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Post by zibazinski on Feb 5, 2019 20:35:50 GMT -5
Free ride is very tempting. I wonder if we offered no kind of financial incentive to illegals including nothing for their anchors, if they would go away? No free medical care, no schooling. It might work I don't think so, zib.
they can get free medical care and schooling where many of them are from. the still come.
that is because they can get JOBS here. JOBS that pay 10x what they pay back home.
we need to stop PAYING illegally, and THEN they will stop coming.
I don’t think they do. Here all you have to do is drop a baby and it’s a golden ticket. Considering they breed like rabbits, why work when you can live off your anchors?
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 5, 2019 22:06:33 GMT -5
I don't think so, zib.
they can get free medical care and schooling where many of them are from. the still come.
that is because they can get JOBS here. JOBS that pay 10x what they pay back home.
we need to stop PAYING illegally, and THEN they will stop coming.
I don’t think they do. Here all you have to do is drop a baby and it’s a golden ticket. Considering they breed like rabbits, why work when you can live off your anchors? You have stated this so many times, but you have never provided any proof where an illegal immigrant is living 100% on government assistance. You say "I've seen it" but then you don't say where. You have no statistics, no source, no proof. You might be a little less angry if you knew the real truth.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 5, 2019 22:46:13 GMT -5
I don’t think they do. Here all you have to do is drop a baby and it’s a golden ticket. Considering they breed like rabbits, why work when you can live off your anchors? You have stated this so many times, but you have never provided any proof where an illegal immigrant is living 100% on government assistance. You say "I've seen it" but then you don't say where. You have no statistics, no source, no proof. You might be a little less angry if you knew the real truth. Ok thyme4change,, what is the truth,,,, Real truth is pretty hard to come by on this board!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 9:47:15 GMT -5
You have stated this so many times, but you have never provided any proof where an illegal immigrant is living 100% on government assistance. You say "I've seen it" but then you don't say where. You have no statistics, no source, no proof. You might be a little less angry if you knew the real truth. Ok thyme4change,, what is the truth,,,, Real truth is pretty hard to come by on this board!! Any board ! No shortage of those calling liar, liar, however.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 9:52:42 GMT -5
I don't think so, zib.
they can get free medical care and schooling where many of them are from. the still come.
that is because they can get JOBS here. JOBS that pay 10x what they pay back home.
we need to stop PAYING illegally, and THEN they will stop coming.
I don’t think they do. Here all you have to do is drop a baby and it’s a golden ticket. Considering they breed like rabbits, why work when you can live off your anchors? Just in the news last week, about a business operating, bringing pregnant Chinese women here to give birth. Why would they do that, lol.
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Post by hurley1980 on Feb 6, 2019 14:27:14 GMT -5
I don’t think they do. Here all you have to do is drop a baby and it’s a golden ticket. Considering they breed like rabbits, why work when you can live off your anchors? Just in the news last week, about a business operating, bringing pregnant Chinese women here to give birth. Why would they do that, lol. I've read about this before. Apparently its quite a lucrative business. Rich Chinese families will pay big bucks for the mother to come stay in a fancy apartment or hotel for the last couple months of her pregnancy. She will have the finest room at the hospital, then when the child is born, it will have duel citizenship, which will make it easier for the child to attend American Universities when they graduate. They don't stay here and sponge, they go back to China. Its just an easy loophole to get their kid to be able to go to college in the US.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 6, 2019 14:38:54 GMT -5
I don’t think they do. Here all you have to do is drop a baby and it’s a golden ticket. Considering they breed like rabbits, why work when you can live off your anchors? Just in the news last week, about a business operating, bringing pregnant Chinese women here to give birth. Why would they do that, lol. Russian women are doing the same thing. They mostly go to Miami. It's considered quite prestigious in Moscow to have a baby born in the US.
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 6, 2019 14:46:32 GMT -5
I don’t think they do. Here all you have to do is drop a baby and it’s a golden ticket. Considering they breed like rabbits, why work when you can live off your anchors? You have stated this so many times, but you have never provided any proof where an illegal immigrant is living 100% on government assistance. You say "I've seen it" but then you don't say where. You have no statistics, no source, no proof. You might be a little less angry if you knew the real truth. Amen! Notice the people that come here and spout this hate can never actually come up with any kind of proof or even a well articulated opinion to back up the claims made. Zib and AS are probably the biggest offenders. I've yet to see either back their claims up.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 6, 2019 17:18:36 GMT -5
I don't think so, zib.
they can get free medical care and schooling where many of them are from. the still come.
that is because they can get JOBS here. JOBS that pay 10x what they pay back home.
we need to stop PAYING illegally, and THEN they will stop coming.
I don’t think they do. Here all you have to do is drop a baby and it’s a golden ticket. Considering they breed like rabbits, why work when you can live off your anchors? I can only speak to Guatemala, Costa Rica and Mexico. there is a public healthcare system and a public school system there. it is "free" and of decent quality.
so, if you "don't think so" I am going to need you to provide an example of a country in Central America that does not have public schools or public healthcare.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 6, 2019 17:19:25 GMT -5
I don’t think they do. Here all you have to do is drop a baby and it’s a golden ticket. Considering they breed like rabbits, why work when you can live off your anchors? Just in the news last week, about a business operating, bringing pregnant Chinese women here to give birth. Why would they do that, lol. why indeed, when you can invite American men THERE to get Chinese women pregnant, and achieve the same result?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 6, 2019 17:20:32 GMT -5
You have stated this so many times, but you have never provided any proof where an illegal immigrant is living 100% on government assistance. You say "I've seen it" but then you don't say where. You have no statistics, no source, no proof. You might be a little less angry if you knew the real truth. Ok thyme4change,, what is the truth,,,, Real truth is pretty hard to come by on this board!! no, it isn't. you can just read my posts.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 6, 2019 17:24:14 GMT -5
I don’t think they do. Here all you have to do is drop a baby and it’s a golden ticket. Considering they breed like rabbits, why work when you can live off your anchors? I can only speak to Guatemala. there is a public healthcare system and a public school system there. it is "free" and of decent quality.
so, if you "don't think so" I am going to need you to provide an example of a country in Central America that does not have public schools or public healthcare.
Don't hold your breath. I'm still waiting for her to elaborate on which "decent" countries she was referring to. You know, countries which aren't bastions of liberalism.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 6, 2019 22:12:00 GMT -5
You have stated this so many times, but you have never provided any proof where an illegal immigrant is living 100% on government assistance. You say "I've seen it" but then you don't say where. You have no statistics, no source, no proof. You might be a little less angry if you knew the real truth. Amen! Notice the people that come here and spout this hate can never actually come up with any kind of proof or even a well articulated opinion to back up the claims made. Zib and AS are probably the biggest offenders. I've yet to see either back their claims up. I don't think I have ever said that the illegals are getting 100% assistance from the Government,
I have posted some true stories recently about Illegals that I do know, that are not the stand up people that you try to make out to be wonderful people, Do I know some fine people that happen to be Illegal,, yes I do.
Here is the funny thing,, you all think it is the conservative business that prey on these people,,
The one's that I know that employ the most illegals,, Are hard core Democrats,,
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 7, 2019 7:18:19 GMT -5
Amen! Notice the people that come here and spout this hate can never actually come up with any kind of proof or even a well articulated opinion to back up the claims made. Zib and AS are probably the biggest offenders. I've yet to see either back their claims up. I don't think I have ever said that the illegals are getting 100% assistance from the Government,
I have posted some true stories recently about Illegals that I do know, that are not the stand up people that you try to make out to be wonderful people, Do I know some fine people that happen to be Illegal,, yes I do.
Here is the funny thing,, you all think it is the conservative business that prey on these people,,
The one's that I know that employ the most illegals,, Are hard core Democrats,,
What you do is surf the internet trying to find any story you can about illegals that shed a bad light on them and start a thread about it. Others, including myself contradict your view with fact, often from within the article you include in your OP. You then claim that illegals are evil in another way or say that a stupid wall that's never going to happen will solve the problem. When asked how, you don't answer. That's very different than making illegals out to be wonderful people. Show us some facts, not an article that you found and put your spin on. If you actually bothered to learn something instead of trolling, you might have a different view.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 7, 2019 11:03:03 GMT -5
I don't think I have ever said that the illegals are getting 100% assistance from the Government,
I have posted some true stories recently about Illegals that I do know, that are not the stand up people that you try to make out to be wonderful people, Do I know some fine people that happen to be Illegal,, yes I do.
Here is the funny thing,, you all think it is the conservative business that prey on these people,,
The one's that I know that employ the most illegals,, Are hard core Democrats,,
What you do is surf the internet trying to find any story you can about illegals that shed a bad light on them and start a thread about it. Others, including myself contradict your view with fact, often from within the article you include in your OP. You then claim that illegals are evil in another way or say that a stupid wall that's never going to happen will solve the problem. When asked how, you don't answer. That's very different than making illegals out to be wonderful people. Show us some facts, not an article that you found and put your spin on. If you actually bothered to learn something instead of trolling, you might have a different view. I don't need to surf the internet, lot of my post are real life experiences, If you don't like most of my post on this you really won't like this one. Went Juan Jose Garcia Rodriguez Ramirez Or something like (I cannot remember with out digging out the accident report) rear ended me on the State rt. 202, with "His Brand new to him at least" 1985 Orange Mustang convertible, with expired temporary tags, He and his three other passengers bailed over the Wall, (Climbed over the wall,,, isn't that ironic!!) Ran away,,, his greatest loss was the 11 bottles of beer that they abandoned, on the passenger side floorboard of the car,
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 7, 2019 11:08:00 GMT -5
What you do is surf the internet trying to find any story you can about illegals that shed a bad light on them and start a thread about it. Others, including myself contradict your view with fact, often from within the article you include in your OP. You then claim that illegals are evil in another way or say that a stupid wall that's never going to happen will solve the problem. When asked how, you don't answer. That's very different than making illegals out to be wonderful people. Show us some facts, not an article that you found and put your spin on. If you actually bothered to learn something instead of trolling, you might have a different view. I don't need to surf the internet, lot of my post are real life experiences, If you don't like most of my post on this you really won't like this one. Went Juan Jose Garcia Rodriguez Ramirez Or something like (I cannot remember with out digging out the accident report) rear ended me on the State rt. 202, with "His Brand new to him at least" 1985 Orange Mustang convertible, with expired temporary tags, He and his three other passengers bailed over the Wall, (Climbed over the wall,,, isn't that ironic!!) Ran away,,, his greatest loss was the 11 bottles of beer that they abandoned, on the passenger side floorboard of the car,
That's just further evidence that walls don't work! Hahahaha! Care to prove any more points for me?
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 7, 2019 11:08:26 GMT -5
I did how ever have a great breakfast yesterday, with my Son and long time now legal DIL,
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 7, 2019 11:13:58 GMT -5
What you do is surf the internet trying to find any story you can about illegals that shed a bad light on them and start a thread about it. Others, including myself contradict your view with fact, often from within the article you include in your OP. You then claim that illegals are evil in another way or say that a stupid wall that's never going to happen will solve the problem. When asked how, you don't answer. That's very different than making illegals out to be wonderful people. Show us some facts, not an article that you found and put your spin on. If you actually bothered to learn something instead of trolling, you might have a different view. I don't need to surf the internet, lot of my post are real life experiences
that will never settle any argument, due to the fact that others have different life experiences.
the ONLY way to settle an argument is by arguing the general case, not your "experiences".
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 7, 2019 11:20:22 GMT -5
I don't need to surf the internet, lot of my post are real life experiences
that will never settle any argument, due to the fact that others have different life experiences.
the ONLY way to settle an argument is by arguing the general case, not your "experiences".
How many post of "NEWS" articles show, the true case, not an agenda?
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Post by hurley1980 on Feb 7, 2019 13:36:14 GMT -5
And how could you possibly know the political affiliation of those that employ illegals? Most of them are large processing plants, like Tyson. I didn't realize corporations were such democrats....after all, those dirty liberals want to raise their taxes!!!!
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 7, 2019 13:47:01 GMT -5
I did how ever have a great breakfast yesterday, with my Son and long time now legal DIL, Right. The illegals in YOUR family are are just peachy. Your DIL was illegal at some point, correct? Perhaps she should have been deported, or does that only hold true for people you don't know?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 7, 2019 14:47:12 GMT -5
that will never settle any argument, due to the fact that others have different life experiences.
the ONLY way to settle an argument is by arguing the general case, not your "experiences".
How many post of "NEWS" articles show, the true case, not an agenda? that has nothing to do with my point, unless the "NEWS" itself is anecdotal.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 7, 2019 14:48:10 GMT -5
And how could you possibly know the political affiliation of those that employ illegals? Most of them are large processing plants, like Tyson. I didn't realize corporations were such democrats....after all, those dirty liberals want to raise their taxes!!!! most corporations are owned by Republicans.
people need to stop thinking of this issue politically. it is an economics issue.
which is why nothing will be done about it.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 7, 2019 22:07:13 GMT -5
And how could you possibly know the political affiliation of those that employ illegals? Most of them are large processing plants, like Tyson. I didn't realize corporations were such democrats....after all, those dirty liberals want to raise their taxes!!!! They are also my friends,, that was ez! and the industry that I serve.
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