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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 27, 2017 9:39:43 GMT -5
in the fact that people are again out and proud KKK members like it's no big deal. Like hating people because of their race/religion is a good thing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2017 17:06:46 GMT -5
in the fact that people are again out and proud KKK members like it's no big deal. Like hating people because of their race/religion is a good thing. yeah, that is a bad trend. i tend to think of it as the dark, savage underbelly that has been there for half a century, and is just now flowing out from underneath the unwashed v-neck t-shirt.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 4, 2017 8:47:22 GMT -5
Good post Virgil, pointing out that it's often so cut and dry.
Everyone has different metrics they use to define what a racist act or belief is.
Some of the metrics I use are.
1. I generally expect governments and businesses to have egalitarian policies that don't favor one race or gender over another.
2. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I'm not interested in being the thought police.
3. Violence is never acceptable.
4. We have free speech guaranteed by the constitution, which protects all forms of expression, even hate speech, symbols, and racist speech.
5. I personally don't like hate speech or racial slurs.
6. I generally expect promotions and hiring to based on merit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 20:22:02 GMT -5
in the fact that people are again out and proud KKK members like it's no big deal. Like hating people because of their race/religion is a good thing. People being assholes isn't limited to just one race or another... all races have their share.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 4, 2017 21:20:42 GMT -5
As well as genders.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 2, 2018 21:37:15 GMT -5
Survey ResultsQuestions:Which of the following behaviours constitute racism? - At a dinner party, Bob claims "Asians are smarter than whites," citing a 2008 Swedish study on general intelligence that includes statistics categorized by race.
- Jill, a white woman who was once assaulted by a black man, crosses the street whenever she sees a large black man approaching on her side of the sidewalk.
- Mary declares at a political rally, "Most white cops--nearly all of them--are racist."
- Joe keeps a Confederate flag--a keepsake from his childhood--in his bedroom window. He refuses to take it down even after several people insist it's a symbol of racism and makes them uncomfortable.
- Holly claims she would never marry a black man because she finds them loud and unattractive.
- Jim asks Lo, a newcomer to his town of obviously Asian descent, "Are you from China?"
- Peter, a white man, is a firm believer in Affirmative Action and racial quotas. "Black communities need a leg up to compensate for other systemic inequalities," he claims.
- Donna argues online, "All lives matter. White privilege is just and excuse made up by black people."
- Les, a Korean man, refuses to hire anyone except Koreans to work in his shop.
- Kim, a deeply religious woman, disapproves of interracial marriages, sincerely believing that God intended the races be kept separate and distinct.
- Roy, an ethnic Jew, maintains a site "sonsofishmael.com" documenting atrocities committed by Arabs and defending a thesis that Arabs are a violent and factious people by nature.
- Maude, a black professor of sociology, pens an op ed asking readers to eschew citing the research of white sociologists, arguing their research is inherently biased and instrumental in the perpetuation of dangerous stereotypes.
- Neil, an Asian man, is an outspoken proponent of racial profiling for police work, believing that profiling makes policing smarter and more effective.
- John, a man indifferent to race, refuses to stop hanging out with Ellis, his childhood friend and an outspoken white supremacist, simply because of his beliefs on race.
- Gary, a black TV entertainer, frequently pokes fun at whites, mocking their dancing and driving abilities in particular.
- Kate, a white woman, and her friend Katelyn, a black woman, agree in a discussion that "there's a difference between blacks and (N word)s".
- James categorically refuses to hire another aboriginal man after his previous two aboriginal employees suffered problems with alcohol abuse.
- Jeanine, a full-time volunteer for a NGO in the Black Lives Matter movement, argues on her blog that modest taxes should be levied on white Americans to fund a reparations package intended to compensate "people of colour" from past injustices such as slavery.
- Ellie, a white New Englander, reflexively calls white debate opponents racist and bigoted when she perceives she's losing an argument.
- Joseph, a Texan, sincerely believes the influx of Mexican migrants to the US is a threat to the stability and prosperity of the nation.
Respondents:A. billisonboard B. Virgil's Mom C. Shooby D. Green Eyed Lady E. mmhmm F. Spellbound454 G. Tennesseer H. djAdvocate I. tallguy J. @richardintn K. Miss Tequila L. AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP M. @jma23 N. Virgil Showlion
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Legend: | Racism | | Not Racism | | Not Enough Information | | Data Not Available |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 2, 2018 21:39:26 GMT -5
For Tennesseer, as promised. Took me two hours, so you'd best appreciate it.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 2, 2018 21:44:39 GMT -5
For Tennesseer, as promised. Took me two hours, so you'd best appreciate it. I got bored with it last September. Yawn. Just kidding. Thanks for putting it together. Interesting results.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 2, 2018 21:48:34 GMT -5
What can we conclude?
Among other things, that "racism" means very different things to different people.
Some people limit it strictly to canonical race; others include ethnicity. Some except ignorance, stupidity, bigotry, etc.; some don't. Some require inferiority/superiority clauses; some don't. Some make a determination based on intent; some don't. Some make a determination based on truthfulness; some don't. Some have very narrow definitions; some have broader definitions.
I'd say the only (mostly) consistent verdict is that 4, 6, 14, and 20 are not considered to be racist. Everything else is a grab bag.
ETA: I should add that several posters declared the survey itself to be a form of racism, since some questions refer to racial/ethnic stereotypes. None of these posters were willing to respond to the survey.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on May 2, 2018 23:05:46 GMT -5
I think I missed this survey. Oh, if it was in September, then I did t have time for answering it then.
What happened to the one about believing trump or believing Hilary or something like that?
Also, I chuckled at “Virgil’s mom”.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 3, 2018 7:30:58 GMT -5
I think I missed this survey. Oh, if it was in September, then I did t have time for answering it then. What happened to the one about believing trump or believing Hilary or something like that? Also, I chuckled at “Virgil’s mom”. The Trump/Hillary survey is on its way. There's so much data that I'm coding a special online app for visualizing it. I'm devoting an hour to it here and there; it's slowgoing, but it will arrive.
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Post by thyme4change on May 3, 2018 12:32:25 GMT -5
You had to spend hours programming something special to come up with "Some think one thing, and some think something else"?? I could have saved you some time.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 3, 2018 19:14:10 GMT -5
You had to spend hours programming something special to come up with "Some think one thing, and some think something else"?? I could have saved you some time. I get to use it to visualize other sets of results too.
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Post by Tired Tess on May 3, 2018 20:18:23 GMT -5
A college professor told the class that racism is being down on what you're not up on.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 11:22:24 GMT -5
I'm seeing a lot of racism according to this. Yet I always claim it's not that bad.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 4, 2018 12:06:28 GMT -5
I'm seeing a lot of racism according to this. Yet I always claim it's not that bad. "Racism" as I use it refers strictly to a belief in race-wide superiority or inferiority. "Race" can refer to any ethnicity, but has to be based on lineage. "Superiority or inferiority" must refer to significant attributes (morality, intelligence, trustworthiness, worthiness to live, etc.) and must presume these attributes are inherent to race. That is, a true racist doesn't consider the attributes accidental or circumstantial; (s)he believes members of a race are superior/inferior because of their race. This includes factors such as genetics, heredity, culture, divine favour, etc. Unlike most people, I do not include a morals or truthfulness clause. That is, racism isn't inherently immoral, and racism is racism regardless of whether it rests on a basis in fact. The situation in question (1), for example, is an instance of racism that isn't immoral and is based on published facts. As a result of this narrow definition, relatively few of the 20 situations qualify as racism in my world. Having said all of this, if I'm having a conversation with somebody using a much broader definition, so long as their definition isn't so broad as to be frivolous, I'll use it.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 10:35:43 GMT -5
I'm seeing a lot of racism according to this. Yet I always claim it's not that bad. "Racism" as I use it refers strictly to a belief in race-wide superiority or inferiority. "Race" can refer to any ethnicity, but has to be based on lineage. "Superiority or inferiority" must refer to significant attributes (morality, intelligence, trustworthiness, worthiness to live, etc.) and must presume these attributes are inherent to race. That is, a true racist doesn't consider the attributes accidental or circumstantial; (s) he believes members of a race are superior/inferior because of their race. This includes factors such as genetics, heredity, culture, divine favour, etc.Unlike most people, I do not include a morals or truthfulness clause. That is, racism isn't inherently immoral, and racism is racism regardless of whether it rests on a basis in fact. The situation in question (1), for example, is an instance of racism that isn't immoral and is based on published facts. As a result of this narrow definition, relatively few of the 20 situations qualify as racism in my world. Having said all of this, if I'm having a conversation with somebody using a much broader definition, so long as their definition isn't so broad as to be frivolous, I'll use it. I don't believe in any of the things as listed in what I bolded of your post. Remove the brain from the body and they are all alike. So alike, as to be a literal 'carbon copy'. Of course the life experience that programs the wetware, can produce operational differences. Thanks for your clarification.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 8, 2018 11:00:02 GMT -5
Remove the brain from the body and they are all alike. So alike, as to be a literal 'carbon copy'. They're alike. Not identical, especially when comparing smaller populations. On an individual basis (i.e. the smallest possible population), there's considerable variance. If we include human cultures, beliefs, skills, general knowledge, etc. as part of "the brain" (personally I wouldn't; it's too limited an abstraction), the variance is even more stark.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 12:11:19 GMT -5
Remove the brain from the body and they are all alike. So alike, as to be a literal 'carbon copy'. They're alike. Not identical, especially when comparing smaller populations. On an individual basis (i.e. the smallest possible population), there's considerable variance. If we include human cultures, beliefs, skills, general knowledge, etc. as part of "the brain" (personally I wouldn't; it's too limited an abstraction), the variance is even more stark. I was thinking along the lines of hardware (the physical brain) vs your statement of the software, as installed through life experience. Or I'm misunderstanding you because of software incompatibility.
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 14, 2018 13:04:48 GMT -5
how many of the surveyed are part of an ethnic or racial minority group?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 14, 2018 16:30:28 GMT -5
how many of the surveyed are part of an ethnic or racial minority group? I have no idea.
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