US FIRED Missiles on Syria tonight (I'm confused though)

[thyme4change]

[thyme4change]

Ah, that worked. I'm having old lady new technology syndrome.

As a disclaimer, this is the only video I watched, so I don't know if it is the best, or heck even accurate. But it was simplified in a way that I feel like I know slightly more than the average uninformed American.

[billisonboard]

Apr 10, 2017 17:35:31 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

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I don't even know if I support Trump’s actions, or if I'm mad as he'll about them.

Two things:

I question his authority to have done it without congressional action but they were too chicken shit to deal with it under Obama so I am sure they won't now.

I wish President Trump would come out with a full policy statement on Syria that I could agree or disagree with.

[thyme4change]

I wish he would have gotten permission from congress - because I would at least feel confident that there were multiple eyeballs on the situation.  Congress prevented Obama from doing so - and I don't know why, but they must at least have some scripted reason why they thought it was a bad idea.  We can debate if their reasoning was sound or not - but it clearly wasn't a slam dunk, of course we should situation.  I suspect you could get the best 20 brains on the subject and they would have 20 different opinions.  The if-then models must be ridiculous!

[Tennesseer]

I'm still waiting for trump's secret plan to obliterate ISIS "quickly"  he said he had.  But he would only release the plan if elected.  So where is it?

[dondub]

It's too secret to reveal or use.

[thyme4change]

Apr 10, 2017 19:56:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I'm still waiting for trump's secret plan to obliterate ISIS "quickly"  he said he had.  But he would only release the plan if elected.  So where is it?

There are a bunch of "Day 1" things that haven't happened yet. Maybe these things are a little more complicated than he thought?

[Tennesseer]

Ya think?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

[Opti]

Apr 10, 2017 23:30:54 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Such a loser meme. The latter was legally required and wasn't something just done to be manly.

[weltschmerz]

That sumbitch Trump is going to get us all killed.


North Korea issues warning as US strike group heads to Korean Peninsula

www.cnn.com/2017/04/10/politics/us-aircraft-carrier-carl-vinson-north-korea-strike-capabilities/index.html

Well, that's one way of creating lots of American jobs. War has always been very profitable.

[Opti]

Apr 11, 2017 6:26:12 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

North Korea always makes a lot of noise this time of year when we hold our "war games" with the South Koreans.


The only good news I can think of on the Trump front is that somebody with a fruit salad on their chest DID tell him that if there was a really real nuke exchange with a really real nuke power then NYC would go poof.  And if NYC went, so would his shiny phallic symbol were his wife and son live.

I'm starting to hope they'd take out Mar-a-Lago instead. After all, he's there almost every weekend and some weekdays as well. Probably less civilian causalities as well. And maybe Steve Bannon would go poof too.

[Opti]

Apr 11, 2017 7:06:12 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I'm starting to hope they'd take out Mar-a-Lago instead.


Well my sister's family lives near there so..... Come to think of it, I have both family and friends in NYC too, and friends in the DC area. Oh man, BIL and family in San Diego, and more family and friends in the Boston area.......

Y'know, maybe nuclear war isn't such a good idea?   

Nuclear war is a bad idea.

[tallguy]

I wonder if they convinced him of that back in the original meeting where he supposedly asked three times, "Why can't we use nuclear weapons?  We HAVE them!"   

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Apr 10, 2017 19:25:46 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 10, 2017 17:35:31 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

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I don't even know if I support Trump’s actions, or if I'm mad as he'll about them.

Two things:

I question his authority to have done it without congressional action but they were too chicken shit to deal with it under Obama so I am sure they won't now.

I wish President Trump would come out with a full policy statement on Syria that I could agree or disagree with.

He's not big on that kind of thing.  It kind of ties him down if you have to reverse and do something else.

[Deleted]

Apr 11, 2017 2:15:43 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

That sumbitch Trump is going to get us all killed.


North Korea issues warning as US strike group heads to Korean Peninsula

www.cnn.com/2017/04/10/politics/us-aircraft-carrier-carl-vinson-north-korea-strike-capabilities/index.html

Well, that's one way of creating lots of American jobs. War has always been very profitable.

Aegis missile systems have a tremendous defensive capability.  A lot of it is classified and not in your CNN article.

[billisonboard]

Apr 11, 2017 11:16:31 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Apr 10, 2017 19:25:46 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Two things:

I question his authority to have done it without congressional action but they were too chicken shit to deal with it under Obama so I am sure they won't now.

I wish President Trump would come out with a full policy statement on Syria that I could agree or disagree with.

He's not big on that kind of thing.  It kind of ties him down if you have to reverse and do something else.

Have to, want to, kinda feel like it that particular moment. Should be interesting to watch.

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Apr 11, 2017 13:45:12 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 11, 2017 11:16:31 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

He's not big on that kind of thing.  It kind of ties him down if you have to reverse and do something else.

Have to, want to, kinda feel like it that particular moment. Should be interesting to watch.

Not for me.  I believe he should make a decision with the information at hand, and not worry about a statement made 6 months ago.

[steff]

Now we bombed Afghanistan.  Wonder how much stock he owns in the company that made that bomb & just how much this cost us. 

[billisonboard]

Apr 13, 2017 12:39:01 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Apr 11, 2017 13:45:12 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Have to, want to, kinda feel like it that particular moment. Should be interesting to watch.

Not for me.  I believe he should make a decision with the information at hand, and not worry about a statement made 6 months ago.

I fully understand how a candidate can change their view of the world once they are in office and have more information than previously. I can understand how an individual can change their mind based on changing world situations or their personal situation in the world. I can even understand an individual changing their minds as their brain chemistry changes moment to moment. When it is the President of the United States, I think it is something that should interest us all as events unfold.

[weltschmerz]

Apr 13, 2017 14:20:56 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 13, 2017 12:39:01 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Not for me.  I believe he should make a decision with the information at hand, and not worry about a statement made 6 months ago.

I fully understand how a candidate can change their view of the world once they are in office and have more information than previously. I can understand how an individual can change their mind based on changing world situations or their personal situation in the world. I can even understand an individual changing their minds as their brain chemistry changes moment to moment. When it is the President of the United States, I think it is something that should interest us all as events unfold.

But...but...he bragged that he knew more about ISIS than the generals do, while he was a candidate.
He bragged that he knew more about the military than anyone, while he was a candidate.

So now he knows even more than knowing everything?

[billisonboard]

Apr 13, 2017 14:32:47 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Apr 13, 2017 14:20:56 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I fully understand how a candidate can change their view of the world once they are in office and have more information than previously. I can understand how an individual can change their mind based on changing world situations or their personal situation in the world. I can even understand an individual changing their minds as their brain chemistry changes moment to moment. When it is the President of the United States, I think it is something that should interest us all as events unfold.

But...but...he bragged that he knew more about ISIS than the generals do, while he was a candidate.
He bragged that he knew more about the military than anyone, while he was a candidate.

So now he knows even more than knowing everything?

Candidates are like teenagers. They know everything they know but are unaware of a great number of things that they are forced to see as time goes by. We need to hope that Candidate Trump is maturing well into President Trump although I know some can't resist making fun of him as he goes through that process.

[Virgil Showlion]

He's completely reversed direction on five major policies in the last 48 hours.

That's not Presidential enlightenment, it's a mercurial, weak-minded man falling into lockstep with the failed policies of his predecessors.

[dondub]

And selling out his voters and alt-rightists big time. Ooohhh...but they love them some Donald.

[billisonboard]

Apr 13, 2017 17:12:47 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

He's completely reversed direction on five major policies in the last 48 hours.

That's not Presidential enlightenment, it's a mercurial, weak-minded man falling into lockstep with the failed policies of his predecessors.

Only one reversal for each? Whatever will the next 48 hours hold?

What is the old quote from a top draft choice? "I am going to turn this losing franchise around a full 360 degrees!"

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 13, 2017 18:52:37 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Only one reversal for each?

That's about it, too.

[Virgil Showlion]

An analysis about the chemical attack in Khan Shaykhun by a specialist at MIT

www.globalresearch.ca/assessment-of-white-house-intelligence-report-about-nerve-agent-attack-in-khan-shaykhun-syria/5584867

a.k.a. Why the US is about to (yet again) plunge headfirst into a new quagmire based on a (yet again) false pretext.

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Apr 14, 2017 8:57:33 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

An analysis about the chemical attack in Khan Shaykhun by a specialist at MIT

www.globalresearch.ca/assessment-of-white-house-intelligence-report-about-nerve-agent-attack-in-khan-shaykhun-syria/5584867

a.k.a. Why the US is about to (yet again) plunge headfirst into a new quagmire based on a (yet again) false pretext.

Not a false pretext.  Our great president said it was a one time thing as punishment.  The cruise missiles used, were also at the end of their service life.  Saves on scrapping costs.

[billisonboard]

Apr 14, 2017 10:51:20 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Apr 14, 2017 8:57:33 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

An analysis about the chemical attack in Khan Shaykhun by a specialist at MIT

www.globalresearch.ca/assessment-of-white-house-intelligence-report-about-nerve-agent-attack-in-khan-shaykhun-syria/5584867

a.k.a. Why the US is about to (yet again) plunge headfirst into a new quagmire based on a (yet again) false pretext.

Not a false pretext.  Our great president said it was a one time thing as punishment.  The cruise missiles used, were also at the end of their service life.  Saves on scrapping costs.

One time, old missiles have no relevance as to whether the reason for launching the attack was what actually happened.

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Apr 14, 2017 10:57:13 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 14, 2017 10:51:20 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Not a false pretext.  Our great president said it was a one time thing as punishment.  The cruise missiles used, were also at the end of their service life.  Saves on scrapping costs.

One time, old missiles have no relevance as to whether the reason for launching the attack was what actually happened.

Unloading them, transporting to where they are disassembled, then doing the disassembly, is way more costly than shooting them off.