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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Mar 24, 2017 16:05:32 GMT -5
I really wanted a vote today, to be honest. I wanted to see, when it counted, how many yes votes it would get and to find out who was willing to go on record as a yes.
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Post by siralynn on Mar 24, 2017 16:14:57 GMT -5
I really wanted a vote today, to be honest. I wanted to see, when it counted, how many yes votes it would get and to find out who was willing to go on record as a yes. True. Not holding a vote gives all the Rs various ways to weasel around things with their constituents.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 24, 2017 16:31:25 GMT -5
Sounds like a bunch of children. Where is our replacement for the ACA! Wah! a bunch of children = 2/3 of the electorate, babe.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 24, 2017 16:32:48 GMT -5
Yup. GOP just withdrew the measure. Not enough support to pass. What a bunch of clowns. this is like a guy who thinks he can captain a ship leaving port without any map. a fool's journey.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 24, 2017 16:35:19 GMT -5
Sounds like a bunch of children. Where is our replacement for the ACA! Wah! Are you happy with ObamaCare or do you want TrumpIDon'tCare.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 24, 2017 16:35:59 GMT -5
I guess the only silver lining is that when Obamacare collapses under it's own weight, and it's looking like it'll be sooner rather than later, democrats will be left holding the bag. the only problem is that the counter-proposal looked WORSE than ObamaCare. and let's be candid for a moment, ignoring Shooby- the public WANTS a counter-proposal.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 24, 2017 16:37:05 GMT -5
If the GOP is smart they will work on what doesn't work under the ACA. I'm sure Democrats will work with them. And we the people will benefit. Maybe they'll remember we the people. They have a sweet health care and don't seem to care about us. i would posit that this is PRECISELY what the American Public wants. therefore, i think there is zero chance it will happen.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 24, 2017 16:37:31 GMT -5
I guess the only silver lining is that when Obamacare collapses under it's own weight, and it's looking like it'll be sooner rather than later, democrats will be left holding the bag. Not even close. Since the republicans promised to fix the mess, had more than enough members to get something to their liking passed (the have 21 members more than needed to pass), should the ACA fail that will be squarely on their shoulders. After all they have (had?) their chance to fix something that they consider broken and if they don't fix that then that is at the least deriliction of duty!
The repubs scr*wed their own pooch on this one.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Mar 24, 2017 16:39:32 GMT -5
Trump blamed the Dems.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 24, 2017 16:45:50 GMT -5
Trump blamed the Dems. brilliant tactic. blame the Democrats for doing something that 80% of the public supported. smart.
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Post by toshmanta on Mar 24, 2017 17:07:19 GMT -5
At least construction on the wall has started, hasn't it ?
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Post by Phoenix84 on Mar 24, 2017 17:22:56 GMT -5
I really wanted a vote today, to be honest. I wanted to see, when it counted, how many yes votes it would get and to find out who was willing to go on record as a yes. True. Not holding a vote gives all the Rs various ways to weasel around things with their constituents. Yeah, would have been nice to get a public record who was and was not really committed to replacing Obamacare.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 24, 2017 17:56:15 GMT -5
Hmm. If this has passed Trump would have taken the blame for the problems with healthcare. As it stands states that aggressively expanded Medicaid will be in trouble with no bailout coming. Edited: I think Trump wins this round. He gets to say that he's doing what he promised and both parties are blocking him. It fits in with his narrative as an outsider. I agree the guy trying to pass legislation and being blocked isn't necessarily the one who looks bad. It depends on the popularity of the legislation. Of course, what do the polls say is popular? More spending on Medicaid. Expansion of coverage. No cuts to existing coverage. More subsidies. In DJ's long list in the other thread, there wasn't a solitary popular item that didn't equate to huge new burdens on the US government. Whichever option costs the most--repeal, don't repeal, replace, ...--the one thing we can be certain of is that America will wind up with it. So there you have it: Americans eagerly speeding ahead towards the chasm along with the rest of us. Short-sighted fools.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 24, 2017 17:58:34 GMT -5
Trump blamed the Dems. Before Trump goes around blaming the Democrats by stating no Democrats were willing to vote for his version of health care for America,, he should research how many Republicans voted for the ACA. Here's a clue: no Republicans voted for it..
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 24, 2017 19:09:18 GMT -5
Hmm. If this has passed Trump would have taken the blame for the problems with healthcare. As it stands states that aggressively expanded Medicaid will be in trouble with no bailout coming. Edited: I think Trump wins this round. He gets to say that he's doing what he promised and both parties are blocking him. It fits in with his narrative as an outsider. I agree the guy trying to pass legislation and being blocked isn't necessarily the one who looks bad. It depends on the popularity of the legislation. Of course, what do the polls say is popular? More spending on Medicaid. Expansion of coverage. No cuts to existing coverage. More subsidies. In DJ's long list in the other thread, there wasn't a solitary popular item that didn't equate to huge new burdens on the US government. Whichever option costs the most--repeal, don't repeal, replace, ...--the one thing we can be certain of is that America will wind up with it. So there you have it: Americans eagerly speeding ahead towards the chasm along with the rest of us. Short-sighted fools. there is, of course, a way around all of this- and that is that we increase revenues to cover it. we did it in WW2 when there was a huge expansion of socialization (military and social security). we did it under Reagan when SS was seeing a shortfall. the trend since then has been to cut revenues AND increase socialization, and that is not a sustainable future. we are at a crossroads. we can either decide that we are going to pay for our bread and roses, we can stop offering it, or we can go bankrupt.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 24, 2017 19:57:09 GMT -5
If the GOP is smart they will work on what doesn't work under the ACA. I'm sure Democrats will work with them. And we the people will benefit. Maybe they'll remember we the people. They have a sweet health care and don't seem to care about us. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Good one. Doing the right thing. Hilarious.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 24, 2017 20:19:10 GMT -5
Trump blamed the Dems. Before Trump goes around blaming the Democrats by stating no Democrats were willing to vote for his version of health care for America,, he should research how many Republicans voted for the ACA. Here's a clue: no Republicans voted for it.. But the Repubs have a majority of +21 in the House. If they meant what they were saying this disaster called Trump Care would have been unstoppable. It's on them...
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 24, 2017 20:26:36 GMT -5
Before Trump goes around blaming the Democrats by stating no Democrats were willing to vote for his version of health care for America,, he should research how many Republicans voted for the ACA. Here's a clue: no Republicans voted for it.. But the Repubs have a majority of +21 in the House. If they meant what they were saying this disaster called Trump Care would have been unstoppable. It's on them... Trump hss no one to blame but himself, McConnell, and Ryan for rushing this thing.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 24, 2017 20:31:50 GMT -5
Interesting: “Obamacare unfortunately will explode,” Mr. Trump said later. “It’s going to have a very bad year.” At some point, he said, after another round of big premium increases, “Democrats will come to us and say, ‘Look, let’s get together and get a great health care bill or plan that’s really great for the people of our country.’” www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/us/politics/health-care-affordable-care-act.html?_r=0 Note, he doesn't say the Democrats will want to vote for this current bill.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 24, 2017 21:11:37 GMT -5
Before Trump goes around blaming the Democrats by stating no Democrats were willing to vote for his version of health care for America,, he should research how many Republicans voted for the ACA. Here's a clue: no Republicans voted for it.. But the Repubs have a majority of +21 in the House. If they meant what they were saying this disaster called Trump Care would have been unstoppable. It's on them... Let me rephrase this -> they are +44 in the House, so they could afford for 21 of their own not to vote for Trump Care. There were more "defectors"...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 21:18:19 GMT -5
The CBO just came out with a new report that Obamacare will not be imploding anytime soon. I wonder if they factored in states that will have ZERO insurers in the "marketplace"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 21:20:43 GMT -5
If the GOP is smart they will work on what doesn't work under the ACA. I'm sure Democrats will work with them. And we the people will benefit. Maybe they'll remember we the people. They have a sweet health care and don't seem to care about us. You've apparently missed many a post that states that the GOP is not there to work with democrats, they were elected to destroy them and everything they stand for. Anyone who takes your approach is a RINO. And that's how we got where we are today. I think it was incredibly stupid of the GOP to try to push thru this bill. Wouldn't it better to take their time, polish their policy and really make it something that will knock people's socks off as opposed to throwing poop at the wall hoping it sticks? Isn't that exactly what they accused the democrats of doing with the ACA?The Democrats weren't only accused of doing it... it's what they actually did!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 21:22:37 GMT -5
I guess the only silver lining is that when Obamacare collapses under it's own weight, and it's looking like it'll be sooner rather than later, democrats will be left holding the bag. the only problem is that the counter-proposal looked WORSE than ObamaCare. and let's be candid for a moment, ignoring Shooby- the public WANTS a counter-proposal. But one that actually can work... don't forget that part. It's a very important part.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Mar 24, 2017 21:30:45 GMT -5
A new counter proposal because it doesn't have Obama's name on it or a fix to what doesn't work now? Trashing an existing system and starting over on anything usually is wrong. Learn from what isn't working. I think the GOP learned that today. Trump said he learned a lesson. He has a lot to learn.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 24, 2017 21:43:33 GMT -5
A new counter proposal because it doesn't have Obama's name on it or a fix to what doesn't work now? Trashing an existing system and starting over on anything usually is wrong. Learn from what isn't working. I think the GOP learned that today. Trump said he learned a lesson. He has a lot to learn. One can hope. We'll see (but I am doubtful)
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 24, 2017 21:45:13 GMT -5
The CBO just came out with a new report that Obamacare will not be imploding anytime soon. I wonder if they factored in states that will have ZERO insurers in the "marketplace" I don't see that the fact there are places that one can not take advantage of a "marketplace" policy means the whole thing is going to implode.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Mar 24, 2017 21:45:31 GMT -5
I guess the only silver lining is that when Obamacare collapses under it's own weight, and it's looking like it'll be sooner rather than later, democrats will be left holding the bag. You really believe that the optics are going to be "democrats holding the bag" and NOT "Repubs, you guys were in charge, how'd u let this crap happen?"
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Post by tallguy on Mar 24, 2017 22:18:47 GMT -5
But the Repubs have a majority of +21 in the House. If they meant what they were saying this disaster called Trump Care would have been unstoppable. It's on them... Let me rephrase this -> they are +44 in the House, so they could afford for 21 of their own not to vote for Trump Care. There were more "defectors"... I read one story earlier that the over/under on the vote total was 175 and that it was likely going to be under that. If true, that means they had more than 60 no votes expected from Republicans. The question becomes, "How many (if any) were supporters who were just not willing to go on record with a yes vote in a hopeless cause?" In that sense, holding the vote would have been very interesting, but you can't really expect courage from Congress as a whole.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 24, 2017 22:52:54 GMT -5
A new counter proposal because it doesn't have Obama's name on it or a fix to what doesn't work now? Trashing an existing system and starting over on anything usually is wrong. Learn from what isn't working. I think the GOP learned that today. Trump said he learned a lesson. He has a lot to learn. One can hope. We'll see (but I am doubtful) Almost Gardening Grandma. dt DOES have a lot to learn, but whether he will or not is what remains to be seen.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 24, 2017 23:08:13 GMT -5
One Washington congressman held six town meetings and received a large amount of citizen feedback. He totaled it up: seven in favor of the GOP's American Health Care Act, 2,798 opposed.
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