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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 21, 2019 16:15:05 GMT -5
That cheating is totally worth it.
Pretty sure about 97% of the Trump campaign staff are totally on board with that. (I'm leaving out Melania because I'm not sure she understands how American elections work).
Melania Trump understands plenty. She may be a bimbo, but she is no dummy.I'm not so sure about that.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 21, 2019 17:17:14 GMT -5
Holy Moses! The GOP candidate for the contested 9th district (the one with the alleged voter fraud) suddenly stood up in court, announced that they should redo the election to 'restore the confidence of the voters.' Apparently, his son warned him in 2017, after looking at the 2016 vote totals, that the smarmy 'consultant' they had hired to help the campaign was crooked, but his dad didn't listen to him.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nc-gop-candidate-suddenly-calls-for-a-new-election-in-9th-district-leaves-hearing/ar-BBTUWJT
A politician who admits there was an issue with one of his campaign employees possibly fudging absentee votes and calling for a new election, instead of denying and obfuscating? He must be the only honest politician in NC .
Possibly, but it is also possible that he saw the writing on the wall and this is his Hail Mary. The fact that he was warned by his own son over two years ago though leads me to believe the latter scenario is far more likely.
ETA: I posted the above before reading the linked article. Like ( a snowball's chance in ) HELL is he an honest politician. He should be prosecuted for this!!!
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 22, 2019 0:54:39 GMT -5
Anyone else notice how the repubs keep shouting about protecting the country from voter fraud yet they are the ones, time after time, who keep getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar?
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2019 8:00:41 GMT -5
Anyone else notice how the repubs keep shouting about protecting the country from voter fraud yet they are the ones, time after time, who keep getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar? The GOPers like to raise the bogeyman of brown people serially voting using dead people's names, which turns out, in actuality, to very rarely happen.
Meanwhile, they're busy doing voter suppression - closing polling places in minority areas, adding on extra hoops for voters to jump through that only ever seem to be required from minority voters, purging the voting rolls (which always seems to wipe away more minority voters than white), and of course, the all time favorite, gerrymander the shit out of the voting districts to minimize how many districts can be won by the dems. In this case, in NC, they came up with a scheme to drive around and pick up early voting forms, which they completed and sent in themselves.
I won't say the dems haven't, at times, been seeped in corruption (Chicago, for instance, is notoriously rotten) but currently, on a national level, the GOP does seem to be in the forefront of voter manipulation/suppression.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 22, 2019 11:07:40 GMT -5
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/21/18231981/north-carolina-election-fraud-new-nc-9-electionthey are going to do a new election. if I had known about THIS statute, I would have been more confident about that: Under state law, the board is able to call a new election if the basic fairness of the election was tainted. It doesn’t matter whether the number of votes in dispute would have been enough to swing the outcome. I don't believe we know the timing of the new election, yet- but it appears thusfar that they are not calling for a new primary. if that is the case, the same candidates would run again, and if so, the Democrat will probably win.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 22, 2019 11:43:05 GMT -5
Oh, I thought that included primary too. that is not what Vox seemed to say, but candidly, I think it would be the most fair way to do it.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2019 11:46:25 GMT -5
The GOP guy has had some health problems lately - heart issues and pneumonia in January, I think. He may not even WANT to run for this office again, given that plus all the notoriety this kicked up.
I suppose he could bow out?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 22, 2019 11:49:44 GMT -5
The GOP guy has had some health problems lately - heart issues and pneumonia in January, I think. He may not even WANT to run for this office again, given that plus all the notoriety this kicked up.
I suppose he could bow out?
he probably should.
I am not sure what happens in this race if another primary is held.
deminmaine is probably right. it probably favors the GOP.
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Post by swamp on Feb 22, 2019 11:52:14 GMT -5
Holy Moses! The GOP candidate for the contested 9th district (the one with the alleged voter fraud) suddenly stood up in court, announced that they should redo the election to 'restore the confidence of the voters.' Apparently, his son warned him in 2017, after looking at the 2016 vote totals, that the smarmy 'consultant' they had hired to help the campaign was crooked, but his dad didn't listen to him.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nc-gop-candidate-suddenly-calls-for-a-new-election-in-9th-district-leaves-hearing/ar-BBTUWJT
A politician who admits there was an issue with one of his campaign employees possibly fudging absentee votes and calling for a new election, instead of denying and obfuscating? He must be the only honest politician in NC .
His lawyers gave him a choice, perjury charge or new election. There were emails of the conversations about the "consultant."
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Post by swamp on Feb 22, 2019 11:54:21 GMT -5
The GOP guy has had some health problems lately - heart issues and pneumonia in January, I think. He may not even WANT to run for this office again, given that plus all the notoriety this kicked up.
I suppose he could bow out?
I think I read he had two strokes since the election?
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2019 12:10:15 GMT -5
Holy Moses! The GOP candidate for the contested 9th district (the one with the alleged voter fraud) suddenly stood up in court, announced that they should redo the election to 'restore the confidence of the voters.' Apparently, his son warned him in 2017, after looking at the 2016 vote totals, that the smarmy 'consultant' they had hired to help the campaign was crooked, but his dad didn't listen to him.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nc-gop-candidate-suddenly-calls-for-a-new-election-in-9th-district-leaves-hearing/ar-BBTUWJT
A politician who admits there was an issue with one of his campaign employees possibly fudging absentee votes and calling for a new election, instead of denying and obfuscating? He must be the only honest politician in NC .
His lawyers gave him a choice, perjury charge or new election. There were emails of the conversations about the "consultant." Yeah, but at least he didn't start screaming 'fake news' and calling everyone (including his son) liars, so there's that
We currently have some politicians who would rather set their hair on fire than admit they didn't the slightest wrong thing...
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Post by swamp on Feb 22, 2019 12:36:16 GMT -5
so this guy knows enough to listen to his lawyer.
It's a tough conversation to have with your client. "The jig is up dude. You're done. Take your lumps and move on."
Or the classic: "You can keep fighting, but it's not going to go well. When it's done, you're going to jail, and I'm going home."
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2019 15:12:51 GMT -5
so this guy knows enough to listen to his lawyer. It's a tough conversation to have with your client. "The jig is up dude. You're done. Take your lumps and move on." Or the classic: "You can keep fighting, but it's not going to go well. When it's done, you're going to jail, and I'm going home." Yes. It's a low bar to set for politicians, isn't it? Shut up and listen to your lawyer?
Bet Roger Stone wishes he'd done that, instead of flapping his pie hole.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 22, 2019 15:47:21 GMT -5
The GOP guy has had some health problems lately - heart issues and pneumonia in January, I think. He may not even WANT to run for this office again, given that plus all the notoriety this kicked up.
I suppose he could bow out?
he probably should.
I am not sure what happens in this race if another primary is held.
deminmaine is probably right. it probably favors the GOP.
I am not all that good at finding information but I am sure that I read yesterday that a December law change required a new primary to be held if the election needed a "do-over". It was something like each pimary will be valid for one election and one election only.
There was some interesting timing for this change → it happened in December last year when there was already talk of things not being quite kosher and NC was a majority repub state (I believe it still is but that doesn't matter for this discussion). I would say: this is the same election so go with the same candidates, no substitutions allowed. But that is just me
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 22, 2019 16:10:34 GMT -5
Anyone else notice how the repubs keep shouting about protecting the country from voter fraud yet they are the ones, time after time, who keep getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar? That is how they know it can be done.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 22, 2019 17:36:11 GMT -5
Anyone else notice how the repubs keep shouting about protecting the country from voter fraud yet they are the ones, time after time, who keep getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar? That is how they know it can be done. Just like you can tell your dating a cheater cuz they think always think you're cheating..... Ditto liar Ditto tax frauder Ditto dumdum Ad nauseam
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 24, 2019 14:31:53 GMT -5
he probably should.
I am not sure what happens in this race if another primary is held.
deminmaine is probably right. it probably favors the GOP.
I am not all that good at finding information but I am sure that I read yesterday that a December law change required a new primary to be held if the election needed a "do-over". It was something like each pimary will be valid for one election and one election only.
There was some interesting timing for this change → it happened in December last year when there was already talk of things not being quite kosher and NC was a majority repub state (I believe it still is but that doesn't matter for this discussion). I would say: this is the same election so go with the same candidates, no substitutions allowed. But that is just me
as i mentioned before, the same campaign that was used in the GE was used in the primary, so i think it would "follow logically" for there to be a new primary, i just didn't read it in the Vox article. if state law requires it, that rather seals the matter- i guess. although i suppose one could argue that this is a "rematch" and not a new election.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 26, 2019 16:12:44 GMT -5
Republican Mark Harris announced on Tuesday that he will not run in the new election for North Carolina’s 9th Congressional District, citing his compromised health. scroll down for the story
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 26, 2019 16:45:19 GMT -5
Republican Mark Harris announced on Tuesday that he will not run in the new election for North Carolina’s 9th Congressional District, citing his compromised health. scroll down for the storythe guy he beat in the primary has "expressed interest in the race".
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2019 17:21:06 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for the Red Tsunami.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 26, 2019 17:51:02 GMT -5
are they allowing mercury in the water supply?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 12, 2019 13:42:14 GMT -5
the NC9 primary is May 14th.
if no candidate gets 30%, the runoff is September 10th, otherwise that will serve as the GE.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 12, 2019 15:07:13 GMT -5
the NC9 primary is May 14th. if no candidate gets 30%, the runoff is September 10th, otherwise that will serve as the GE. That felt weird so I looked and found this: The primary will be held on May 14, 2019, with the general election on September 10 unless a primary runoff is required, in which case the runoff will be held on September 10 and general election on November 5. link So the 30% is likely only for the nomination in the primary, to prevent a runoff.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 22, 2019 18:05:11 GMT -5
The primary will be held on May 14, 2019, with the general election on September 10 – unless a primary runoff is required, in which case the runoff will be held on September 10 and the general election on November 5.[5]
The filing period for candidates ended on March 15. A total of 13 candidates qualified for the primary, among them 10 Republicans, 1 Democrat, 1 Libertarian and 1 Green.[6] Dan McCready, the Democratic Party nominee in the 2018 election, will run again and will face no primary opposition.[7] Among Republicans, neither Harris nor Robert Pittenger, the incumbent whom Harris defeated in the 2018 primary election, will run.[8][9]
above is the update from Wiki.
NOTE: there is no Democratic primary. McCready is running again. the GOP side has 10 candidates running. there is 1 Libertarian and 1 Green running.
as Bills noted, the primary is in 3 weeks. i am going to look for polling.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 22, 2019 18:11:51 GMT -5
i can't find any polling data.
trump won this district handily in 2016. however, Obama won it handily in 2008 and 2012.
hard to say how this will go. depends on who wins the primary.
edit: it seems unlikely that any GOP candidate will win over 30%, so this is LIKELY to result in a runoff election on 9/10/19.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 22, 2019 18:19:27 GMT -5
The primary will be held on May 14, 2019, with the general election on September 10 – unless a primary runoff is required, in which case the runoff will be held on September 10 and the general election on November 5.[5] The filing period for candidates ended on March 15. A total of 13 candidates qualified for the primary, among them 10 Republicans, 1 Democrat, 1 Libertarian and 1 Green.[6] Dan McCready, the Democratic Party nominee in the 2018 election, will run again and will face no primary opposition.[7] Among Republicans, neither Harris nor Robert Pittenger, the incumbent whom Harris defeated in the 2018 primary election, will run.[8][9] above is the update from Wiki. NOTE: there is no Democratic primary. McCready is running again. the GOP side has 10 candidates running. there is 1 Libertarian and 1 Green running. as Bills noted, the primary is in 3 weeks. i am going to look for polling. With 10 candidates on the GOP side, I see it as less likely any one of them will get the 30% needed to prevent a runoff. What would be bad for the GOP is if one with more limited appeal does sneak in just above 30% and then have to face the full electorate in the general. North Carolina allows "unaffiliated voters" to pick in which party primary they want to vote. Opportunity for a little mischief?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 22, 2019 21:37:38 GMT -5
I think Democrats have a good shot at this one. but they need a Trumpster to run against.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 25, 2019 23:51:36 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2019 18:44:15 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2019 0:10:43 GMT -5
interesting poll (it takes a while to filter through this page, so I posted the results below): ballotpedia.org/North_Carolina%27s_9th_Congressional_District_special_election,_2019 PPP conducted a poll a week ago on this race, and Bishop is currently polling at 31% if he wins, there will be no runoff election. I say it is interesting, because I expected a more even vote distribution, but Bishop is leading his nearest competitor by 14%, which is commanding. it is impossible to say if Bishop will indeed get 30% or more of the vote, but if he does, the election will be held in September. a second poll shows Bishop +18% www.wbtv.com/2019/05/09/internal-poll-is-latest-show-bishop-leading-nc-republican-primary/so, surprise surprise, here. maybe no runoff election.
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