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Post by dezii on Feb 21, 2018 11:28:35 GMT -5
I fear accidental or single shooter with a teacher's gun more than a mass shooting. doesn't seem to happen, civiliens, taking a policeman's weapon and going on a shooting spree... |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 21, 2018 11:38:07 GMT -5
I fear accidental or single shooter with a teacher's gun more than a mass shooting. doesn't seem to happen, civiliens, taking a policeman's weapon and going on a shooting spree... Have you ever seen a police belt? The holster the gun is in requires you flip a little snap flap in order to access the gun. The reason this was installed you ask? Because criminals would wrestle with cops and trying to take the gun and either succeed or discharge the gun while it was still in the holster injuring the officer. Are we going to require teachers have these types of belts and that they wear them at all times? Where are teachers going to secure their guns to make sure kids cannot access them but still have access to them if a shooter appears? A desk drawer with a lock on it is not going to cut it. Accidental shootings WAY outnumber mass shootings. Kids make up a large number of those shootings. What are you going to do to ensure a kid doesn't sneak in to look at Mr Jone's gun while he's out of class? |
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Post by justme on Feb 21, 2018 12:28:02 GMT -5
doesn't seem to happen, civiliens, taking a policeman's weapon and going on a shooting spree... Have you ever seen a police belt? The holster the gun is in requires you flip a little snap flap in order to access the gun. The reason this was installed you ask? Because criminals would wrestle with cops and trying to take the gun and either succeed or discharge the gun while it was still in the holster injuring the officer. Are we going to require teachers have these types of belts and that they wear them at all times? Where are teachers going to secure their guns to make sure kids cannot access them but still have access to them if a shooter appears? A desk drawer with a lock on it is not going to cut it. Accidental shootings WAY outnumber mass shootings. Kids make up a large number of those shootings. What are you going to do to ensure a kid doesn't sneak in to look at Mr Jone's gun while he's out of class? Not to mention, police tend to go on high alert when someone enters their personal space (and therefore in arms reach of the gun) whereas teachers routinely have to be in close contact with students. |
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Post by dezii on Feb 21, 2018 14:07:00 GMT -5
Have you ever seen a police belt? The holster the gun is in requires you flip a little snap flap in order to access the gun. The reason this was installed you ask? Because criminals would wrestle with cops and trying to take the gun and either succeed or discharge the gun while it was still in the holster injuring the officer. Are we going to require teachers have these types of belts and that they wear them at all times? Where are teachers going to secure their guns to make sure kids cannot access them but still have access to them if a shooter appears? A desk drawer with a lock on it is not going to cut it. Accidental shootings WAY outnumber mass shootings. Kids make up a large number of those shootings. What are you going to do to ensure a kid doesn't sneak in to look at Mr Jone's gun while he's out of class? Not to mention, police tend to go on high alert when someone enters their personal space (and therefore in arms reach of the gun) whereas teachers routinely have to be in close contact with students. Hey u don't want teachers and school administrators, custodial staff who had training...volunteer to be ones to have weapons in school...fine..your call. I told u my feelings..to have some on campuses armed if they met certain qualifications...That would be fine by me The fact is, in todays world there are so many who are carrying...your neighbors..your fellow workers and u haven't a clue in many cases if they are or are not carrying and as I said...it is not necessary to know who does or does not carry weapons...In Israel schools, there are armed personnel...teachers, administrators and few know who they are...They are there for a reason...In certain States..Texas for one...certain areas do allow folks to be armed...whether they have undergone special training or not, I do not know..but quietly , there are armed campuses already. Actually, before anyone brings up in disdain the State of Texas..HA...there are nine States that allow licensed carry permitted teachers and others to carry on campus...Actually I didn't know that and some of the States kind of surprised me... www.romper.com/p/what-states-allow-teachers-to-be-armed-its-a-controversial-proposal-19376 |
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 21, 2018 14:53:30 GMT -5
I fear accidental or single shooter with a teacher's gun more than a mass shooting. doesn't seem to happen, civiliens, taking a policeman's weapon and going on a shooting spree... Teachers are not policemen. |
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Post by dezii on Feb 21, 2018 15:02:15 GMT -5
doesn't seem to happen, civiliens, taking a policeman's weapon and going on a shooting spree... Teachers are not policemen. No they are not...and I didn't suggest they act as policeman would...seek out the bad guys in the hallways...just protect their students, themselves..other students. If found themselves in a situation...bunker up...board up doorways with desks, tables, chairs and wait for professionals to clear the building...but just in case of a bad guy attacking..they are there to protect themselves and their charges. |
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 21, 2018 15:17:10 GMT -5
Teachers are not policemen. No they are not...and I didn't suggest they act as policeman would...seek out the bad guys in the hallways...just protect their students, themselves..other students. If found themselves in a situation...bunker up...board up doorways with desks, tables, chairs and wait for professionals to clear the building...but just in case of a bad guy attacking..they are there to protect themselves and their charges. Heck, they don't have to "carry". Just mount a gun in a similar way as below and aim it at the door in each classroom.  |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 21, 2018 15:17:28 GMT -5
The fact is, in todays world there are so many who are carrying...your neighbors..your fellow workers and u haven't a clue in many cases if they are or are not carrying
I don't care if they are carrying. However if they are staying in my house with my small children you can bet your ass I am going to expect them to properly secure the weapon and ammunition.
You have not answered my question as to how are the schools going to make sure that these guns are secure so students cannot gain access? Most methods of securing weapons are not going to be ones you can easily dismantle when a shooter comes thru the door at a moment's notice.
Or are we going to have the teachers wear their weapons 24/7? If that is the case how are we going to prevent the gun from going off during a scuffle? There have been plenty of stories on here about teachers getting assulted by their students. How are we going to make sure armed teachers don't unintentionally shoot themselves or the child in an altercation?
Or are we going to absolve all teachers of any liability so long as they MIGHT be able to protect against a school shooter?
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Post by dezii on Feb 21, 2018 15:25:47 GMT -5
The fact is, in todays world there are so many who are carrying...your neighbors..your fellow workers and u haven't a clue in many cases if they are or are not carrying
I don't care if they are carrying. However if they are staying in my house with my small children you can bet your ass I am going to expect them to properly secure the weapon and ammunition. You have not answered my question as to how are the schools going to make sure that these guns are secure so students cannot gain access? Most methods of securing weapons are not going to be ones you can easily dismantle when a shooter comes thru the door at a moment's notice. Or are we going to have the teachers wear their weapons 24/7? If that is the case how are we going to prevent the gun from going off during a scuffle? There have been plenty of stories on here about teachers getting assulted by their students. How are we going to make sure armed teachers don't unintentionally shoot themselves or the child in an altercation? Or are we going to absolve all teachers of any liability so long as they MIGHT be able to protect against a school shooter? Ok we'll put u in the column of those who don't want any armed employees on a school campus. Next..  |
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 21, 2018 15:33:09 GMT -5
The fact is, in todays world there are so many who are carrying...your neighbors..your fellow workers and u haven't a clue in many cases if they are or are not carrying
I don't care if they are carrying. However if they are staying in my house with my small children you can bet your ass I am going to expect them to properly secure the weapon and ammunition. You have not answered my question as to how are the schools going to make sure that these guns are secure so students cannot gain access? Most methods of securing weapons are not going to be ones you can easily dismantle when a shooter comes thru the door at a moment's notice. Or are we going to have the teachers wear their weapons 24/7? If that is the case how are we going to prevent the gun from going off during a scuffle? There have been plenty of stories on here about teachers getting assulted by their students. How are we going to make sure armed teachers don't unintentionally shoot themselves or the child in an altercation? Or are we going to absolve all teachers of any liability so long as they MIGHT be able to protect against a school shooter? Good posting on issues surrounding the topic of the thread. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 21, 2018 21:06:13 GMT -5
I fear accidental or single shooter with a teacher's gun more than a mass shooting. doesn't seem to happen, civiliens, taking a policeman's weapon and going on a shooting spree... My neighbor across the street from me is a police officer. While he and his police partner were transporting a man they had arrested, somehow the handcuffed man was able to free himself and grab the other officer's weapon and shoot my neighnor in the leg. Neighbor survived but was out of work for about 18 months due to his injury. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 21, 2018 21:11:40 GMT -5
doesn't seem to happen, civiliens, taking a policeman's weapon and going on a shooting spree... Teachers are not policemen. And if teachers are supposed to be police officers in school, and armed, I am of the opinion that not only should they receive pay for being a teacher, they should also be paid whatever is the median pay in their state for being a police officer and increase the wages as long as they are still trained and carry a firearm in school. Pay for the protection. |
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Post by dezii on Feb 22, 2018 10:21:27 GMT -5
The following was on my news posting area this AM....whether just a braggart venting or a real disturbed kid...has been a dicipanary problem kid....am sure there are plenty like him... Now they have him, now what do they do with him...Kid has rights...family going to lawyer up or court appointed ...what law was broken. Just what was asked and talked about in that impressive town meeting that was televised last night... www.yahoo.com/news/authorities-california-school-shooting-plot-thwarted-052756375.htmlSeems consensus of having teachers who WANT to carry their weapons into class is not going over to well...I still think it should be studied...I gave my feelings and what their responsibilities would be...more as a last defense , not as a roaming swat team...don't have the equipment / weaponry to go against the shooters...nor the body armor...identifying clothing...Professionals still the ones to stop the intruders..Swat and such.. To expect school boards to put armed guards into each school...and how do u differentiate which grades to concentrate on...see Sandy Hook...the youngest were victims...just to expensive...They don't have the $ to buy enough crayons, paper and other essentials for the teachers now..and how many do u put there...what salary's.. |
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 22, 2018 19:52:32 GMT -5
And what will happen to teacher who are as effective as this (armed) student resouce officer at the Florida HS? Are we going to fire them all? www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/us/florida-school-shooting/index.html "...Scot Peterson never went in after taking a position on the west side of the building, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said at a Thursday afternoon news conference.
Peterson resigned after he was suspended without pay by Israel pending an internal investigation into his actions during the shooting that left 17 people dead, Israel said. Peterson was eligible for retirement. ..."
Or what about the teacher that gets so fed up with a child acting up that "flipping his lid" ends with using his gun? Or s/he goes postal, or s/he imagines a threat, or whatever, there are a gazillion reasons this is not a good idea |
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Post by dezii on Feb 23, 2018 3:20:05 GMT -5
And what will happen to teacher who are as effective as this (armed) student resouce officer at the Florida HS? Are we going to fire them all? www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/us/florida-school-shooting/index.html "...Scot Peterson never went in after taking a position on the west side of the building, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said at a Thursday afternoon news conference.
Peterson resigned after he was suspended without pay by Israel pending an internal investigation into his actions during the shooting that left 17 people dead, Israel said. Peterson was eligible for retirement. ..."
Or what about the teacher that gets so fed up with a child acting up that "flipping his lid" ends with using his gun? Or s/he goes postal, or s/he imagines a threat, or whatever, there are a gazillion reasons this is not a good idea As I said...I'll put u in the column of "not in favor of".....the officer who did not engage...s**t happens...to take on a shooter with assault weapon with a hand gun alone...not easy to do but it was his job, his responsibility...he wasn't a "rent a cop" but a working member of the police force...as far as a armed person going ballistic with a unruly student..I would take my chances that your scenario would not happen... As I have said...if a teacher was qualified, had license to carry, had training etc, etc...their job would NOT be to hunt down the shooter in the hall ways but to bunker up the room...wait for relief from the professionals and if the bad guy does break through , then take em down, imho of course.... Strictly a volunteer thing by those who want or have a carry license and agree to go through training and no, not needed to be paid bonus...doing so just to protect their students and them selves...Ifb I had a carry permit and had to leave weapon in trunk when came to work and a incident happened..knowing my weapon was in a car in parking lot..I would be pissed. ' |
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 23, 2018 9:21:06 GMT -5
... Or what about the teacher that gets so fed up with a child acting up that "flipping his lid" ends with using his gun? Or s/he goes postal, or s/he imagines a threat, or whatever, there are a gazillion reasons this is not a good idea ... ..I would take my chances that your scenario would not happen... The reality isn't that you would "take (your) chances". What you are actually doing is beittng the lives of others. |
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Post by dezii on Feb 23, 2018 10:18:48 GMT -5
... ..I would take my chances that your scenario would not happen... The reality isn't that you would "take (your) chances". What you are actually doing is beittng the lives of others. no not at all...there are thousands walking around today armed...not my thing but it seems that battle has been lost...and it is only going to increase...IMHO... It seems that schools have become the target of choice for those crazies looking to make a splash before leaving this world...and to have armed guards...and to have one rather then a team..seems many locals there are two cops to a car..partners..is just too expensive..Police officers are well paid with good benefits..doubt few school districts could afford the expense.... I posted my thoughts...u don't like them, so be it...glad to listen to yours... Actually forgetting your ideas...just read a article on the topic from the "Hartford Chronical"..countries oldest newspaper...or almost...makes a lot of sense and am going to change my mind on the topic... [Now if only our Donald would be able to do so...he's on the tube right now selling his BS with a chanting crowd...reminds me of another from the 30's and the other guy..] ---------------------------------------------- www.courant.com/education/hc-trump-suggests-armed-teachers-20180222-story.html======================== Heres another interview of a teacher who is armed in class..legally......Colorado, science teacher..As u can see there are different views on this topic www.cbsnews.com/news/what-its-like-for-one-teacher-who-already-carries-a-gun/Life isn't just black and white...different shades of grey seem to be what life is all about...not for all but for many. |
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 23, 2018 10:43:29 GMT -5
Teachers, by nature, want to help and teach. Shooting someone is the opposite of that. There is a reason so few teachers think this is a splendid idea, and I believe, before we make up our minds, we should hear the teacher's concerns. They probably have a good idea on what the holes are in this plan.
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Post by Opti on Feb 23, 2018 11:31:06 GMT -5
in schools....feels teachers and other school employees should be prepared and able to be armed to protect themselves and mostly the children they are in charge of...any thoughts..? Personally I have been in favor of that for a long time...Regarding the point brought up that students would be upset, be unable tp handle this idea...armed teachers and others on campus..they and we have been surrounded by law enforcement folks all our lives..all armed...and today...many of their friends families..own families may be armed too... There are teachers and school employees who may have legal carry licenses but must leave these weapons locked in their cars when they enter the school campus...Why not be allowed to keep on their person or close proximity while working..locked in desk, briefcase, handbag....even discreetly carried... They should be trained for the job on hand.....the ammunition may have to be tailored for the locations..walls, partitions...possible not even to be used offensively..[going after the culprit...more defense only...let those trained go after the perp...they seems they arrive quickly] but I think the Sherriff has the right idea...as a parent, I would have no problem with his feeling...just another line of defense for my kids.. ---------------------------------- www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article200905419.html#fmpIt would seem that the idea of gun free zones is not working and might be more of an attractant. I am not against concealed carry in schools. Truthfully I think gun free zones have nothing at all to do with the shootings and their frequency. Guns are in the national dialog so often its not surprising angry students are using them to vent their anger.
The majority of mass shootings are still one family member killing others in the home or multiple homes. Its about who they want to kill, not about whether guns are allowed or not. Students want to hurt other students. Or teachers.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 23, 2018 11:37:16 GMT -5
NRA calls for armed guards at every school. A single guard for many schools may not be enough, if they are large, have many buildings or multiple entrances.
Sounds like we can add about 100,000 jobs. Let's just wait for the federal dollars to roll into our education system to make this happen.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 23, 2018 12:12:51 GMT -5
The reality isn't that you would "take (your) chances". What you are actually doing is bettng the lives of others. no not at all... ... How much time do you spend at the schools which would have armed teachers? Therefore what are your chances of being shoot by a school shooter? If you are at schools a high percentage of the school year, you would be correct that you would be taking your chances with armed teachers. If you don't spend extended time at schools, you aren't taking any risk that you would be shot by either the teacher or a student who had taken the gun they are carrying. |
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Post by dezii on Feb 23, 2018 12:47:22 GMT -5
How much time do you spend at the schools which would have armed teachers? Therefore what are your chances of being shoot by a school shooter? If you are at schools a high percentage of the school year, you would be correct that you would be taking your chances with armed teachers. If you don't spend extended time at schools, you aren't taking any risk that you would be shot by either the teacher or a student who had taken the gun they are carrying. None at all as far as time spent in schools...I am a older senior.[some consider a SR at 55 years of age..I am decades beyond that...my war was Vietnam...almost 50 years ago...go figure it out. It seems u are trying to get into it with me in a personal way...That's your call, I am not playing that game...as I said..I'll put u in the column of not in favor of teachers carrying in school... Me? Not sure anymore but there are answers to most of the objections put up... For the kindergarten teacher who may spend time on the floor with her very young charges...my kindergarten teacher was much older, 50's I would guess and while never remembering her on floor with us...was a great first teacher for a child...that I do remember...but for the young ones who would be on a floor reading...concern about how to carry a weapon...no one is saying all teachers would be armed...personal choice...and in that type of scenario, that might be one of the criteria to opt out of being a carry educator...just saying. |
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Post by PK Bucko on Feb 23, 2018 12:55:01 GMT -5
Forcing any teacher that does not want to carry is a non-starter. I don't want anyone carrying that doesn't want to carry.
However for those teachers and staff that do want to carry, we should let them. I would advocate proper training for those individuals of course but I would certainly encourage those people to do so.
If I were on staff or a teacher, you couldn't keep me from carrying right now.
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It would seem that the idea of gun free zones is not working and might be more of an attractant. I am not against concealed carry in schools. Truthfully I think gun free zones have nothing at all to do with the shootings and their frequency. Guns are in the national dialog so often its not surprising angry students are using them to vent their anger.
The majority of mass shootings are still one family member killing others in the home or multiple homes. Its about who they want to kill, not about whether guns are allowed or not. Students want to hurt other students. Or teachers.
Yet gun free zones seem to be the target of choice to be covered endlessly by the media with much hysteria. That's helps make it an attractant. We have more mass shootings than anyone they say, but never fill in with the rest of the story that most mass shooting as listed by the FBI, is a shooting with four or more people killed in the situations you described. Sells commercials.  |
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Post by Opti on Feb 23, 2018 14:37:26 GMT -5
Truthfully I think gun free zones have nothing at all to do with the shootings and their frequency. Guns are in the national dialog so often its not surprising angry students are using them to vent their anger.
The majority of mass shootings are still one family member killing others in the home or multiple homes. Its about who they want to kill, not about whether guns are allowed or not. Students want to hurt other students. Or teachers.
Yet gun free zones seem to be the target of choice to be covered endlessly by the media with much hysteria. That's helps make it an attractant. We have more mass shootings than anyone they say, but never fill in with the rest of the story that most mass shooting as listed by the FBI, is a shooting with four or more people killed in the situations you described. Sells commercials. We have a different opinion on this. I don't think gun free zones are the issue otherwise people would be running to the local or state courthouse to shoot people up in a courtroom. There have been school shootings since the 1700s. The coverage may inspire borderline copycats, but I disagree with the belief that gun free or gun allowed makes any difference whatsoever.
The current media fixation is on seemingly random shootings and some people read a lot on that because they are concerned they could be affected. That's why stories of people shooting up the family or even the local bbq get less press.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 14:46:38 GMT -5
Yet gun free zones seem to be the target of choice to be covered endlessly by the media with much hysteria. That's helps make it an attractant. We have more mass shootings than anyone they say, but never fill in with the rest of the story that most mass shooting as listed by the FBI, is a shooting with four or more people killed in the situations you described. Sells commercials. We have a different opinion on this. I don't think gun free zones are the issue otherwise people would be running to the local or state courthouse to shoot people up in a courtroom. There have been school shootings since the 1700s. The coverage may inspire borderline copycats, but I disagree with the belief that gun free or gun allowed makes any difference whatsoever.
The current media fixation is on seemingly random shootings and some people read a lot on that because they are concerned they could be affected. That's why stories of people shooting up the family or even the local bbq get less press.
Court rooms have quite a few armed guards (bailiffs). Only makes my point about gun free zones. |
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Post by Opti on Feb 23, 2018 15:01:29 GMT -5
We have a different opinion on this. I don't think gun free zones are the issue otherwise people would be running to the local or state courthouse to shoot people up in a courtroom. There have been school shootings since the 1700s. The coverage may inspire borderline copycats, but I disagree with the belief that gun free or gun allowed makes any difference whatsoever.
The current media fixation is on seemingly random shootings and some people read a lot on that because they are concerned they could be affected. That's why stories of people shooting up the family or even the local bbq get less press.
Court rooms have quite a few armed guards (bailiffs). Only makes my point about gun free zones. Not really. Have you forgotten when we had military people go crazy and shoot up bases? They shot up the base because they were military in spite of the guns. Look at the reality of the situation. School shooting are mostly committed by students.
You are also assuming incorrectly IMO that some of these shooters would care if they got shot and killed.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 23, 2018 19:14:42 GMT -5
Schools are a target because of the people doing the shooting. They are young and angry about what life has given them. They didn't fit in at school, but had to go every day and be reminded of all the things they hated about their life. Maybe they were bullied at school. So, of course that is where they go to shoot people. Even if it isn't their school - they all represent why that kid is angry.
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Court rooms have quite a few armed guards (bailiffs). Only makes my point about gun free zones. Not really. Have you forgotten when we had military people go crazy and shoot up bases? They shot up the base because they were military in spite of the guns. Look at the reality of the situation. School shooting are mostly committed by students.
You are also assuming incorrectly IMO that some of these shooters would care if they got shot and killed.
I am correctly assuming that they care about killing as many of their victims as possible before interdiction, best place for this is a gun free zone. Applies to military bases also, they are gun free zones. I haven't forgotten. I also have the rest of the story. By bringing up military bases, you continue to make my point. Quote; Shouldn't an army base be the last place where a terrorist should be able to shoot at people uninterrupted for 10 minutes? After all, an army base is filled with soldiers who carry guns, right? Unfortunately, that is not the case. Beginning in March 1993, under the Clinton administration, the army forbids military personnel from carrying their own personal firearms and mandates that "a credible and specific threat against [Department of the Army] personnel [exist] in that region" before military personnel "may be authorized to carry firearms for personal protection." Indeed, most military bases have relatively few military police as they are in heavy demand to serve in Iraq and Afghanistan.www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/10/john-lott-ft-hood-end-gun-free-zone.htmlWe also have this. Quote; NATIONAL HARBOR, Md. (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Friday he wanted to review the U.S. military’s policy of having bases be gun-free zones, noting that some soldiers killed in a shooting spree several years ago at one facility had been expert marksmen who were unarmed. www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-conservatives-guns/trump-says-he-wants-to-review-u-s-military-policy-of-gun-free-zones-on-bases-idUSKCN1G724R |
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 24, 2018 13:08:44 GMT -5
Court rooms have quite a few armed guards (bailiffs). Only makes my point about gun free zones. Not really. Have you forgotten when we had military people go crazy and shoot up bases? They shot up the base because they were military in spite of the guns. Look at the reality of the situation. School shooting are mostly committed by students.
You are also assuming incorrectly IMO that some of these shooters would care if they got shot and killed.
^^This^^ Most school shooters are already disturbed, depressed and suicidal. They are fully prepared to die, and many commit suicide after the fact. They want to bring as many others as they can with them. Dying alone in your room at home doesn't get your name in the papers. Knowing there are armed teachers at the schools will not deter them. |
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