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Post by tractor on Apr 17, 2019 16:44:41 GMT -5
Hoping to generate some more photos, here’s a picture of Ted from yesterday. This is his “will you throw the damn toy” face. He is a master of the blank stare...
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Post by Spellbound454 on Apr 17, 2019 16:59:29 GMT -5
Aww that's a real "boop my nose" picture.
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Post by andi9899 on Apr 17, 2019 17:47:00 GMT -5
Chiver, I hope LD is ok. Keep us posted.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 17, 2019 18:12:22 GMT -5
thanks, guys. I would have sworn it was a paw, even though no blood and nothing crunching when both roommate and I were handling the paw he wouldn't put down. then I get to the vet, and the little fucker drags me across the stone driveway on four paws with no limp. really, dog?? lol... vet worked her way up his whole leg, no problems with elbow, ankle, shoulder, any bones. his tricep though? she squished that and I thought I'd have to peel him off the ceiling. so she's thinking it's a pulled muscle, since "he's jacked. it's gonna happen" in her words. he's got an Rx for NSAIDs for 10 days, and the next three are leash only when outside and minimize motion as much as possible for max rest. good thing Saturday is a rainout, that will help. right now, he's not feeling a whole lot of anything.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Apr 17, 2019 18:23:54 GMT -5
Hope he heals quickly chiver.
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Post by ners on Apr 17, 2019 18:33:22 GMT -5
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Post by honeysweetEFCOwithsugar on Apr 17, 2019 19:38:11 GMT -5
is this where we talk about stuff?
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Post by andi9899 on Apr 17, 2019 21:31:13 GMT -5
thanks, guys. I would have sworn it was a paw, even though no blood and nothing crunching when both roommate and I were handling the paw he wouldn't put down. then I get to the vet, and the little fucker drags me across the stone driveway on four paws with no limp. really, dog?? lol... vet worked her way up his whole leg, no problems with elbow, ankle, shoulder, any bones. his tricep though? she squished that and I thought I'd have to peel him off the ceiling. so she's thinking it's a pulled muscle, since "he's jacked. it's gonna happen" in her words. he's got an Rx for NSAIDs for 10 days, and the next three are leash only when outside and minimize motion as much as possible for max rest. good thing Saturday is a rainout, that will help. right now, he's not feeling a whole lot of anything. So glad he's going to be ok. He looks so sweet sleeping. They always do.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 17, 2019 22:39:46 GMT -5
thanks, guys. I would have sworn it was a paw, even though no blood and nothing crunching when both roommate and I were handling the paw he wouldn't put down. then I get to the vet, and the little fucker drags me across the stone driveway on four paws with no limp. really, dog?? lol... vet worked her way up his whole leg, no problems with elbow, ankle, shoulder, any bones. his tricep though? she squished that and I thought I'd have to peel him off the ceiling. so she's thinking it's a pulled muscle, since "he's jacked. it's gonna happen" in her words. he's got an Rx for NSAIDs for 10 days, and the next three are leash only when outside and minimize motion as much as possible for max rest. good thing Saturday is a rainout, that will help. right now, he's not feeling a whole lot of anything. Aww, poor little sweetie! Did the vet say to give the NSAIDS with food? That stuff could eat through a dog's gut just as fast as human one.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 18, 2019 3:09:40 GMT -5
yup, twice a day with food. thankfully it must not taste shitty, bc he took the 1st dose easily, rolled up in half a slice of cheese. whatever his once in 3mo med- heartworm or flea/tick, I have to chop it in my mini food processor with deli meat, into almost dust and pour it into his dinner. that would be a huge pain for 2x day. anyway, yah. I'm giving him the cheese rollup just before I put out the dinner bowls.
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Post by dogmom on Apr 18, 2019 6:58:36 GMT -5
They certainly are cute when they sleep...but that's when you sneak up on them and....
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Post by andi9899 on Apr 18, 2019 8:47:30 GMT -5
How cute! I think I have a picture of Bear with bunny ears somewhere. I love dogs that let you dress them up.
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Post by mollyc on Apr 20, 2019 23:19:05 GMT -5
Not the type of picture you like to post but Lexie hurt her leg in the bush last Saturday afternoon. The stitches start at the top of the bandage and go all the way down to where the bandage ends. Some people find the details disturbing so I'll put them in a spoiler. It's our worst nightmare when the dogs go charging full speed into the bush. A branch stuck into Lexie's leg and didn't break. Her leg ripped just like a snagged piece of carpet when you're dragging furniture.
At first the vet thought she might have to remove the 2-3 inch wide piece of skin that was ripped. Luckily the piece bled lots while she was cleaning off the dirt so she decided it might not die. So far, so good. It would have been a much longer healing period if Lexie had lost that big piece of skin.
She made me send pictures to DH because he was worried Lexie had finally cornered a coyote and come out the loser. He had already realized what probably happened before he got the pics. Fortunately DH has been taking some doggy first aid supplies with him and he was able to wrap up the wound and get her home. I had to take her to the on-call vet office because our regular vets close at 5 and it was 4:30. It wasn't their weekend to be on-call or they would have told me to come on down. It's a good thing I'm not grossed out easily or prone to fainting because I had to assist. I like this vet. She is totally about the animals. She realized part way through the clean up and stitching that she hadn't gotten my name, my payment information or even signed permission to put Lexie to sleep. While we were waiting for Lexie to finish waking up, she opened up their computer program and had me enter Lexie's and my information while she cleaned up. I think though that I would totally hate her if I was her office staff.
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Post by shanendoah on Apr 23, 2019 19:55:17 GMT -5
Junebug decided her paw needed to be held...
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Post by shanendoah on Apr 28, 2019 17:53:47 GMT -5
A plane flew overhead while I was taking their picture
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Post by andi9899 on Apr 29, 2019 8:46:52 GMT -5
Oh no, Molly. I hope Lexie is ok and heals fast.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 29, 2019 15:59:35 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on May 12, 2019 9:56:18 GMT -5
Easy I guess to confuse a puppy for a bear cub.
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Post by dannylion on May 12, 2019 19:16:04 GMT -5
mollyc, I hope Lexie is doing well and feeling better. Poor sweetie.
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Post by shanendoah on May 13, 2019 9:59:24 GMT -5
My conference hotel last week had hotel dogs
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Post by andi9899 on May 13, 2019 11:08:56 GMT -5
I need to figure something out about Macy. She got a hold of Bear last night and she didn't draw blood, but he yelped and limped a little after. He stays away from her pretty much and avoids eye contact as he's afraid of her. My kid doesn't have the money to get her own place so neither dog is going anywhere anytime soon. She's fine with Jackson as they're littermates, but she has jumped on Bear before. His offense was being too close to me. That seems to be what sets her off. She's jumped on Thing 2's dog, Astro for the same reason. What can I do with her? She hasn't hurt anyone yet, but I don't want that to ever happen. Dominance was established long ago. She's the dominant dog in the house. This is the first time anyone's actually yelped. Usually they're just scared back into their place. I put her immediately in her kennel and she remained there until Bear was in bed with Thing 1 a couple of hours later when she got home. I was by myself with them when it happened. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Post by stillmovingforward on May 13, 2019 22:59:40 GMT -5
I've been following your dog stories and am very familiar with dobies. I've had 3. PLEASE teach Macie to 'down stay' immediately. She is escalating and starting to challenge the humans for the lead spot. She needs to learn, immediately and non-violently, that you, the lead dog, do not allow this behavior. Everytime she acts up, she goes into a down stay for 5 to 10 minutes. Once she's trained. You work up to it. This is a time out. Better than a crate. And she gets up ONLY when you say she can. Until you get her trained, it's an immediate into the crate for at least 15 minutes. In the beginning, she may be in and out of the crate several times a day. Crate her when you leave also. Yes, it's unfair. But she has to learn our you could have a dangerous mess on your hands and not know why.
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Post by stillmovingforward on May 13, 2019 23:02:29 GMT -5
This behavior goes along with the growling the other day when you nudged thing?'s foot. A down stay makes her think about it. Where as kenneling doesn't because the bars do the restrictions for her. She's a smart dog. She needs to start channeling that smart.
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Post by andi9899 on May 14, 2019 11:10:04 GMT -5
Thanks. I'll YouTube how to do that. I've never been concerned about her being a bite risk to people, especially me. I just took the growl as her telling me to stop it. Thing 1 and I actually stopped for a minute and then looked at each other and laughed.
I am however worried about one of the other dogs getting hurt by her feeling the need to protect me. She really could have hurt Bear the other day. There doesn't seem to be any warning before she acts this way. At least, not that I've seen. She also has been following me around the house more lately. She'll be just fine with the other dogs and then seemingly instantly she's on top of one of them. Neither had ever done anything to provoke her other than being near me. There are also times when the other dogs have been laying on the couch or standing by me and I'm petting them that she's fine. She only lunges at them when I'm not looking.
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Post by chiver78 on May 14, 2019 12:51:51 GMT -5
great advice on both counts. we are still working on similar with LD - he growls at anyone and everyone that walks by my house. in the summer, that's a lot of kids/teens walking to the beach, not okay. so he gets a quick rap on the snout and has to lay down where he's standing - usually on the hardwoods, which he hates. we don't still have crates upstairs, but could easily make room for one if need be.
sorry I don't have much more to add to what's already been said. I think bc of what LD went through before he came to my house, all you have to do is look at him sideways when he fucks up and he cowers - because he also knows he fucked up. so, we don't really have to do much by way of physical control for him to see he isn't alpha dog. he isn't anyway, really, the golden is. but Macy is definitely pushing boundaries to see how far you will let her go. the longer you and Thing 1 let it go, the worse it will get and the harder to fix. so good that you guys want to fix this quickly. I disagree that there aren't warning signs, though - you say so yourself, she's been following you around the house more lately. it's a lot easier to protect you from the strange dog she doesn't know/like if she can see you. just food for thought.
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Post by chiver78 on May 14, 2019 13:05:59 GMT -5
and now I have a question, after having nothing of value to offer. my dog walker has finally gotten comfortable enough (she's maybe 100lbs soaking wet) to take the bruisers out for walks around the neighborhood and such instead of just tiring them out in the backyard every day when she lets them out. today, she said that LD did well on the leash with not pulling, but that the golden will drag her a football field to sniff the grass, and then sit down to wait for her to catch up. yeah, I could have told you that. lol... but she suggested taking them one at a time to see if she can work with the golden on the pulling thing, and that she's open for ideas. ha. if I knew how to fix that, it would have been done already! what I do know is that if she takes the golden out alone, she'll come back to a disaster from LD being in the house alone. help?
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Post by shanendoah on May 14, 2019 13:46:46 GMT -5
andi9899 - Macy is resource guarding you. This is almost certainly caused by the social instability in the house - Thing 1 coming in, then Bear coming in, Bear sometimes going to Thing 1's H/H's parents, coming back. Then they moved out, and moved back in again. This can easily cause anxiety in dogs, and likely what has Macy deciding she needs to resource guard you. A search on "dog resource guarding me" will give you a lot to read, but in addition to the down stay, the other thing that has to happen is that she has to understand that resource guarding you does NOT work. When she behaves that way, she loses you - as in you go to another room or she goes to another room, away from you. It does NOT mean you should then pay extra attention to the other dog (that can actually exacerbate the situation.). You may also try doing dedicated time with each of the dogs, one on one. Do not do this in response to a bad behavior incident, but build something into your schedule. One day each week, for maybe 30 minutes, Macy gets one on one time cuddling with you. On another day, for those same 30 minutes, Jackson gets one on one time cuddling with you. But Macy does need to learn she's not in control of you. And in the meantime, Thing 1 needs to make sure that she's not depending on you for human interaction with Bear. That is her job. This isn't to say that you can't interact with Bear (or that she can't interact with Macy and Jackson), just that Bear's care needs to rest on her. And yes, that might mean Bear gets fed on a different schedule, and such, but it should help Macy understand that you aren't Bear's resource, so she doesn't necessarily have to guard you from him.
The good news (and honestly, there is good news) is that she didn't hurt Bear, and that Bear didn't fight back. Bear yelped - which is part of what puppies do to help each other learn that play is too rough. So Bear's response wasn't aggressive at all, and was completely socially appropriate. That may also help Macy (because it's clear Bear doesn't value you enough to fight for you). It might be more of a problem with Jackson, if her behavior towards him worsens.
If that happens, I honestly think your best bet will be a professional trainer/behaviorist.
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Post by shanendoah on May 14, 2019 13:51:23 GMT -5
chiver78 - LD crated when out solely with the Golden. Or something that the two of you work on in conjunction, going out together with the dogs. When we were going to professional training, what we were taught was to instantly turn around and bring the dog the other direction the moment it starts pulling on leash. We were warned that they could mean weeks of never leaving your own block, including many times of never getting off the sidewalk in front of your own house. But it does work, especially in conjunction with the heal command.
But basically, you start walking in direction A. As soon as the dog starts pulling, you spin and walking in direction B. You are pulling on the dog for a bit, but then it will come around. As soon as it starts pulling you in direction B, you spin and walk in direction A again. The dog learns that pulling doesn't get them where they want to go.
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Post by stillmovingforward on May 14, 2019 13:57:21 GMT -5
Every thing Shane said! This is how guard breeds get bad raps. Nothing obviously bad, just a slow progression. And, as great as they are, they ARE fundamentally a guarding breed. I love mine dearly but I train and handle mine always keeping in mind that I keep alpha and strengthen thier bond of where they belong in the pecking order. As in, we play tug of war and always end with a win for me. And never even play it if someone is being a bully. I had one dog that I couldn't play tug of war with as he was so dominant.
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Post by chiver78 on May 14, 2019 14:04:58 GMT -5
yeah, I can't work on this with her, she's my midday relief while I'm at work. I wish I could, if I knew it was something we could accomplish in a week, I might be able to WFH for a week, but that's highly unlikely to work so quickly.
I'll definitely mention the direction change thing. I kind of remember that from puppy training way back the the golden. thank you!
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