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Post by countrygirl2 on Dec 9, 2017 18:44:09 GMT -5
You all know me as the grocery store basket snooper, I can't help it, I'm bored when people are checking out so I just look at what they are buying.
I don't know if this is a true observation but I think I'm seeing this.
I see parents with kids, not in all cases of course but I'm guessing low income types are loading their baskets with things that are filling. Food value I'm guessing is negligible. I'm seeing more kids and parents that are not looking good to me and I'm guessing, once again, poor nutrition. All this wonderful nutritious food around us and these folks having to choose crap. You can see it by the dull hair and looking at the faces of these kids, I think there really is a "poor nutrition" face, at least in our area.
Many likely no longer know the difference, isn't anything about nutrition taught anymore? I think people look in worse health then ever. Of course I go to some places like Fresh Thyme, I suppose more upper income and you can see a distinct difference. Let's face it, it is really expensive to cook good food and maintain fresh foods, so these folks are at a distinct disadvantage from the get go.
We are dumbing down our populace in this manner it seems, is this intentional??
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Post by mroped on Dec 9, 2017 18:59:06 GMT -5
Competition in the US is widely misunderstood as a concept. Sometimes intentionally! More for less is the applied concept. Quality is irrelevant as long as the price holds low and when you live on a budget the solution is to buy cheap. As with anything else, cheap food is also poor quality food but that’s about all some can afford.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 19:07:27 GMT -5
There is literally a fucking science that goes into where food is placed and presented in a grocery store. Marketing 101 at its finest. At the end of he day it’s personal choice..... but there is a lot of help on the marketing side.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 20:00:08 GMT -5
There is literally a fucking science that goes into where food is placed and presented in a grocery store. Marketing 101 at its finest. At the end of he day it’s personal choice..... but there is a lot of help on the marketing side. These could be used the other way. I’ve been reading about architecture choice and smart cafe strategies for ‘selling’ fruits and vegetables in school lunch programs, and they seem to be at least somewhat effective.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Dec 9, 2017 20:05:51 GMT -5
I haven't read studies or much on the subject, so all my opinions are just that - my opinions, but based on my experience - watching my kids and my own eating habits....
Produce, both fresh and frozen, is very cheap and a lot of it more filling than junk. There is very cheap meat, at least chicken, that can be stretched very far. Farmers markets have been taking food stamps for some time now. Internet is full of blogs and websites for cheap and healthy meal ideas.
At some point we have to stop blaming the system, the lack of accessibility and everything else and realize - most people like to eat what they like to eat and there is no need for any research or supermarket science.
We have led people to water, if they don't want to drink it - that's on them and that's OK.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Dec 9, 2017 20:33:52 GMT -5
When the girls and I were on WIC and had EITC, I couldn't afford fresh produce. I remember being pregnant with DD#2 and taking DD#1 to pre-school. We stopped at the grocery store on the way there because it was DD#1's snack day. I mis-read the sign for the cost of the grapes I'd picked out. At the checkout, the grapes rang up at least three times more than what I thought they were going to. I paid for them, but I cried the whole way to the car and to the pre-school. Now, granted I was pregnant, but still, fresh food is far more expensive that processed food.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 20:37:52 GMT -5
We haven’t led them to water. We’ve led them to Doritos. Which are cheap, and manufactured to give just the right amount of mouth feel and flavor burst to keep you eating...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 21:32:54 GMT -5
We have given them the nutritional information on every single food item they are able to purchase and then we made that information bigger. As a country we are still getting fatter and not just the poor.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 9, 2017 21:37:10 GMT -5
We have given them the nutritional information on every single food item they are able to purchase and then we made that information bigger. As a country we are still getting fatter and not just the poor.
But bigger letters and numbers/information won't necessarily help the illiterate. Poverty and illiteracy often go hand-in-hand.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Dec 9, 2017 21:38:21 GMT -5
We have given them the nutritional information on every single food item they are able to purchase and then we made that information bigger. As a country we are still getting fatter and not just the poor.
You think people read the label or even understand it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 21:45:07 GMT -5
We have given them the nutritional information on every single food item they are able to purchase and then we made that information bigger. As a country we are still getting fatter and not just the poor.
But bigger letters and numbers/information won't necessarily help the illiterate. Poverty and illiteracy often go hand-in-hand. Tell the feds. Could have saved a lot of money if it's all just a waste of time and sure looks like it is.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 9, 2017 22:06:02 GMT -5
But bigger letters and numbers/information won't necessarily help the illiterate. Poverty and illiteracy often go hand-in-hand. Tell the feds. Could have saved a lot of money if it's all just a waste of time and sure looks like it is. What can I say? It's the truth.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Dec 9, 2017 22:09:47 GMT -5
We have given them the nutritional information on every single food item they are able to purchase and then we made that information bigger. As a country we are still getting fatter and not just the poor.
You think people read the label or even understand it? (I absolutely understand you were not speaking about me specifically.) But here's the thing. It doesn't matter if people can read it and/or understand it.
I'm an intelligent person. Labeled Talented & Gifted in school; have had my IQ scored at 140; have a Master's degree and am working on a doctorate.
I'm not trying to brag; I'm just proving the point that it doesn't matter that all of this is provided. When there isn't enough money, you buy the most food you can to make sure your kids are eating at all. Even if you know you should be giving your kids fresh fruit and vegetables, you can't. ( In my case, my parents were able to feed my children far better than I could; not everyone has that benefit either.) And it makes your anxiety so high because you know you're not giving your kids the life they deserve, but it doesn't matter what you do because it's a cyclical process that keeps you in poverty.
Now, (and again, I get that this is egotistical) I'm smart enough and damn stubborn enough that I was able to manage my finances in a way that let me get out of the poverty I lived in for the first seven years of my first child's life and three year's of my second child's life. And I did so by going into significant amounts of debt--student loans and credit cards. You all know how long that took me to pay off (partly because of the recession/housing crash). Heck, the student loans still aren't paid off. Part of my success is that I wasn't raised in poverty, so I knew there was a better way to live. Part of it was I still had my parents' support.
No, that's not a rant. That's all part of what makes it difficult to feed children well when one is poor. It's why healthy school food is both necessary and taboo to the kids.
My older daughter remembers the beginning and remembers the difference in the food we had and the food we have now. My younger daughter doesn't have memories of being poor.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 9, 2017 22:11:30 GMT -5
Frozen vegetables are cheap. Much cheaper than fresh. Canned is also cheaper than fresh.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Dec 9, 2017 22:41:47 GMT -5
When the girls and I were on WIC and had EITC, I couldn't afford fresh produce. I remember being pregnant with DD#2 and taking DD#1 to pre-school. We stopped at the grocery store on the way there because it was DD#1's snack day. I mis-read the sign for the cost of the grapes I'd picked out. At the checkout, the grapes rang up at least three times more than what I thought they were going to. I paid for them, but I cried the whole way to the car and to the pre-school. Now, granted I was pregnant, but still, fresh food is far more expensive that processed food. That just made my heart hurt.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Dec 9, 2017 22:50:16 GMT -5
OK, so I spend crap load of money of food - but that's bc I like eating out and I like buying "fun" food at Wegmans and TJ and sometimes Whole foods.
But!! Produce part of my receipt is about $30 on any given week. I already mentioned that I could get boneless chicken breast for 1.99/lb. Not sure of beef and pork prices at the grocery store - we don't eat pork and I buy beef at local farms. I could buy non-organic milk for about 1.99-2.49/gallon and Vermont Cheddar for $4/lbs. There is always some kind of pasta and rice on sale.
I have 5 people in my family, 4 of whom eat like they are ready to compete in sumo-wrestling competition but if it wasn't for "fun" foods and organics, I would be spending very little on food
The weeks when I go grocery shopping and don't buy any processed or junk food - I spend the least. It's when I start adding frozen pizzas and crackers and pretzels - that's when my bill goes up.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Dec 9, 2017 22:54:09 GMT -5
It's just natural selection at work. I say let it run its course.
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Post by Opti on Dec 9, 2017 23:27:17 GMT -5
You all know me as the grocery store basket snooper, I can't help it, I'm bored when people are checking out so I just look at what they are buying.
I don't know if this is a true observation but I think I'm seeing this.
I see parents with kids, not in all cases of course but I'm guessing low income types are loading their baskets with things that are filling. Food value I'm guessing is negligible. I'm seeing more kids and parents that are not looking good to me and I'm guessing, once again, poor nutrition. All this wonderful nutritious food around us and these folks having to choose crap. You can see it by the dull hair and looking at the faces of these kids, I think there really is a "poor nutrition" face, at least in our area.
Many likely no longer know the difference, isn't anything about nutrition taught anymore? I think people look in worse health then ever. Of course I go to some places like Fresh Thyme, I suppose more upper income and you can see a distinct difference. Let's face it, it is really expensive to cook good food and maintain fresh foods, so these folks are at a distinct disadvantage from the get go.
We are dumbing down our populace in this manner it seems, is this intentional?? Since you are very vague, I'd caution you from assuming more than is really there. This is the holiday season and most people are running around doing Christmas shopping and the like. Because everyone is running around Christmas shopping, grocery stores must lose some money to fast food and other non grocery options during the holiday season. Because of that, grocery stores and food manufacturers run lots of specials on food that may have dubious nutritional value. Sodas, and chips will have significant specials on them from TG until the Super Bowl.
Extreme temp and humidity changes are occurring all over the country because we are heading into the winter season. This will make anyone's skin and hair dull unless they moisturize fairly religiously. Comparing shopping at high end natural foods oriented place with a regular grocery store is like comparing people shopping Teslas with those shopping mid to low range Toyotas. Of course they are going to be different. They have different means, resources, and possibly preferences.
Lastly, many of the temporarily poor you probably wouldn't peg as poor. They are folks who used to make money or have better food tastes due to how they grew up with their parents. These are the folks that regular folk hate, because they know how to shop the grocery store to get better stuff for less. And having done so, will have judgment rained down on them by many, if they use those finds to enable them to by good natural food that it pricey. I and many in the 50-60+ demographic fit this mold as do some younger adult demographics. Things are likely different in parts of Indiana and you may not have the number of nutrition educators roving clinics and food pantries either. Since you are mad at DIL, could you just be projecting onto harried young families buying Chips and crap on deep discount, while heading elsewhere for the more nutritional food?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 0:29:33 GMT -5
I think Opti is right that this might not be a good time to judge what is in the cart. I have had, I guess you could call it a carb cart the last couple weeks.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Dec 10, 2017 9:26:07 GMT -5
I'm afraid here its a constant thing, people are very poor on the one end here and actually in the summer we have a lot of good fresh foods. But where they could easily afford them, the farmers who grow them now are charging very high prices so they are still out of reach.
We have one of the highest rates of unemployment in our county in the state consistently and even with a good food pantry people here are hurting. And there are lots of folks here for one reason or another that can't qualify for help.
I'm not mad at DIL, but I am tired. I think she is used to arguing where she comes from, she and her mom and sister are in to it all the time so not worried about that. We will do ok. But I do think she is insensitive at times, but have to remember she was raised differently and everything here is different.
But then I think, she feels comfortable enough to do what she wants and that's good too. Hubs said since we are here to help she is just enjoying it, he is likely right. She had little guy all on her own basically still she got here so I know that is very confining, I bet we work it out.
By the way, she does cook healthy and buys healthy foods, that's why there is always so much, have to store it as we don't go shopping daily out here.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 10, 2017 9:28:43 GMT -5
The "it costs too much to eat healthy food Lie". That's bunk. It doesnt' cost more to eat healthy. You can buy a bag of apples or a bag of doritos for the same price. You can buy bags and bags of frozen veggies for a lot less money than candy, snacks and crap. People CHOOSE to eat crap. It's really that simple.
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Post by Opti on Dec 10, 2017 10:10:39 GMT -5
I'm afraid here its a constant thing, people are very poor on the one end here and actually in the summer we have a lot of good fresh foods. But where they could easily afford them, the farmers who grow them now are charging very high prices so they are still out of reach. We have one of the highest rates of unemployment in our county in the state consistently and even with a good food pantry people here are hurting. And there are lots of folks here for one reason or another that can't qualify for help. I'm not mad at DIL, but I am tired. I think she is used to arguing where she comes from, she and her mom and sister are in to it all the time so not worried about that. We will do ok. But I do think she is insensitive at times, but have to remember she was raised differently and everything here is different. But then I think, she feels comfortable enough to do what she wants and that's good too. Hubs said since we are here to help she is just enjoying it, he is likely right. She had little guy all on her own basically still she got here so I know that is very confining, I bet we work it out. By the way, she does cook healthy and buys healthy foods, that's why there is always so much, have to store it as we don't go shopping daily out here. I know there are lots of poor folks in your area and in Indiana in general. As you know I lived there when I went to school. What you probably don't know is I visited and stayed in various parts of the state visiting friends and friends families.
As you know the social programs are a moving target. When the US feels poor and threatened it beefs up the military and cuts social programs. Usually most of the states aren't doing well at that time so they also trim social programs. The net result being that the pool of money for social programs goes down and the need for it goes up. If you are of the right age demographic and healthy you can join the military as a way to survive. As you know with DD, your Mom, and even me I hope, that's not an option for most of the people who happen to be poor.
So depending on the biases or beliefs of whoever is in charge, or what law will pass, programs get changed and modified all the time by state and federal legislatures. The program requirements become tighter, the amount of help anyone person is allowed to get usually drops, and then as you notice - more pressure on food pantries etc.
I am curious and ask a lot of questions. What I've found is often my initial assumption is wrong. Its the reason I do know as much as I do. I ask, and ask. That harried woman with kids buying chips on special might be a harried farm wife, a poor college student, technically poor woman with kids or even a relatively new wife wearing her crap clothes because of what she's doing with the kids. Unless you chat her up while in line, you don't know if your assessment is pure fantasy or has some pieces of reality associated with it. I'm urging you to find out, in this season of good will, what is really going on with the human beings you pass in the store or wherever.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 10, 2017 10:13:44 GMT -5
What do you want her to do? Hey Lady, why are you buying crap
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Post by Opti on Dec 10, 2017 10:26:23 GMT -5
The "it costs too much to eat healthy food Lie". That's bunk. It doesnt' cost more to eat healthy. You can buy a bag of apples or a bag of doritos for the same price. You can buy bags and bags of frozen veggies for a lot less money than candy, snacks and crap. People CHOOSE to eat crap. It's really that simple. Wrong Oh Shoobiness. It is easy to get Doritos on sale. In fact you can roll into a dollar store and probably buy a small package of doritos right now for $1. The only time I can get something resembling a small bag of apples for $1 is during apple season. The rest of the year they are considerably more than that.
And if you ever paid attention to your grocery circular and sales you'd know they run specials on candy, snacks, and crap regularly. Frozen veggies, not so often. One of the big grocery chains by me is running specials on various things. One recently was buy 4, pay $1.99 each. It wasn't high end vegetables, it wasn't even cheap ground beef or chicken. No, it was snacks. And I participated. You could choose from things like Kettle Brand Potatoe chips, Late July chips, Emerald nuts, and maybe two other things. Those chips do not go on sale to that level any other time of year. The best one usually does is a package for $2.50. As a single person I really don't want 4 bags of chips in my house, but if I think that 2 packages will cost my $5 on sale it suddenly becomes compelling.
Last year I don't remember if Emerald nuts were included or well stocked when I hit the grocery store. But here's what I bought - 1 bag of Kettle Brand potato chips lightly salted as the Maple Bacon flavor was out of stock (very low stock in the potato chips actually), 1 bad of chips from Late July as I have been making hummus, coarse with cans of garbanzo beans I have from the food pantry, and two things from Emerald Nuts. The potato chips and the bag of mixed nuts are already gone as I am sick, a stress eater, and things that come out of a bag don't require cooking. The grocery store brand veggies in the 1 lb. poly bags range from 1.99 to 2.19 and higher depending on the season. Only at the dollar store and one grocery store not super close, can I get froz veggies in 14oz to 16oz for $1 or slightly over. So, in my case I have just proved you are not correct. Food prices, availability and sales are local. PA has cheaper more uniform pricing than most of the country. You should shop various parts of NJ or even Philly, low neighborhoods to high and you might actually notice how much things vary.
Are you in western PA not eastern? Because you seem so unaware of RL, that I'm thinking you cannot be that physically close to Philly or NJ.
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Post by tractor on Dec 10, 2017 10:31:28 GMT -5
I agree with the lack of education causing poor food choices. We have a local agency that works very hard to educate rural citizens about making healthy choices though flyers, radio ads and cooking classes. I think it helps those who want to be helped. I have also seen many who buy nothing but crap and wonder why they don’t feel good, or why their weight continues to sky rocket.
As i’ve posted about a few times, I love crap (Doritos and Red Bull), but I also eat a ton of veggies, eggs, yogurt, and meat protein.
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Post by Opti on Dec 10, 2017 10:31:40 GMT -5
What do you want her to do? Hey Lady, why are you buying crap I think she's smart enough not to be a judgmental ass and try for the answer directly. I talk to people in line or the cashiers like they are human beings. But my goal is to find out things, not to prove I am right, so I don't care if I find out what made me curious in the first place or not.
How are you doing? Oh, I like XYZ chips too. Do you like flavor ABC?
You talk to them and maybe they share things with you. Ask the kids ages, stuff like that. Be a nice pleasant human making their day brighter instead of worse. In other words, if you have judgmental asshole thoughts, keep them to yourself until you are safely in your car or out of the range of the public.
HTH
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Post by Shooby on Dec 10, 2017 10:32:19 GMT -5
People who eat crap just want to make a lot of excuses to eat crap. But, hey it's their body so if they don't care then not my problem. A bag of apples, a bag of carrots, a head of lettuce are all cheaper than a bag of doritos, even on sale. So, just more victim excuses from people who don't want to take actual responsibility for their own lives.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 10, 2017 10:33:20 GMT -5
What do you want her to do? Hey Lady, why are you buying crap I think she's smart enough not to be a judgmental ass and try for the answer directly. I talk to people in line or the cashiers like they are human beings. But my goal is to find out things, not to prove I am right, so I don't care if I find out what made me curious in the first place or not.
How are you doing? Oh, I like XYZ chips too. Do you like flavor ABC?
You talk to them and maybe they share things with you. Ask the kids ages, stuff like that. Be a nice pleasant human making their day brighter instead of worse. In other words, if you have judgmental asshole thoughts, keep them to yourself until you are safely in your car or out of the range of the public.
HTH
I am not the one analyzing what people buy in the grocery line. I really don't care.
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Post by Opti on Dec 10, 2017 10:35:56 GMT -5
I agree with the lack of education causing poor food choices. We have a local agency that works very hard to educate rural citizens about making healthy choices though flyers, radio ads and cooking classes. I think it helps those who want to be helped. I have also seen many who buy nothing but crap and wonder why they don’t feel good, or why their weight continues to sky rocket. As i’ve posted about a few times, I love crap (Doritos and Red Bull), but I also eat a ton of veggies, eggs, yogurt, and meat protein. Tractor, you can figure out why they buy what they buy by doing an experiment on your own food shopping for several months. Severely limit your grocery budget, preferably below what a half allotment of food stamps would get you. Bonus if you drop that further, and use only things in your pantry that could come from a food pantry.
See what choices you would really make. If you had limited $$, would you always choose the healthiest option, or would you sometimes go for comfort food and things that made you mentally happy?
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Post by Opti on Dec 10, 2017 10:38:32 GMT -5
People who eat crap just want to make a lot of excuses to eat crap. But, hey it's their body so if they don't care then not my problem. A bag of apples, a bag of carrots, a head of lettuce are all cheaper than a bag of doritos, even on sale. So, just more victim excuses from people who don't want to take actual responsibility for their own lives. OK S* pretend that head of iceberg lettuce is healthy if you want. Pretend every poor person has a fridge to store carrots.
I'm done with your trolling. Peddle your hate somewhere else this Christmas season.
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