroyed. I’m too old for any decent country to take me. I couldn’t even buy my way into it and out of here.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2019 21:16:37 GMT -5
Yup, I sometimes regret not having grandchildren. Now I’m grateful. Where can decent people live ? there are tons of beautiful places to live- full of warm, caring, people looking out for each other's welfare.
you want a list?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2019 21:20:05 GMT -5
DD has a job skill so any country would take her but DS? He’s stuck in a country that’s going to be destroyed. I’m too old for any decent country to take me. I couldn’t even buy my way into it and out of here. now that might be true. i can't really argue with that.
zib- i just want to say that i really do wish you all the best. i wish that i could recommend some place in the US where you would feel welcome and cared for, but it has become a really small place where nobody really looks out for each other any more, imo. and i truly am sorry for that, and any role i might have played in it. i really have tried hard to look out for everyone that i came into contact with that i felt deserved a chance. but i have kinda lost hope in this place. another thing we apparently have in common.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 3, 2019 21:30:19 GMT -5
I’ll be okay, I think. It’s my kids I worry about. I think I won’t live long enough to see the US destroyed. At least I hope not.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2019 21:31:52 GMT -5
I’ll be okay, I think. It’s my kids I worry about. I think I won’t live long enough to see the US destroyed. At least I hope not. i worry about my son, as well. i hope he has the sense to move.
candidly, it is half my motivation for going: to show him the way.
hopefully, he will follow, but i am not going to TELL him anything.
he's an adult, he can decide for himself.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 4, 2019 10:32:08 GMT -5
The USA won't be destroyed. It may become something you don't like, but it won't be destroyed. We still have the most money. China is gaining on us. That might be more transformative than us bringing in more labor resources and more consumers. Maybe in a hundred years, the America first people will get their wish and instead of people coming here, they will go to China, and then we will see the true economic impact of a shrinking population.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 4, 2019 13:38:09 GMT -5
Yup, I sometimes regret not having grandchildren. Now I’m grateful. Where can decent people live ? In what country will they be safe? DD has a job skill so any country would take her but DS? He’s stuck in a country that’s going to be destroyed. I’m too old for any decent country to take me. I couldn’t even buy my way into it and out of here. Are you willing to move to a "shithole country"? Because every single decent first world country is far, far more liberal than the USA....countries that many would call "socialist democracies". Would you be happy living in a place where you're surrounded by uber-libs? Liberalism...the destroyer of countries, according to you. Which "decent" countries are you referring to?
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Post by hurley1980 on Feb 4, 2019 16:00:46 GMT -5
I'm really like to know what has happened to you to make you so irrationally fearful of refugees?
It must be exhausting going through life so scared all of the time!
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 4, 2019 17:30:03 GMT -5
I still want to know which "decent" countries she's referring to. Almost all of them embrace everything she despises, from socialized medicine to paid maternity leave to the welcoming of refugees. They're hotbeds of liberalism.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 4, 2019 21:32:34 GMT -5
The USA won't be destroyed. It may become something you don't like, but it won't be destroyed. it all depends on what you think the US is.
if we continue subverting basic institutions, we will end up in the same spot Russia is in.
Russia is, indeed, still there. but it is just not a place that any sensible person (with any real choice) would want to live.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 4, 2019 21:34:37 GMT -5
I'm really like to know what has happened to you to make you so irrationally fearful of refugees?
It must be exhausting going through life so scared all of the time! I don't think zib is scared. I think she is angry. and I think I understand it pretty well, even though I don't share her anger.
I have my own anger. it is anger at small minded bigots and despots that want to turn our country into something resembling Russia.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 4, 2019 22:24:05 GMT -5
I'm really like to know what has happened to you to make you so irrationally fearful of refugees?
It must be exhausting going through life so scared all of the time! I don't think zib is scared. I think she is angry. and I think I understand it pretty well, even though I don't share her anger.
I have my own anger. it is anger at small minded bigots and despots that want to turn our country into something resembling Russia.
I wondered how long it’d take before precious appeared. Not that long to butt in as per usual. DJ, you at least are rational. We don’t agree on the direction this country is headed but we do agree on getting the hell out before it’s ruined. So sick of Dems and Rinos and Pubs in general. Even if we could be rid of the ones in power, idiots would elect more of the same.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 5, 2019 8:10:38 GMT -5
Hmmmmm, some want to get out of this Country, others want in.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 5, 2019 12:52:00 GMT -5
Free ride is very tempting. I wonder if we offered no kind of financial incentive to illegals including nothing for their anchors, if they would go away? No free medical care, no schooling. It might work
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 5, 2019 16:20:20 GMT -5
Free ride is very tempting. I wonder if we offered no kind of financial incentive to illegals including nothing for their anchors, if they would go away? No free medical care, no schooling. It might work I don't think so, zib.
they can get free medical care and schooling where many of them are from. the still come.
that is because they can get JOBS here. JOBS that pay 10x what they pay back home.
we need to stop PAYING illegally, and THEN they will stop coming.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 5, 2019 16:26:57 GMT -5
I'm really like to know what has happened to you to make you so irrationally fearful of refugees?
It must be exhausting going through life so scared all of the time! I don't think zib is scared. I think she is angry. and I think I understand it pretty well, even though I don't share her anger.
I have my own anger. it is anger at small minded bigots and despots that want to turn our country into something resembling Russia.
I think anyone who uses a racist smear to describe innocent babies is deplorable. I don’t care whether (or why) they are angry or scared. They disgust me.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 5, 2019 17:04:25 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 5, 2019 17:31:31 GMT -5
The only way they will stop coming is economic parity in their country and safety at home.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 5, 2019 17:37:46 GMT -5
Penalize U.S. employers of illegal immigrants with fines and prison time and there won't be any work here in the States for them. Easy fix. But then both Democrats and Republicans lawmakers know U.S. employers need these workers.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 5, 2019 19:52:14 GMT -5
Penalize U.S. employers of illegal immigrants with fines and prison time and there won't be any work here in the States for them. Easy fix. But then both Democrats and Republicans lawmakers know U.S. employers need these workers. That would push the issue towards what legal immigration should look like.
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Post by tbop77 on Feb 5, 2019 20:01:21 GMT -5
Kinda comical, isn't it? He has made his whole presidency about illegals. Why is the saying "LOCK HIM UP" going through my head? And....I don't want to hear how many employees he has and that he can't stop hiring illegals. He hires the best and brightest, right?
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 5, 2019 20:34:04 GMT -5
I don't think zib is scared. I think she is angry. and I think I understand it pretty well, even though I don't share her anger.
I have my own anger. it is anger at small minded bigots and despots that want to turn our country into something resembling Russia.
I think anyone who uses a racist smear to describe innocent babies is deplorable. I don’t care whether (or why) they are angry or scared. They disgust me. Tough.
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