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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 28, 2016 23:59:23 GMT -5
won't THIS be an interesting four years?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 29, 2016 0:06:23 GMT -5
... people from countries and cultures who have no concept of freedom so as to undermine the whole American concept of individual rights and liberty ... the Saturn V which took us too the moon and back. ... German Nazis?
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 29, 2016 11:00:22 GMT -5
... people from countries and cultures who have no concept of freedom so as to undermine the whole American concept of individual rights and liberty ... the Saturn V which took us too the moon and back. ... German Nazis? Illinois Nazi's.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 29, 2016 20:08:27 GMT -5
Notice no gun was used? This must drive gun haters nuts.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 29, 2016 20:29:42 GMT -5
Actually, it never even crossed my mind. But come to think about it, none of those the guy attacked, died.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 29, 2016 20:32:06 GMT -5
Thankfully just the terrorist. Glad a gun was used properly.
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Post by rob base on Nov 29, 2016 22:19:28 GMT -5
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Post by rob base on Nov 29, 2016 22:23:17 GMT -5
Pretty sure it is okay to call the 18 year old originally from Somalia "an 18 year old originally from Somalia." And it is also okay to call these three white American guys Crusaders, a Christian term as you well know, and a term former president George Bush used in describing his invasion of Iraq: Three Kansas men calling themselves ‘Crusaders’ charged in terror plot targeting Muslim immigrantsThree Kansas men have been accused of plotting attacks targeting an apartment complex home, a mosque and many Muslim immigrants from Somalia, authorities said Friday. Curtis Allen, Gavin Wright and Patrick Eugene Stein face federal charges of conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction, the Justice Department announced. “These charges are based on eight months of investigation by the FBI that is alleged to have taken the investigators deep into a hidden culture of hatred and violence,” acting U.S. attorney Tom Beall said in a statement. “Many Kansans may find it as startling as I do that such things could happen here.” Three Kansas men calling themselves ‘Crusaders’ charged in terror plot targeting Muslim immigrantsI failed to mention Curtis Allen posted on Facebook anti-Muslim rants and that he was a Donald Trump supporter. Curtis Allen, Gavin Wright & Patrick Stein: 5 Fast Facts You Need to KnowWhat difference does it make that he "supports" Trump? Is Trump responsible for everyone that supports him? Is Hillary responsible for all the wacko election protesters destroying stuff ? They obviously supported her....
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 29, 2016 23:27:38 GMT -5
What difference does it make that he "supports" Trump? Is Trump responsible for everyone that supports him? Is Hillary responsible for all the wacko election protesters destroying stuff ? They obviously supported her.... With his words, Trump incites physical violence against others whether he consciously knows it or not. As has been previously said on other threads, Trump's words matter.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2016 0:42:17 GMT -5
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 30, 2016 5:14:32 GMT -5
What difference does it make that he "supports" Trump? Is Trump responsible for everyone that supports him? Is Hillary responsible for all the wacko election protesters destroying stuff ? They obviously supported her.... With his words, Trump incites physical violence against others whether he consciously knows it or not. As has been previously said on other threads, Trump's words matter. The lack of response from obama and clinton lends their support to the rioters.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 30, 2016 8:44:11 GMT -5
Now that we know beyond any doubt whatsoever that I read the situation completely correctly from the start, it's up to YOU to ask yourself why? Is it that I have some special genius for intuiting events, or some kind of extra sensory perception which gave me clairvoyance to see into the mind of the radical ISIS-inspired Muslim terrorist which perpetrated the act?y No. I simply refused to ignore the obvious, and slow-walk my conclusions to protect a failed political policy. YOU have to ask yourself: what is the benefit of ignoring the obvious for so long in these cases which ALWAYS turn out to be radical islamic terrorism? Granted, there's no prize for being wrong first. There's no benefit to jumping to conclusions- but this was no great leap. It never is. You have to ask yourself- why were you wrong, and what possible advantage is it to our country and our citizens that we ignore the obvious when radical islamic terrorists strike? And how do any of these politicians that repeatedly beclown themselves in the wake of radical islamic terrorist attacks still have any credibility with anyone? Right now, I'd put John Kasich right up there with Sheila Jackson Lee- only with deadlier results as he has repeatedly called for opening Ohio's borders to "refugees", illegal aliens, and other national security threats. www.dispatch.com/content/stories/public/2016/osu-attack/isis-claims-responsibility-for-ohio-state-attack.html
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 30, 2016 8:44:58 GMT -5
Thankfully just the terrorist. Glad a gun was used properly. He's a good radical muslim now.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 30, 2016 8:46:23 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 30, 2016 8:47:39 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Nov 30, 2016 8:48:18 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 30, 2016 8:53:04 GMT -5
... people from countries and cultures who have no concept of freedom so as to undermine the whole American concept of individual rights and liberty ... the Saturn V which took us too the moon and back. ... German Nazis? Yes. That would be a fine example. Muslims should be treated the same way Germans were during WWII: with a healthy skepticism, and often a denial of entry. FORMER NAZIs from a COMPLETELY defeated Germany which surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY helped, btw.
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Post by Opti on Nov 30, 2016 8:56:50 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 30, 2016 8:58:43 GMT -5
I'm thinking of sending my white male Christian son to Somalia for college. Do you think he'll be able to find a nice place to pray openly? I'm hoping to get away from the hate-filled, bigoted, racist, sexist, homophobic oppressive US and into a nice peaceful Muslim country. Because you know- that's where all the peace is. Where the religion of peace is, there's all this peace and what not. It's gonna be great.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 30, 2016 8:59:17 GMT -5
Kaine screwed is a screw up.
Yeah, I know.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 30, 2016 9:07:00 GMT -5
Or Eric Rudolph, James Charles Kopp, John Salvi, Joseph Stack, Timothy McVeigh, Frank Silva Roque, PaulJennings Hill, Jim David Adkisson, Scott Roeder, Wade Michael Page, etc. Yes, those guys are all bad and should go to jail. we all agree. here's the thing from a value proposition perspective. 1. the only way I can get rid of these guys is to kill the other 320M people in the US who aren't me. That doesn't seem like a good solution, and it's not one I'd do. 2. FOREIGN people coming in, we have a choice about. One choice is we can not let them come in, and therefore, no americans will be hurt by them. OR we can choose to let them come in (you'll have to tell me why we'd burden our culture, educational system and security services with this, but...) and then we take the risk of them being bad.See the difference? for the group of people currently not in the US, at basically zero cost to the US, i can 100% prevent me from having to deal with their shit. For those crazies already in the US, I have to do expensive, crappy things like pay for a lot of law enforcement, schools, social workers and in some ways, relent to a surveillance state. I'd like to have fewer "burdens" in the US and to do more to lift our people up So much this. Everyone talks about the bad americans...I get that and agree. We have homegrown crazies to deal with. No one is trying to deny that. But why in the hell would we want to import more crazies?
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Post by rob base on Nov 30, 2016 9:15:48 GMT -5
To be fair (which it seems hard for people on both sides of this message board to do for whatever reason) I am pretty sure Kaine was responding to the initial reports of an active shooter. He did later correct himself. Seems like an honest mistake to me.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 30, 2016 9:22:35 GMT -5
To be fair (which it seems hard for people on both sides of this message board to do for whatever reason) I am pretty sure Kaine was responding to the initial reports of an active shooter. He did later correct himself. Seems like an honest mistake to me. Great illustration of the problem with knee jerk reactions.
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Post by rob base on Nov 30, 2016 10:01:53 GMT -5
To be fair (which it seems hard for people on both sides of this message board to do for whatever reason) I am pretty sure Kaine was responding to the initial reports of an active shooter. He did later correct himself. Seems like an honest mistake to me. Great illustration of the problem with knee jerk reactions. Not a knee jerk reaction. Press reported "active shooter". IF it was an active shooter would it have still been a knee jerk reaction? i blame the press more than Jaime on this one. He corrected himself pretty quick. IMO no harm no foul no issue
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 30, 2016 10:08:14 GMT -5
.. IF it was an active shooter would it have still been a knee jerk reaction? ... Yes.
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Post by Opti on Nov 30, 2016 10:10:52 GMT -5
With his words, Trump incites physical violence against others whether he consciously knows it or not. As has been previously said on other threads, Trump's words matter. The lack of response from obama and clinton lends their support to the rioters. No. They are looking for a certain response from Trump/Pence. Anything short of that will do nothing. Clinton and Obama cannot make promises for Trump. Only Trump can do that.
Let's pretend Clinton won. In this imaginary future you join the anti-Clinton rioters because you deeply believe Clinton will compromise national security. Trump tells you to calm down it won't be that bad. Would that really convince you? Why would you believe Trump on that? He would have no control over national security being that he wasn't elected and won't be in office to do anything. You would cease protesting, drop your fears, just because lame duck politicians told you to?
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Post by rob base on Nov 30, 2016 10:33:19 GMT -5
The lack of response from obama and clinton lends their support to the rioters. No. They are looking for a certain response from Trump/Pence. Anything short of that will do nothing. Clinton and Obama cannot make promises for Trump. Only Trump can do that.
Let's pretend Clinton won. In this imaginary future you join the anti-Clinton rioters because you deeply believe Clinton will compromise national security. Trump tells you to calm down it won't be that bad. Would that really convince you? Why would you believe Trump on that? He would have no control over national security being that he wasn't elected and won't be in office to do anything. You would cease protesting, drop your fears, just because lame duck politicians told you to?
Of course MIST of them would listen to Trump in that sitch. And even IF they wouldn't. Because it would have no effect he should say NOTHING?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 30, 2016 10:59:41 GMT -5
It's not that problems are so complex that there are no simple solutions, it is that simple solutions have been ignored for so long that problems SEEM complex.
The problem of radical islamic terror is a simple one to solve:
1. All war is economic. Choke off countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar and others who promote radical islamic terror. Actively seize radical islamic terror assets. Do not fund "opposition groups" and "rebels"- this seemed like a good idea in the 1980's when the CIA fueled "jihad" against the godless athiest Soviets-- but we know better now, so stop it. Do it by any means necessary-- if you have to steal it, bomb it, shoot someone, or hack accounts- take their fucking money. CHOKE THEM OFF. While you're doing that- invest in your own country and especially energy production. The foreign policy / energy policy of the United States should be: LET THEM EAT SAND.
2. Do not permit anyone into the United States who will not renounce Sharia and all violence in the name of islam. It would probably shock Americans how many muslim immigrants would never do this- not even though it is permitted to lie as part of jihad. Those in America who will not stop pursuing Sharia, and who will not pronounce it should be electronically interred and monitored unless or until the last vestiges of radical islamic terrorism have been scrubbed from the earth.
3. Eradicate radical islam. A zero tolerance for radical islam should be adopted with the goal being to kill every last human being on earth who even so much as implies support for radical islamic terrorism should be the national security and foreign policy of the United States. So, when you're "vetting" and they won't renounce sharia- execution follows. Sure, some will privately / secretly hold to their beliefs, but the object is to drive radical islam underground. The remaining radical islamists should be running around in the desert like Klan members here run around in the woods. The philosophy should be so marginalized, and fear should grip anyone who utters a violent word towards "infidels", the "west", Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists- etc.
They say you can't kill an ideology, but that is false. We killed national shintoism. And now, it's time to kill radical islam.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 12:48:51 GMT -5
It's not that problems are so complex that there are no simple solutions, it is that simple solutions have been ignored for so long that problems SEEM complex. The problem of radical islamic terror is a simple one to solve: 1. All war is economic. Choke off countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar and others who promote radical islamic terror. Actively seize radical islamic terror assets. Do not fund "opposition groups" and "rebels"- this seemed like a good idea in the 1980's when the CIA fueled "jihad" against the godless athiest Soviets-- but we know better now, so stop it. Do it by any means necessary-- if you have to steal it, bomb it, shoot someone, or hack accounts- take their fucking money. CHOKE THEM OFF. While you're doing that- invest in your own country and especially energy production. The foreign policy / energy policy of the United States should be: LET THEM EAT SAND. 2. Do not permit anyone into the United States who will not renounce Sharia and all violence in the name of islam. It would probably shock Americans how many muslim immigrants would never do this- not even though it is permitted to lie as part of jihad. Those in America who will not stop pursuing Sharia, and who will not pronounce it should be electronically interred and monitored unless or until the last vestiges of radical islamic terrorism have been scrubbed from the earth. 3. Eradicate radical islam. A zero tolerance for radical islam should be adopted with the goal being to kill every last human being on earth who even so much as implies support for radical islamic terrorism should be the national security and foreign policy of the United States. So, when you're "vetting" and they won't renounce sharia- execution follows. Sure, some will privately / secretly hold to their beliefs, but the object is to drive radical islam underground. The remaining radical islamists should be running around in the desert like Klan members here run around in the woods. The philosophy should be so marginalized, and fear should grip anyone who utters a violent word towards "infidels", the "west", Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists- etc. They say you can't kill an ideology, but that is false. We killed national shintoism. And now, it's time to kill radical islam. The last sentence of this sounds familiar. Quote; "The two fundamental Shinto doctrines are that Japan is the country of the gods and her people are the descendants of gods. This concept of the divine descent of the Japanese people, as well as the divine origin of the land, has given rise to a conviction of superiority over other countries and peoples." www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=17&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjk6tzdg9HQAhXEbSYKHaoBAdUQFghrMBA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgotquestions.org%2FShintoism.html&usg=AFQjCNFPi7ewQhGjkzcK7QBRS4IUB_wf8w
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