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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 12, 2017 17:04:29 GMT -5
A shame jr. didn't bother contacting an attorney before replying to those emails. Similar thing(s) have happened in past election(s). Bush Debate Preview Video Sent to Gore Camp
September 14, 2000|ALAN C. MILLER and JAMES GERSTENZANG | TIMES STAFF WRITERS WASHINGTON — The presidential campaign took on a cloak-and-dagger aura Wednesday after a videotape of George W. Bush, which appeared to depict him in the midst of debate preparations, was mailed to a close friend and debate advisor to rival Al Gore. The advisor, former Rep. Tom Downey of New York, alerted his lawyer, who called the FBI, which picked up the package. FBI officials said the agency is investigating whether any federal laws might have been violated. "That was the right thing to do," said Chris Lehane, a spokesman for Gore, the Democratic nominee. Complete article here. Bush Debate Preview Video Sent to Gore Camp
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 12, 2017 17:10:29 GMT -5
I totally think Russia worked to influence the election. I'm not sure what their aims were though. If it was to spread confusion and doubt they have succeeded. From everything coming out half of politicians, political/environmental organizations and the press have spoken to the Russians. When you get into claiming treason territory though it's hysteria. Treason can only happen in wartime against someone you are fighting.Whaat?!? There is absolutely nothing in the code that states treason can only happen during wartime. I don't know whether what's apparently occurred is treason, or not, but what you're saying is just not correct. 18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.) US Code Notes prev | next Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 12, 2017 17:52:11 GMT -5
Read the relevant code for yourself. It's provided in Reply #67. There is no requirement for an existing war; nor, is there a requirement for force. You don't have to be at war with someone for that someone to be your enemy. As I said, I don't know if this was treason. That's for more educated legal minds than mine. You don't know, either. I guess we'll find out when those educated legal minds decide to let us know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 19:01:57 GMT -5
Did someone here suggest treason?
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Post by Opti on Jul 12, 2017 19:31:05 GMT -5
Did someone here suggest treason? Apparently Anne81 herself in reply #53. I don't think treason is on the table at this point, but I am not a lawyer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 19:41:48 GMT -5
Did you see Lindsay Graham in the Wray confirmation! Ohy boy.
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Post by emma1420 on Jul 12, 2017 20:10:16 GMT -5
Whether or not Trump or a member of his campaign has committed treason or another impeachable has been all over the news and the internet. It comes up every time something like this comes out. So far we know three presidential candidates had contacts with the Russians ( Clinton, Trump and the Republican candidate who gave the Steele dossier to McCain). I'm curious who else did. I missed the Clinton stuff. Could you link me? I heard about the claim of the DNC sending someone to the Ukraine to get dirt on Trump. But, I hadn't heard that Hillary and her campaign had been meeting with the Russians.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 12, 2017 20:15:23 GMT -5
From what I've been reading, there are educated legal minds saying it is treason and educated legal minds saying it isn't treason. They're going to have to fight this one out between themselves. Once they've decided, we'll be told about it, hopefully.
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Post by emma1420 on Jul 12, 2017 20:18:35 GMT -5
From what I've been reading, there are educated legal minds saying it is treason and educated legal minds saying it isn't treason. They're going to have to fight this one out between themselves. Once they've decided, we'll be told about it, hopefully. From my point of view we won't know until Mueller is done with his investigation. Although to be honest I don't think it's treason, but I'm not a lawyer so I don't really know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 20:40:50 GMT -5
Lying under oath didn't get Bill impeached, and I doubt Trump would lie. He would likely be proud. No one would care, and again, Congress has no motivation to impeach. And, if we do get Trump out of office, we get Pence (good luck with a Monica trick on that stick in the mud.) Pence is no prize for anyone except the religious right that want everyone who isn't in their box to either pretend or hide. Actually... lying under oath is exactly what got him impeached. ETA: now that I'm on page three, I see that that's already been addressed.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 12, 2017 22:15:07 GMT -5
It's gonna be fun watching these boards when Trump gets re-elected i am sure you will have better things to occupy your time- like stocking your fallout shelter.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 12, 2017 22:19:58 GMT -5
I particularly like the part starting at 6:28. The apology and then the journalist's tweets.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 12, 2017 23:28:01 GMT -5
It's gonna be fun watching these boards when Trump gets re-elected i am sure you will have better things to occupy your time- like stocking your fallout shelter. I can hook him up with someone who knows where to buy Russian MREs.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 13, 2017 8:48:13 GMT -5
"She lost, get over it" Why can't they take their own advice?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 13, 2017 9:13:42 GMT -5
I will say in the end nothing will happen!
What we have now is a whole bunch of chicken little's running around screaming the sky is falling ,the sky is falling, in the hope that some how it will gets Trump impeached!!
I don't think it is going to happen.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 13, 2017 9:20:03 GMT -5
Trump will not get impeached. But these aren't insignificant violations of the law. They are the tip of the iceberg on the arrogant, unlawful, unprepared WH. Trump won't take us down. We can run on autopilot as the GOP fights among themselves and accomplish nothing.
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Post by Opti on Jul 13, 2017 9:21:08 GMT -5
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/get-off-the-trump-train-before-it-crashes/2017/07/12/6e0959e2-673d-11e7-9928-22d00a47778f_story.html?utm_term=.bcdd0808c069
The administration’s marriage of incompetence and corruption was captured with a popular refrain on Twitter that may someday become a book title: “The Gang That Couldn’t Collude Straight.”
The revelations about Trump Jr. might have been the moment when Republican leaders at least started to grab their luggage in preparation for disembarking from the Trump train. After all, as Post blogger Greg Sargent underscored, there is evidence that the president himself cooperated in putting out the original lies about his son’s meeting. This may prove to be the wedge that opens up a larger examination of the president’s determination to cover up.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 13, 2017 9:26:41 GMT -5
... there is evidence that the president himself cooperated in putting out the original lies about his son’s meeting. ... It does tend to be the attempts to cover things up that bite people in the end.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 13, 2017 9:29:34 GMT -5
I will say in the end nothing will happen! What we have now is a whole bunch of chicken little's running around screaming the sky is falling ,the sky is falling, in the hope that some how it will gets Trump impeached!! I don't think it is going to happen. Probably, but when our next democrat president is in office and they habitually turn their head towards Moscow to sneeze and Republicans flip out saying it is clear the President is a communist, we can all say "But Jr's emails!!" And all the Republicans will say "That was investigated and nothing came of it. But the real corruption is the Hillary emails, that were also investigated and nothing came of it." :confused: :mad:
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 13, 2017 9:29:34 GMT -5
It's hard to lie your way out of a lie. The story keeps changing if it wasn't true to start with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 9:37:07 GMT -5
I will say in the end nothing will happen! What we have now is a whole bunch of chicken little's running around screaming the sky is falling ,the sky is falling, in the hope that some how it will gets Trump impeached!! I don't think it is going to happen. Probably, but when our next democrat president is in office and they habitually turn their head towards Moscow to sneeze and Republicans flip out saying it is clear the President is a communist, we can all say "But Jr's emails!!" And all the Republicans will say "That was investigated and nothing came of it. But the real corruption is the Hillary emails, that were also investigated and nothing came of it." :confused: :mad: I'm sorry but the underpinnings of this issue aren't just going to status quo. If nothing happens, it's not trudge along. We are watching the unraveling of the republic. The last Oliver clip I posted, them talking about the fundamental changes in the reality... that's a real issue. This is a real issue... www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/04/nigel-oakes-cambridge-analytica-what-role-brexit-trump?CMP=share_btn_fbIf this treuely means nothing. Then none of it means anything anymore.
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Post by Opti on Jul 13, 2017 9:42:02 GMT -5
I will say in the end nothing will happen! What we have now is a whole bunch of chicken little's running around screaming the sky is falling ,the sky is falling, in the hope that some how it will gets Trump impeached!! I don't think it is going to happen. It might not. But that's not because he deserves to stay. Its because the real swamp is the GOP that supports winning no matter the cost and sadly Pence is at the head of this.
It seems very likely to me that Jr. went with Manafort and Jared to receive the DNC emails. And the Donald blessed them all going. Are you really OK with that? Would it be just peachy if Sanders had conspired with China and gotten incriminating emails from Trump Tower because China and their hackers wanted him to win?
Could it be that the RW is harboring lots of ostriches in their midst who are unwilling to see anything because they are afraid to acknowledge Trump didn't win fairly? That Trump not only is worse than Clinton but has given Russians confidential information in person and conspired with one of America's historic enemies just because he wanted to win? You are OK with an unpatriotic criminal simply because he will do some of the things you want?
Its not interesting that the meeting was on July 9th, Trump bragged about taking Clinton down and asked Russia to release Clinton's 30,000 emails(July 20th) and on the 22nd the DNC emails are on WikiLeaks?
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 13, 2017 9:49:36 GMT -5
In practical terms, if the Russian government wants to release a bunch of documents, they don't need collusion or treason. The WWW is world wide. Days where we can control information (true or not) and participation (appropriate or not) is over. We can punish those in the Trump group that can be punished, but anyone, anywhere can find a way in. Post it on some random site and send out the bots to put the link on all the comments pages. How are we really going to stop tha
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 13, 2017 9:52:10 GMT -5
How is an attempt to collude with a hostile foreign government, to get dirt on your opponent, to influence the presidential election not a big deal? Because Russia isn't a hostile foreign government, dirt is dirt no matter where it comes from, and influencing the presidential election by digging up dirt from shady sources is generally called "journalism"?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 10:02:53 GMT -5
In practical terms, if the Russian government wants to release a bunch of documents, they don't need collusion or treason. The WWW is world wide. Days where we can control information (true or not) and participation (appropriate or not) is over. We can punish those in the Trump group that can be punished, but anyone, anywhere can find a way in. Post it on some random site and send out the bots to put the link on all the comments pages. How are we really going to stop tha You are right. But that just means the republic is done. If bots are to be believed , and frank intent to get information from a foreign entity is ignored, the republic is done.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 10:08:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I actually enjoyed watching Lindsay Graham yesterday. It was like him pleading with the world to confirm that he hasn't gone mad.
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Post by Opti on Jul 13, 2017 10:11:18 GMT -5
In practical terms, if the Russian government wants to release a bunch of documents, they don't need collusion or treason. The WWW is world wide. Days where we can control information (true or not) and participation (appropriate or not) is over. We can punish those in the Trump group that can be punished, but anyone, anywhere can find a way in. Post it on some random site and send out the bots to put the link on all the comments pages. How are we really going to stop tha Yes Russia could do it. But most governments do not want to be directly linked to the hacking they do. If Russia had released them would you have felt the same way about the DNC emails? Or would you be concerned that perhaps they hacked both parties, but wanted you to pick one over the other?
I know I'd feel differently based on who released them because why just the DNC? So the motives of who released them would color how I took the information. If North Korea did it, I'd assume I need to vote Democrat simply based on the fact North Korea wanted me to vote Republican.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 10:12:50 GMT -5
I'm most interested right now in how Kushner A's digital division might have informed Russian bots...
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