Ohio State University active shooter 28Nov

[djAdvocate]

Nov 30, 2016 9:07:00 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 29, 2016 12:46:59 GMT -5 alwaysbeoptimizing said:

Yes, those guys are all bad and should go to jail.

we all agree.

here's the thing from a value proposition perspective.

1. the only way I can get rid of these guys is to kill the other 320M people in the US who aren't me.  That doesn't seem like a good solution, and it's not one I'd do.
2. FOREIGN people coming in, we have a choice about.  One choice is we can not let them come in, and therefore, no americans will be hurt by them.  OR we can choose to let them come in (you'll have to tell me why we'd burden our culture, educational system and security services with this, but...) and then we take the risk of them being bad.

See the difference?  for the group of people currently not in the US, at basically zero cost to the US, i can 100% prevent me from having to deal with their shit.

For those crazies already in the US, I have to do expensive, crappy things like pay for a lot of law enforcement, schools, social workers and in some ways, relent to a surveillance state.  I'd like to have fewer "burdens" in the US and to do more to lift our people up

So much this.  Everyone talks about the bad americans...I get that and agree.  We have homegrown crazies to deal with.  No one is trying to deny that.  But why in the hell would we want to import more crazies? 

i will posit something for your consideration:

it is far easier to "screen" for crazy importing someone than to screen 320M Americans for crazy.

if it is true, for example, that the people we import are 1% as crazy as the people here, we might be better off EXPORTING, say, Texans, to make room for farners. 

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 30, 2016 14:59:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 30, 2016 9:07:00 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

So much this.  Everyone talks about the bad americans...I get that and agree.  We have homegrown crazies to deal with.  No one is trying to deny that.  But why in the hell would we want to import more crazies? 

i will posit something for your consideration:

it is far easier to "screen" for crazy importing someone than to screen 320M Americans for crazy.

if it is true, for example, that the people we import are 1% as crazy as the people here, we might be better off EXPORTING, say, Texans, to make room for farners. 

lol on exporting Texans...nope, I love me some cowboys

Are you saying you are ok with 1% of the people we import being crazy with the potential to harm US citizens?  I'm asking for clarification because I can read your last statement two ways.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 30, 2016 15:03:14 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 30, 2016 14:59:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i will posit something for your consideration:

it is far easier to "screen" for crazy importing someone than to screen 320M Americans for crazy.

if it is true, for example, that the people we import are 1% as crazy as the people here, we might be better off EXPORTING, say, Texans, to make room for farners. 

lol on exporting Texans...nope, I love me some cowboys

don't worry.  Wyoming is still there. 

Are you saying you are ok with 1% of the people we import being crazy with the potential to harm US citizens?  I'm asking for clarification because I can read your last statement two ways.

no, that is NOT what i am saying.

i am viewing this the way an insurance adjuster would.  IF it is true (i didn't say it was) that Group A had 1% of the risk of Group B, you go with Group A, and exclude Group B.

additionally, the argument has been made that we can't screen incoming refugees adequately, and i think that assertion is dubious.

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 30, 2016 15:06:44 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 30, 2016 15:03:14 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

lol on exporting Texans...nope, I love me some cowboys

don't worry.  Wyoming is still there. 

Are you saying you are ok with 1% of the people we import being crazy with the potential to harm US citizens?  I'm asking for clarification because I can read your last statement two ways.

no, that is NOT what i am saying.

i am viewing this the way an insurance adjuster would.  IF it is true (i didn't say it was) that Group A had 1% of the risk of Group B, you go with Group A, and exclude Group B.

additionally, the argument has been made that we can't screen incoming refugees adequately, and i think that assertion is dubious.

I wasn't sure so I asked.  Thanks for the clarification.

[chiver78]

Nov 30, 2016 10:08:14 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 30, 2016 10:01:53 GMT -5 rob base said:

.. IF it was an active shooter would it have still been a knee jerk reaction? ...

Yes.

so I incorrectly read your original comment that the knee jerk reaction was on the part of the media inaccurately reporting a shooter when one wasn't confirmed?

[billisonboard]

Nov 30, 2016 22:41:46 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Nov 30, 2016 10:08:14 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Yes.

so I incorrectly read your original comment that the knee jerk reaction was on the part of the media inaccurately reporting a shooter when one wasn't confirmed?

You are correct in regards to my original comment. I meant Kaine's tweet (or whatever it was). The media tapped his knee (shooter), his leg jerked (tweet do something about guns).

I do see news reporting somewhat differently. What they do is rush to get something, anything, to their audience before anyone else. They know they can correct it later if necessary. They also know more sensational is better. None of this is knee jerk reaction. It is a calculated business decision.

[OldCoyote]

Dec 1, 2016 0:09:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 30, 2016 22:41:46 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

so I incorrectly read your original comment that the knee jerk reaction was on the part of the media inaccurately reporting a shooter when one wasn't confirmed?

You are correct in regards to my original comment. I meant Kaine's tweet (or whatever it was). The media tapped his knee (shooter), his leg jerked (tweet do something about guns).

I do see news reporting somewhat differently. What they do is rush to get something, anything, to their audience before anyone else. They know they can correct it later if necessary. They also know more sensational is better. None of this is knee jerk reaction. It is a calculated business decision.

Hmmm, the posters here are held to a far greater standard than that of, local, national,  international new organizations, police, politicians, government, ect.

God help you if you make a spelling mistake!

[Tennesseer]

Dec 1, 2016 8:05:36 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Dec 1, 2016 0:09:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

You are correct in regards to my original comment. I meant Kaine's tweet (or whatever it was). The media tapped his knee (shooter), his leg jerked (tweet do something about guns).

I do see news reporting somewhat differently. What they do is rush to get something, anything, to their audience before anyone else. They know they can correct it later if necessary. They also know more sensational is better. None of this is knee jerk reaction. It is a calculated business decision.

Hmmm, the posters here are held to a far greater standard than that of, local, national,  international new organizations, police, politicians, government, ect.

God help you if you make a spelling mistake!

No comma needed after 'of' and it's 'etc.'.

[OldCoyote]

Ahhh, Crap, I knew I could not get out of this in one piece.

[Value Buy]

Nov 30, 2016 8:58:43 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I'm thinking of sending my white male Christian son to Somalia for college. Do you think he'll be able to find a nice place to pray openly? I'm hoping to get away from the hate-filled, bigoted, racist, sexist, homophobic oppressive US and into a nice peaceful Muslim country.  Because you know- that's where all the peace is. Where the religion of peace is, there's all this peace and what not. It's gonna be great. 

I would rather see some of the self loathing white male and female posters here, send their kids there. They want to do the talk, do the walk.
Obviously they see no harm coming to their children.

[Value Buy]

Nov 30, 2016 15:03:14 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 30, 2016 14:59:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i will posit something for your consideration:

it is far easier to "screen" for crazy importing someone than to screen 320M Americans for crazy.

if it is true, for example, that the people we import are 1% as crazy as the people here, we might be better off EXPORTING, say, Texans, to make room for farners. 

lol on exporting Texans...nope, I love me some cowboys

Are you saying you are ok with 1% of the people we import being crazy with the potential to harm US citizens?  I'm asking for clarification because I can read your last statement two ways.

I am still waiting for dj to announce how many Muslim terrorists, err, I mean homeless refugees he move in with the family......
He promised to do it.....

[djAdvocate]

Dec 1, 2016 11:47:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 30, 2016 15:03:14 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

lol on exporting Texans...nope, I love me some cowboys

Are you saying you are ok with 1% of the people we import being crazy with the potential to harm US citizens?  I'm asking for clarification because I can read your last statement two ways.

I am still waiting for dj to announce how many Muslim terrorists, err, I mean homeless refugees he move in with the family......
He promised to do it.....

this seems like an attempt to publicly admonish, harass, bait and embarrass me.  was that your intention?

[djAdvocate]

Dec 1, 2016 11:45:28 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 30, 2016 8:58:43 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I'm thinking of sending my white male Christian son to Somalia for college. Do you think he'll be able to find a nice place to pray openly? I'm hoping to get away from the hate-filled, bigoted, racist, sexist, homophobic oppressive US and into a nice peaceful Muslim country.  Because you know- that's where all the peace is. Where the religion of peace is, there's all this peace and what not. It's gonna be great. 

I would rather see some of the self loathing white male and female posters here, send their kids there. They want to do the talk, do the walk.
Obviously they see no harm coming to their children.

um, no.  that is not how it works.

there are people that just like to bitch, and there are people that are actually working for the change they want to see.
if you are working for the change you want to see IN THE US, then you have every right to complain about those that don't give a fuck, or contribute to the problem.

EVERY.....RIGHT.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Nov 30, 2016 14:59:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 30, 2016 9:07:00 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

So much this.  Everyone talks about the bad americans...I get that and agree.  We have homegrown crazies to deal with.  No one is trying to deny that.  But why in the hell would we want to import more crazies? 

i will posit something for your consideration:

it is far easier to "screen" for crazy importing someone than to screen 320M Americans for crazy.

if it is true, for example, that the people we import are 1% as crazy as the people here, we might be better off EXPORTING, say, Texans, to make room for farners. 

I don't know. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and 'screened' about 300,000 for death. Point being, these people are known wolves. They raise their hands. They identify themselves as radical islamists- there are even organizations for the promotion of Sharia in the United States which is treason / subversive activity. 

Like I keep saying- it's not that the problem is too complex for simple solutions; it's that the refusal to consider simple solutions makes the problem seem complex. It's not.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 1, 2016 14:44:34 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Nov 30, 2016 14:59:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i will posit something for your consideration:

it is far easier to "screen" for crazy importing someone than to screen 320M Americans for crazy.

if it is true, for example, that the people we import are 1% as crazy as the people here, we might be better off EXPORTING, say, Texans, to make room for farners. 

I don't know. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and 'screened' about 300,000 for death.

totally agree. Lincoln, FDR, Bush, and Obama all suspended HC (Clinton also did it, but only for one individual, if memory serves).

Point being, these people are known wolves. They raise their hands. They identify themselves as radical islamists- there are even organizations for the promotion of Sharia in the United States which is treason / subversive activity.

we can easily screen out the wolves.  no problem.  and we should.  easy peasy.

Like I keep saying- it's not that the problem is too complex for simple solutions; it's that the refusal to consider simple solutions makes the problem seem complex. It's not.

agreed.  but i think we disagree on what is "simple" -vs- what is "right".

[billisonboard]

Dec 1, 2016 14:44:34 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

... - there are even organizations for the promotion of Sharia in the United States which is treason / subversive activity.

...

I question the idea that "promotion of Sharia ... is treason ..." Okay, it is "subversive activity" in that its adoption would subvert the current system. As long as they are just using persuasion in the attempt to get enough people to support the constitutional changes necessary, what could be more American? That whole "consent of the governed" is something our nation was founded on.

[Value Buy]

Dec 1, 2016 14:36:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 1, 2016 11:47:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I am still waiting for dj to announce how many Muslim terrorists, err, I mean homeless refugees he move in with the family......
He promised to do it.....

this seems like an attempt to publicly admonish, harass, bait and embarrass me.  was that your intention?

Not true. I think way too highly of you.
I truly cannot remember how that pledge turned out on the San Bernadino thread. I believe you stated something to the effect, you inquired and possibly committed to help with expenses of housing a family near by.
And for the record, I do not believe religious refugees of the Muslim faith should be allowed into the country at this time.
I am not welling to risque more Americans being maimed and killed so a few liberals can feel good about their intentions.

[zibazinski]

I'd still like to know how he got into Ohio state and who paid for it? It's not an easy school to get into and very expensive .

[djAdvocate]

Dec 1, 2016 15:48:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 1, 2016 14:36:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this seems like an attempt to publicly admonish, harass, bait and embarrass me.  was that your intention?

Not true. I think way too highly of you.
I truly cannot remember how that pledge turned out on the San Bernadino thread. I believe you stated something to the effect, you inquired and possibly committed to help with expenses of housing a family near by.
And for the record, I do not believe religious refugees of the Muslim faith should be allowed into the country at this time.
I am not welling to risque more Americans being maimed and killed so a few liberals can feel good about their intentions.

ok, my mistake.  i already posted on this.  Virgil can help you locate it.  if you want to discuss it any more than that, IM might be a better venue.  i don't want to make a big deal out of it. 

[zibazinski]

Dec 1, 2016 15:48:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 1, 2016 14:36:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this seems like an attempt to publicly admonish, harass, bait and embarrass me.  was that your intention?

Not true. I think way too highly of you.
I truly cannot remember how that pledge turned out on the San Bernadino thread. I believe you stated something to the effect, you inquired and possibly committed to help with expenses of housing a family near by.
And for the record, I do not believe religious refugees of the Muslim faith should be allowed into the country at this time.
I am not welling to risque more Americans being maimed and killed so a few liberals can feel good about their intentions.

Nothing better than when a lib gets called on their bs

[djAdvocate]

Dec 1, 2016 18:55:49 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Dec 1, 2016 15:48:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Not true. I think way too highly of you.
I truly cannot remember how that pledge turned out on the San Bernadino thread. I believe you stated something to the effect, you inquired and possibly committed to help with expenses of housing a family near by.
And for the record, I do not believe religious refugees of the Muslim faith should be allowed into the country at this time.
I am not welling to risque more Americans being maimed and killed so a few liberals can feel good about their intentions.

Nothing better than when a lib gets called on their bs

oh, i have to disagree there.

there is nothing that beats puncturing the party balloons of small-minded bigots.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

The left's reaction to OSU attack proves why Trump was elected.

thefederalistpapers.org/political-cartoon/liberals-reaction-to-osu-attack-proves-why-trump-was-elected-cartoon

[djAdvocate]

forgive me for saying so, but i (or WE, if that makes it more clear) can handle a knife attack, as a general rule.  if knives were the ONLY issue here, i would be a very contented American.

[Opti]

Nov 28, 2016 11:05:53 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

ughh......again?


CNN link

On the board I don't see anyone on the "left" blaming guns. That's just a cartoonist and some folks opinion. Yes the OP started with the incorrect report of an active shooter, but no gun blaming. None.

Just sadness.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 2, 2016 14:17:06 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 28, 2016 11:05:53 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

ughh......again?


CNN link

On the board I don't see anyone on the "left" blaming guns. That's just a cartoonist and some folks opinion. Yes the OP started with the incorrect report of an active shooter, but no gun blaming. None.

Just sadness.

And it was not even the OP incorrectly reporting an active shooter. It was OSU which sent the message of an active shooter to the thousands of students, teachers, administrators and other employees of the university. The press immediately picked up the warning:

9:52 a.m. — A man later identified as OSU student Abdul Razak Ali Artan drives a car over the curb and into the crowd outside Watts Hall. When the car stopped, he jumped out and stabbed several with a butcher knife.

9:53 a.m. — OSU Police Officer Alan Horujko shoots and kills Artan near the scene.

9:55 a.m. — OSU issues a Buckeye Alert, an electronic notification to students and workers of danger on campus.

9:56 a.m. — OSU issues an alert of an "active shooter" on campus.

Attack at Ohio State | Timeline of events

Just more propaganda from the link under the cartoon.

[Tennesseer]

Keep in mind that no one but the attacker died in this incident.  Had the attacker been carrying a firearm, the outcome may have been quite different.

[zibazinski]

Please take these "refugees " into your homes and support them. Also be responsible for any crimes they commit. Put your lives and money where your mouths are. It's easy to talk big, how about some action?

[OldCoyote]

Not dying in a knife attack is far less traumatic not dying in a gun attack!

[zibazinski]

Trauma is trauma. Every time they look at their wounds and pay the bills associated with being another victim of a criminal, they'll remember. Living in fear because our "leaders" are chicken shit is awful.

[Value Buy]

Dec 3, 2016 9:26:52 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Trauma is trauma. Every time they look at their wounds and pay the bills associated with being another victim of a criminal, they'll remember. Living in fear because our "leaders" are chicken shit is awful.

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