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Satire from The Borowitz Report Iraq Offers to Help Establish Democracy in North CarolinaBy Andy Borowitz BAGHDAD (The Borowitz Report)—The government of Iraq announced on Tuesday that it would seek to build an international coalition to establish democracy in the state of North Carolina. Speaking to reporters in Baghdad, the Iraqi President, Barham Salih, said that Iraq had reached out to regional powers including Canada and Mexico to launch a military invasion of North Carolina’s Ninth Congressional District to “protect the North Carolinians’ right to self-determination.” While many in the international community commended Salih’s desire to bring democracy to North Carolina, some critics warned that the effort could wind up destabilizing other American states. More of the breaking news story here: Iraq Offers to Help Establish Democracy in North Carolina I enjoyed this article about Wisconsin: The onion satireMADISON, WI—Passing the measure along party lines, the GOP-controlled Wisconsin legislature voted Tuesday to dissolve the 30th state admitted to the union rather than let governor-elect Tony Evers and other members of the Democratic Party have it. “This essential legislation officially dismantles the State of Wisconsin, thereby ensuring Democrats, who won every statewide executive office on the ballot last month, will have no legal authority within its borders,” said Republican Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, explaining that it would be reckless to honor the fair election of Democrats to the state’s executive branch and far preferable for Wisconsin to cease existing and become instead a lawless wasteland of snow and ice. “While we cherish the past 170 years of statehood, there is simply too much at stake right now to allow the clear will of the people expressed at the polls to ruin Wisconsin by putting Democrats into positions such as governor and attorney general.” At press time, the Republican-led legislature had passed a follow-up resolution naming outgoing Governor Scott Walker the Eternal God-King of the former state of Wisconsin. If you didn't claim it was satire, I could have believed it. The republicans are desperate.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 5, 2018 10:33:54 GMT -5
Time to put this thread out of it's misery. Evidently a few liberals here now realize the blue wave was not quite as big as they thought and realize they are finished for the next decade.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 5, 2018 10:36:12 GMT -5
trump better watch out for the Blue Wave as the Red Tsunami isn't going to save him.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 5, 2018 11:27:34 GMT -5
trump better watch out for the Blue Wave as the Red Tsunami isn't going to save him. Quite frankly, I am assuming at this point in time. America will not re-elect him in 2020. Northern tier of states that voted Trump will go democratic. It only took less than 100,000 votes in those states to elect him. Will not happen in 2020. Democratic nominee will bother to show up there and campaign.
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In Stunning Power Grab, Wisconsin Republicans Pass Bill Weakening New GovernorThe bills take power away from newly elected Democrats. Wisconsin’s lame-duck, Republican-controlled state Legislature passed on Wednesday a host of measures designed to kneecap Gov.-elect Tony Evers, other Democrats elected to statewide offices and hurt the Democratic Party in general, sending the legislation to the GOP governor Evers defeated ― Scott Walker ― for his signature. One part of the package would prohibit municipalities from allowing more than two weeks of early voting. That presumably would cut down on voter turnout, which generally helps Republicans. Other provisions would give the Legislature full control of a state economic development agency, block the governor’s ability to write regulations and allow the Legislature to hire its own lawyers to file lawsuits on behalf of the state. Walker, who narrowly lost to Evers, is expected to sign the package into law. In Stunning Power Grab, Wisconsin Republicans Pass Bill Weakening New Governor
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Post by dondub on Dec 5, 2018 13:32:17 GMT -5
Evidently a few liberals here now realize the blue wave was not quite as big as they thought and realize they are finished for the next decade.
It was bigger than expected.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 5, 2018 17:50:08 GMT -5
Time to put this thread out of it's misery. Evidently a few liberals here now realize the blue wave was not quite as big as they thought and realize they are finished for the next decade. let's see: 1) biggest Democratic victory since Nixon. 2) more seats in the House than predicted. 3) one less seat in the Senate than predicted. 4) one less governor seat than predicted. i would say that this was pretty much the blue wave that was predicted, VB. also-it is early, but i would guess that Democrats will add seats in both the House and the Senate in (2) years. but that is just based on NOW.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Dec 6, 2018 12:34:06 GMT -5
In Stunning Power Grab, Wisconsin Republicans Pass Bill Weakening New GovernorThe bills take power away from newly elected Democrats. Wisconsin’s lame-duck, Republican-controlled state Legislature passed on Wednesday a host of measures designed to kneecap Gov.-elect Tony Evers, other Democrats elected to statewide offices and hurt the Democratic Party in general, sending the legislation to the GOP governor Evers defeated ― Scott Walker ― for his signature. One part of the package would prohibit municipalities from allowing more than two weeks of early voting. That presumably would cut down on voter turnout, which generally helps Republicans. Other provisions would give the Legislature full control of a state economic development agency, block the governor’s ability to write regulations and allow the Legislature to hire its own lawyers to file lawsuits on behalf of the state. Walker, who narrowly lost to Evers, is expected to sign the package into law. In Stunning Power Grab, Wisconsin Republicans Pass Bill Weakening New Governor I think I read in Slate that Michigan is also contemplating trying to strip power from an incoming Democrat governor.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 6, 2018 12:38:42 GMT -5
In Stunning Power Grab, Wisconsin Republicans Pass Bill Weakening New GovernorThe bills take power away from newly elected Democrats. Wisconsin’s lame-duck, Republican-controlled state Legislature passed on Wednesday a host of measures designed to kneecap Gov.-elect Tony Evers, other Democrats elected to statewide offices and hurt the Democratic Party in general, sending the legislation to the GOP governor Evers defeated ― Scott Walker ― for his signature. One part of the package would prohibit municipalities from allowing more than two weeks of early voting. That presumably would cut down on voter turnout, which generally helps Republicans. Other provisions would give the Legislature full control of a state economic development agency, block the governor’s ability to write regulations and allow the Legislature to hire its own lawyers to file lawsuits on behalf of the state. Walker, who narrowly lost to Evers, is expected to sign the package into law. In Stunning Power Grab, Wisconsin Republicans Pass Bill Weakening New Governor I think I read in Slate that Michigan is also contemplating trying to strip power from an incoming Democrat governor. Yup. Michigan GOP moves to strip Democratic officeholders’ power By DAVID EGGERTyesterday
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 6, 2018 14:56:30 GMT -5
I saw one of the Wisconsin legislators attempting to explain why they were doing what they did yesterday, and his argument was 'we have to put controls on the Democrats otherwise they might do things we don't want them to do.'
I thought the people of Wisconsin got to decide who they wanted to run the state, and in this case, they voted in a dem Governor. How does the GOP legislature get to veto what the voters said they wanted?
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 6, 2018 16:05:34 GMT -5
I saw one of the Wisconsin legislators attempting to explain why they were doing what they did yesterday, and his argument was 'we have to put controls on the Democrats otherwise they might do things we don't want them to do.'
I thought the people of Wisconsin got to decide who they wanted to run the state, and in this case, they voted in a dem Governor. How does the GOP legislature get to veto what the voters said they wanted?
I heard the same thing. He used those stupid words "liberal agenda", when in reality they were campaign promises, and people heard his pitch and went to the polls and voted for that guy and his policies. Grow up GOP. The single most important piece of our country's longevity is the peaceful transfer of power. Don't take that away because you won't get your way 100% of the time.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 12, 2018 1:14:10 GMT -5
this is an interesting article that spans a lot of topics: voter fraud, election fraud, voter ID laws, and changes in voting laws to suppress the vote. it is written from a very critical perspective which i happen to share, but i also think it is well cited and well done: oh, this is about NC9, which is discussed above. the EB in NC has so far refused to certify this result.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 12, 2018 1:17:28 GMT -5
oh, by the way, here is the current total: D234 R198 there are THREE elections that are uncertified: CA21 NY27 NC9 of the first two, i am reasonably confident that one is going to each party. i have no confidence in the final race. if the EB decides to certify the race, the GOP will win. if not, i give 60% odds that the Democrat will win the runoff, if for no other reason than to punish the Republican in the race. i am therefore raising my expectations of Democrats in this race to: D235-236
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 17, 2018 1:57:34 GMT -5
oh, by the way, here is the current total: D234 R198 there are THREE elections that are uncertified: CA21 NY27 NC9 of the first two, i am reasonably confident that one is going to each party. i have no confidence in the final race. if the EB decides to certify the race, the GOP will win. if not, i give 60% odds that the Democrat will win the runoff, if for no other reason than to punish the Republican in the race. i am therefore raising my expectations of Democrats in this race to: D235-236
R199-200 update: two of the uncertified races were certified this weekend. the new total is:
D235 R199 the last race open is NC9- the one with election fraud. again, if that one is re-done, i am fairly confident that the GOP will LOSE that seat. if that happens, i will have missed ALL THREE predictions by one, as this falls outside the range of possibilities that i have been going with since well before the elections. Democrats are +40 right now.
one final note: as it stands right now, this is an exact flip of the House. the GOP won 235 in 2016, during a very Republican year.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 17, 2018 17:00:03 GMT -5
GOP pollster said Trump lost the House in the midterms due to his single minded focus on the bogey man of border security/death caravans.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/leading-gop-pollster-trumps-focus-on-immigration-sunk-house-majority/ar-BBR60uh
If Trump had campaigned on job growth and the economy he probably would have kept the House, according to this analysis. People were much more enthusiastic and pro-GOP when it came to that issue.
Trump can't help himself, he doesn't know how to campaign on good news. His MO is to find some terrifying specter and wave it frantically in front of his voting base prior to the election, promising them he's the only one who can possible stave off the nightmare.
Unfortunately for Trump, the economy now seems to be floundering, so I don't think he'll be able to run on that in 2020. He lost his opportunity there.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 17, 2018 20:10:19 GMT -5
Time to put this thread out of it's misery. Evidently a few liberals here now realize the blue wave was not quite as big as they thought and realize they are finished for the next decade. 1) midterms are not over, so no, this thread is still open for discussion. it has been reduced to one race, however: NC9. 2) no, the blue wave was slightly better than predicted in the House, slightly worse in the Senate. finally, you are in no position to argue any of this. you were the guy predicting that the GOP might actually win the House, and that they would win the Senate by what? 5 seats? 7? i can't even remember, now, but it was so absurd that i dismissed it and immediately forgot it. if anybody should feel the blue washing all over you, it should be you, VB. me? no. this is pretty much exactly how i thought it would go.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 18, 2018 0:10:12 GMT -5
trump better watch out for the Blue Wave as the Red Tsunami isn't going to save him. I forgot about that red tsunami counter to the blue wave. Hillaryous!!!
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 18, 2018 0:13:44 GMT -5
trump better watch out for the Blue Wave as the Red Tsunami isn't going to save him. I forgot about that red tsunami counter to the blue wave. Hillaryous!!! No red tsunamimentum.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 28, 2018 17:09:35 GMT -5
For the past few weeks, the North Carolina elections board has been trying to sort out the results of the state’s Ninth Congressional District election, tainted by allegations of ballot tampering. But a court decision will lead to the board suddenly dissolving on Friday because of a prior legal challenge already underway.
The elections board was supposed to meet on January 11 to review evidence of possible electoral fraud connected to a local operative who worked for the Republican campaign of Mark Harris. But a state court ruled that the board — currently with an even number of Democrats and Republicans, plus one nonpartisan member — must cease operations after previously finding it unconstitutional, part of a legal fight that started in 2016.
So now there is chaos in North Carolina, with the Ninth District race still uncalled and the new Congress being sworn in next week. link What a mess.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 28, 2018 19:50:40 GMT -5
yeah. there is also legislation which will slow this process down that was vetoed by the governor and is back in the assembly for a possible override. i doubt that this will be sorted out before March.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 28, 2018 19:51:24 GMT -5
PS- Democrats won the last election by 8.5% i don't know of any time in the post WW2 period when a party has done that well. #bluewave
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2019 14:23:20 GMT -5
NC9 update: the "winning" candidate appealed to the courts on the failure of the board to certify the election. the judge ruled against him:
www.dailytarheel.com/article/2019/01/nc-district-9-election-update-0127
the language of the attorney is interesting:
“At the moment, there is no public evidence to say that fraud actually happened," Hauser said. "So I hope to see any evidence they have made public as soon as possible so this entire investigation can come to a conclusion."
there is actually not necessarily any election FRAUD at all. there is absolutely election TAMPERING. if the absentee ballots of his opponent were not handed over, but instead destroyed or altered, that would be election TAMPERING, not fraud. and yes, that would require a re-election.
there is a certain sense that tells me that this seat won't be filled until 2020. if so, the Democrat in the race will have a fair chance at winning it, and the tampering case can move forward on the basis of facts and evidence. I am going to assume that this is what is going to happen and close this thread unless a special election for this seat is held. Democrats win the House 235:199, besting the GOP win in 2016 by one seat.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2019 20:01:16 GMT -5
update:
the first day of the election fraud trail is happening in NC. Dowless, who ran the fraud campaign, has taken the 5th and is sitting in court. his employees are testifying. however, based on the numbers we are talking about, I think there is probable cause that Dowless threw the election.
$83,000 was paid to Dowless in the ballot tampering scheme in the general election that was decided by 905 votes. Dowless paid about $4/ballot for this scheme. if Dowless passed on every dollar, that would equate to 20,750 votes, but since he only paid his workers $200/week for (6) months of work = $5,200. we know that there were at least (6) employees in this scheme. assuming each collected (50) ballots a week for (26) weeks, that is about 10,000 ballots. it seems reasonable that Dowless would pocket about half of the proceeds for his efforts, so these numbers line up.
since 10k tampered ballots are way more than the 905 vote margin of victory, I am predicting they will call a new general election on this.
but what is interesting about this case, is that the same scheme was used in the primary, to the tune of about $40k. that would mean about 5k votes. the margin of victory was 828 in that race, which means that a case can ALSO be made for a NEW PRIMARY. if that happens, it is unlikely that Harris will make it to the GE, but that also decreases the chances that a Democrat will win.
so, this race is still WIDE OPEN, depending outcome of this trial, which is due to come THIS WEEK.
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update: the first day of the election fraud trail is happening in NC. Dowless, who ran the fraud campaign, has taken the 5th and is sitting in court. his employees are testifying. however, based on the numbers we are talking about, I think there is probable cause that Dowless threw the election. $83,000 was paid to Dowless in the ballot tampering scheme in the general election that was decided by 905 votes. Dowless paid about $4/ballot for this scheme. if Dowless passed on every dollar, that would equate to 20,750 votes, but since he only paid his workers $200/week for (6) months of work = $5,200. we know that there were at least (6) employees in this scheme. assuming each collected (50) ballots a week for (26) weeks, that is about 10,000 ballots. it seems reasonable that Dowless would pocket about half of the proceeds for his efforts, so these numbers line up. since 10k tampered ballots are way more than the 905 vote margin of victory, I am predicting they will call a new general election on this. but what is interesting about this case, is that the same scheme was used in the primary, to the tune of about $40k. that would mean about 5k votes. the margin of victory was 828 in that race, which means that a case can ALSO be made for a NEW PRIMARY. if that happens, it is unlikely that Harris will make it to the GE, but that also decreases the chances that a Democrat will win. so, this race is still WIDE OPEN, depending outcome of this trial, which is due to come THIS WEEK. GOP has gerrymandered the shit out of NC, and the GOP controlled legislature tried to hog tie the incoming Dem governor by stripping the office of a lot of it's power, budget, and personnel. I like to think the exposure of this electoral chicanery on the part of the GOP is a big fat helping of karma.
I've said it before, but it bears repeating, the GOP has become the party that thinks it can't win without cheating.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2019 20:55:20 GMT -5
update: the first day of the election fraud trail is happening in NC. Dowless, who ran the fraud campaign, has taken the 5th and is sitting in court. his employees are testifying. however, based on the numbers we are talking about, I think there is probable cause that Dowless threw the election. $83,000 was paid to Dowless in the ballot tampering scheme in the general election that was decided by 905 votes. Dowless paid about $4/ballot for this scheme. if Dowless passed on every dollar, that would equate to 20,750 votes, but since he only paid his workers $200/week for (6) months of work = $5,200. we know that there were at least (6) employees in this scheme. assuming each collected (50) ballots a week for (26) weeks, that is about 10,000 ballots. it seems reasonable that Dowless would pocket about half of the proceeds for his efforts, so these numbers line up. since 10k tampered ballots are way more than the 905 vote margin of victory, I am predicting they will call a new general election on this. but what is interesting about this case, is that the same scheme was used in the primary, to the tune of about $40k. that would mean about 5k votes. the margin of victory was 828 in that race, which means that a case can ALSO be made for a NEW PRIMARY. if that happens, it is unlikely that Harris will make it to the GE, but that also decreases the chances that a Democrat will win. so, this race is still WIDE OPEN, depending outcome of this trial, which is due to come THIS WEEK. GOP has gerrymandered the shit out of NC, and the GOP controlled legislature tried to hog tie the incoming Dem governor by stripping the office of a lot of it's power, budget, and personnel. I like to think the exposure of this electoral chicanery on the part of the GOP is a big fat helping of karma.
I've said it before, but it bears repeating, the GOP has become the party that thinks it can't win without cheating.
here is a syllogism for you.
IF it is true that they can't win an election without cheating and IF it is true that Democrats are evil and must be defeated at all costs THEN what does that imply about the relative importance of cheating?
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 18, 2019 20:58:03 GMT -5
GOP has gerrymandered the shit out of NC, and the GOP controlled legislature tried to hog tie the incoming Dem governor by stripping the office of a lot of it's power, budget, and personnel. I like to think the exposure of this electoral chicanery on the part of the GOP is a big fat helping of karma.
I've said it before, but it bears repeating, the GOP has become the party that thinks it can't win without cheating.
here is a syllogism for you.
IF it is true that they can't win an election without cheating and IF it is true that Democrats are evil and must be defeated at all costs THEN what does that imply about the relative importance of cheating?
That cheating is totally worth it.
Pretty sure about 97% of the Trump campaign staff are totally on board with that. (I'm leaving out Melania because I'm not sure she understands how American elections work).
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2019 21:01:24 GMT -5
and THAT is why it is so dangerous to mix politics and religion.
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update: the first day of the election fraud trail is happening in NC. Dowless, who ran the fraud campaign, has taken the 5th and is sitting in court. his employees are testifying. however, based on the numbers we are talking about, I think there is probable cause that Dowless threw the election. $83,000 was paid to Dowless in the ballot tampering scheme in the general election that was decided by 905 votes. Dowless paid about $4/ballot for this scheme. if Dowless passed on every dollar, that would equate to 20,750 votes, but since he only paid his workers $200/week for (6) months of work = $5,200. we know that there were at least (6) employees in this scheme. assuming each collected (50) ballots a week for (26) weeks, that is about 10,000 ballots. it seems reasonable that Dowless would pocket about half of the proceeds for his efforts, so these numbers line up. since 10k tampered ballots are way more than the 905 vote margin of victory, I am predicting they will call a new general election on this. but what is interesting about this case, is that the same scheme was used in the primary, to the tune of about $40k. that would mean about 5k votes. the margin of victory was 828 in that race, which means that a case can ALSO be made for a NEW PRIMARY. if that happens, it is unlikely that Harris will make it to the GE, but that also decreases the chances that a Democrat will win. so, this race is still WIDE OPEN, depending outcome of this trial, which is due to come THIS WEEK. Wow. Keep us updated! We seem to be turning into a Banana Republic.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 21, 2019 15:49:48 GMT -5
Holy Moses! The GOP candidate for the contested 9th district (the one with the alleged voter fraud) suddenly stood up in court, announced that they should redo the election to 'restore the confidence of the voters.' Apparently, his son warned him in 2017, after looking at the 2016 vote totals, that the smarmy 'consultant' they had hired to help the campaign was crooked, but his dad didn't listen to him.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nc-gop-candidate-suddenly-calls-for-a-new-election-in-9th-district-leaves-hearing/ar-BBTUWJT
A politician who admits there was an issue with one of his campaign employees possibly fudging absentee votes and calling for a new election, instead of denying and obfuscating? He must be the only honest politician in NC .
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Holy Moses! The GOP candidate for the contested 9th district (the one with the alleged voter fraud) suddenly stood up in court, announced that they should redo the election to 'restore the confidence of the voters.' Apparently, his son warned him in 2017, after looking at the 2016 vote totals, that the smarmy 'consultant' they had hired to help the campaign was crooked, but his dad didn't listen to him.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nc-gop-candidate-suddenly-calls-for-a-new-election-in-9th-district-leaves-hearing/ar-BBTUWJT
A politician who admits there was an issue with one of his campaign employees possibly fudging absentee votes and calling for a new election, instead of denying and obfuscating? He must be the only honest politician in NC .
Surprising! But good for him.
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