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Post by Opti on Jul 28, 2016 8:53:20 GMT -5
You should vote for Hillary because she wants to have an America. You should vote for Trump if you want to become Russian and feel its more important he makes money in Russia than the West or the US keep their sovereignty.
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Post by siralynn on Jul 28, 2016 8:56:07 GMT -5
I thought voting for Hillary because she's a woman ran counter to feminism, and she should be judged on merits (or lack there of). And I thought it also ran counter to feminism to dictate to women how they should think or vote because there is a female running. But maybe I don't understand feminism. While I'm damn excited that a woman finally has a reasonable chance of being elected President, and will most definitely be crying tears of joy if Hillary wins this November, I'm not voting for her because she's a woman. (I definitely would NOT vote for Sarah Palin, voted for Obama in 2008, voted for old white guy Jerry Brown over Meg Whitman for governor, etc.) I'm voting for her because she's far and away the most experienced and rationale candidate in the race, and is the best chance to not throw away the gains (like same sex marriage) of the last eight years. The make-up of the Supreme Court for the next couple of decades is at stake, and I'm TERRIFIED of what it would look like if Trump gets elected. Hillary isn't my perfect candidate, and I don't agree with her on all issues. However, I think most of the crapthat has been lobbed at her over the years is a bunch of deeply sexist double-standard bullshit. I am extremely impressed with her resilience in the face of personal attacks that would have left the rest of us crying and broken and unable to get out of bed in the morning.
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Post by siralynn on Jul 28, 2016 8:59:16 GMT -5
Hillary is a pretty piss poor role model for girls. Sticking with a man who abuses your trust for career and political gain. A known liar, and the "unethical but not technically illegal" mishandling of our nations secrets. Yeah, I bet everyone wants their daughter to be just like that. You know who's a piss poor role model? Trump. He's giving an excellent clinic on how to be a terrible human being. I will be damn proud and excited if my daughter and son grow up with Hillary Clinton being the first President that they remember.
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Post by Opti on Jul 28, 2016 8:59:50 GMT -5
Hillary is a pretty piss poor role model for girls. Sticking with a man who abuses your trust for career and political gain. A known liar, and the "unethical but not technically illegal" mishandling of our nations secrets. Yeah, I bet everyone wants their daughter to be just like that. Hillary is a reasonable role model if you model parts of her life you agree with. I won't go into why because I am in shock and anger over Trump's willingness to destroy America for his own gain.
You want a bad role model? I give you Trump. A man so exceedingly blinded by ambition and need for praise that he would ask the one foreign power that could destroy the West to go through our government's computer system. To help him win the election.
Trump is playing for worst role model on the planet. What he is setting into motion could destroy countries and kill millions if not more. Heck, he'll think about simply handing over a country to Russia.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jul 28, 2016 9:02:15 GMT -5
Hillary is a pretty piss poor role model for girls. Sticking with a man who abuses your trust for career and political gain. A known liar, and the "unethical but not technically illegal" mishandling of our nations secrets. Yeah, I bet everyone wants their daughter to be just like that. Speaking as a woman who was 11 years old when the Clintons came to national attention, I have admired her for the majority of my life because I can see her for what she is: smart, ambitious, accomplished,and successful with or without her man. As a kid in 1992, it was so cool to see a woman who still used her maiden name and held onto her pre-Clinton identity and had her own successful career. She had me with that baking cookies comment. Yup, I want my niece to look up to her much as I have! ETA: Resilient! Yes, siralynn! A lesser man would have crawled away crying by now. She's a tough broad!
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jul 28, 2016 9:02:48 GMT -5
Amen, Drama, amen.
And let me add that Hillary has referenced her Christian faith often.
Maybe she simply forgave Bill for his transgressions as her faith asks her to do.
But, really, honestly, and truly -- why does it matter? Do we measure presidential performance by whether or not the person cuts people out of his/her life who f up? Because, IMHO, most of the presidential job description requires dealing with jerks across the globe. An effective president needs to be able to put aside a ton of other people's crap to get anything done. I mean, you can't just divorce another world leader like Trump dumps his wives.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 9:03:49 GMT -5
Hillary is a pretty piss poor role model for girls. Sticking with a man who abuses your trust for career and political gain. A known liar, and the "unethical but not technically illegal" mishandling of our nations secrets. Yeah, I bet everyone wants their daughter to be just like that. You have NO IDEA why she stuck with Bill. That's her damn business. And if I did have a daughter, I'd be pretty effin' proud if she accomplished HALF of what Hillary has. eta: and I'm not even much of a Hillary fan! But Trump is absolutely horrific.
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Post by siralynn on Jul 28, 2016 9:07:35 GMT -5
Once we finally get a woman as president, I hope that next bullshit we can crack is having an openly atheist person elected to the highest office in the land. I'm so sick of the nonsense of worrying about what someone's faith is or isn't.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jul 28, 2016 9:13:35 GMT -5
Once we finally get a woman as president, I hope that next bullshit we can crack is having an openly atheist person elected to the highest office in the land. I'm so sick of the nonsense of worrying about what someone's faith is or isn't. Just for fun, (tic), let's first have a Muslim president just to watch heads explode. ;-)
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2016 9:15:28 GMT -5
So far I see sticking by her man as the only real reason why Hilary isn't fit for the presidency. Really? Like..... REALLY?!?! If a man did exactly what she did you'd be applauding him for being dedicated to his wife and family. Now I don't even really like the Hill-Billy conglomerate all that much, but I will not have Trumpasaurus running this country. Just no. With his 100 ex-wives. And if Hillary re-married that many times, you would be calling her a whore or some other such nonsense. Just own up to your prejudice and get on with your life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 9:17:52 GMT -5
My cousin is married to Gingrich one of the greatest womanizers of all time. Whatever...her business. Not like she didn't know it going in as she started as the other woman. I'm sure if Trump had picked him as running mate there wouldn't be all kinds of trashing of Callista.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2016 9:19:22 GMT -5
Once we finally get a woman as president, I hope that next bullshit we can crack is having an openly atheist person elected to the highest office in the land. I'm so sick of the nonsense of worrying about what someone's faith is or isn't. Just for fun, (tic), let's first have a Muslim president just to watch heads explode. ;-) According to the Tin Foil Gang, we currently do have a Muslim president.
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Post by Opti on Jul 28, 2016 9:20:03 GMT -5
Once we finally get a woman as president, I hope that next bullshit we can crack is having an openly atheist person elected to the highest office in the land. I'm so sick of the nonsense of worrying about what someone's faith is or isn't. Just for fun, (tic), let's first have a Muslim president just to watch heads explode. ;-) We need to get past Mr. 'I love Putin' first.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 28, 2016 9:51:44 GMT -5
Well, I'll take Trump, who will likely be a national security risk over Hillary, who we KNOW has been a national security risk.
It just kills me when people make Hillary out to be the better choice in national security. Both are bad, but I'll take the "probably but maybe not" over the known and proven risk.
It's also worth mentioning she was nominated by a party that specifically ran a biased and unethical primary. Is that also something you want to teach your daughters?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2016 9:54:34 GMT -5
Well, I'll take Trump, who will likely be a national security risk over Hillary, who we KNOW has been a national security risk. It just kills me when people make Hillary out to be the better choice in national security. Both are bad, but I'll take the "probably but maybe not" over the known and proven risk. Likely be a security risk AND further bankrupter of the country.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2016 9:55:56 GMT -5
Well, I'll take Trump, who will likely be a national security risk over Hillary, who we KNOW has been a national security risk. It just kills me when people make Hillary out to be the better choice in national security. Both are bad, but I'll take the "probably but maybe not" over the known and proven risk. It's also worth mentioning she was nominated by a party that specifically ran a biased and unethical primary. Is that also something you want to teach your daughters? Why is it that a man can do these things and no one is worried about him being a bad role model?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 9:56:17 GMT -5
There is SO MUCH coming from the Republican side that I wouldn't want to teach my daughters OR sons. They've gone completely off the deep end. I used to be a Republican. I think in a lot of ways I still am, but I can't back what it's become.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 28, 2016 9:58:42 GMT -5
Hillary is a pretty piss poor role model for girls. Sticking with a man who abuses your trust for career and political gain. A known liar, and the "unethical but not technically illegal" mishandling of our nations secrets. Yeah, I bet everyone wants their daughter to be just like that. Speaking as a woman who was 11 years old when the Clintons came to national attention, I have admired her for the majority of my life because I can see her for what she is: smart, ambitious, accomplished,and successful with or without her man. As a kid in 1992, it was so cool to see a woman who still used her maiden name and held onto her pre-Clinton identity and had her own successful career. She had me with that baking cookies comment. Yup, I want my niece to look up to her much as I have! ETA: Resilient! Yes, siralynn! A lesser man would have crawled away crying by now. She's a tough broad! Great, so not only are we likely going to have to put up with Hillary as president, but a whole generation of Hillary clones. It's a shame more people don't want to hold themselves to a higher standard.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2016 10:02:11 GMT -5
Speaking as a woman who was 11 years old when the Clintons came to national attention, I have admired her for the majority of my life because I can see her for what she is: smart, ambitious, accomplished,and successful with or without her man. As a kid in 1992, it was so cool to see a woman who still used her maiden name and held onto her pre-Clinton identity and had her own successful career. She had me with that baking cookies comment. Yup, I want my niece to look up to her much as I have! ETA: Resilient! Yes, siralynn! A lesser man would have crawled away crying by now. She's a tough broad! Great, so not only are we likely going to have to put up with Hillary as president, but a whole generation of Hillary clones. It's a shame more people don't want to hold themselves to a higher standard. Uh no, we just want to be held at the SAME standard as men.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2016 10:04:20 GMT -5
There is SO MUCH coming from the Republican side that I wouldn't want to teach my daughters OR sons. They've gone completely off the deep end. I used to be a Republican. I think in a lot of ways I still am, but I can't back what it's become. Libertarian.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 10:05:53 GMT -5
There is SO MUCH coming from the Republican side that I wouldn't want to teach my daughters OR sons. They've gone completely off the deep end. I used to be a Republican. I think in a lot of ways I still am, but I can't back what it's become. Libertarian. Yes, I think I identify most with the Libertarians. I sure wish this two party domination would crumble.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 28, 2016 10:05:57 GMT -5
Amen, Drama, amen. And let me add that Hillary has referenced her Christian faith often. Maybe she simply forgave Bill for his transgressions as her faith asks her to do. But, really, honestly, and truly -- why does it matter? Do we measure presidential performance by whether or not the person cuts people out of his/her life who f up? Because, IMHO, most of the presidential job description requires dealing with jerks across the globe. An effective president needs to be able to put aside a ton of other people's crap to get anything done. I mean, you can't just divorce another world leader like Trump dumps his wives. Personally I'm pretty skeptical she's really a Christian. But I generally try to avoid passing judgement on the faith of others because I don't know what's really in their hearts. But, it's probably a carefully crafted, self serving lie to get elected and increase her own personal wealth and power, just like everything else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 10:08:02 GMT -5
Amen, Drama, amen. And let me add that Hillary has referenced her Christian faith often. Maybe she simply forgave Bill for his transgressions as her faith asks her to do. But, really, honestly, and truly -- why does it matter? Do we measure presidential performance by whether or not the person cuts people out of his/her life who f up? Because, IMHO, most of the presidential job description requires dealing with jerks across the globe. An effective president needs to be able to put aside a ton of other people's crap to get anything done. I mean, you can't just divorce another world leader like Trump dumps his wives. Personally I'm pretty skeptical she's really a Christian. But I generally try to avoid passing judgement on the faith of others because I don't know what's really in their hearts. But, it's probably a carefully crafted, self serving lie to get elected and increase her own personal wealth and power, just like everything else. You mean just like Trump.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jul 28, 2016 10:09:09 GMT -5
Speaking as a woman who was 11 years old when the Clintons came to national attention, I have admired her for the majority of my life because I can see her for what she is: smart, ambitious, accomplished,and successful with or without her man. As a kid in 1992, it was so cool to see a woman who still used her maiden name and held onto her pre-Clinton identity and had her own successful career. She had me with that baking cookies comment. Yup, I want my niece to look up to her much as I have! ETA: Resilient! Yes, siralynn! A lesser man would have crawled away crying by now. She's a tough broad! Great, so not only are we likely going to have to put up with Hillary as president, but a whole generation of Hillary clones. It's a shame more people don't want to hold themselves to a higher standard. Yes, hopefully we will have a whole new generation of accomplished, strong women!
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 28, 2016 10:09:50 GMT -5
There is SO MUCH coming from the Republican side that I wouldn't want to teach my daughters OR sons. They've gone completely off the deep end. I used to be a Republican. I think in a lot of ways I still am, but I can't back what it's become. You'll get no argument from me. Trump is the opposite of a good role model, but no one has claimed he ever was, but they do for Hillary because she happens to be a female. How is THAT not a double standard.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 28, 2016 10:10:09 GMT -5
... I sure wish this two party domination would crumble. Do your part in November to help it happen.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2016 10:10:34 GMT -5
Amen, Drama, amen. And let me add that Hillary has referenced her Christian faith often. Maybe she simply forgave Bill for his transgressions as her faith asks her to do. But, really, honestly, and truly -- why does it matter? Do we measure presidential performance by whether or not the person cuts people out of his/her life who f up? Because, IMHO, most of the presidential job description requires dealing with jerks across the globe. An effective president needs to be able to put aside a ton of other people's crap to get anything done. I mean, you can't just divorce another world leader like Trump dumps his wives. Personally I'm pretty skeptical she's really a Christian. But I generally try to avoid passing judgement on the faith of others because I don't know what's really in their hearts. But, it's probably a carefully crafted, self serving lie to get elected and increase her own personal wealth and power, just like everything else. No different from any other career politician. Except from the fact that she has a vagina.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2016 10:11:11 GMT -5
Yes, I think I identify most with the Libertarians. I sure wish this two party domination would crumble. Feel the Johnson!!!!
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 28, 2016 10:13:18 GMT -5
Well, I'll take Trump, who will likely be a national security risk over Hillary, who we KNOW has been a national security risk. It just kills me when people make Hillary out to be the better choice in national security. Both are bad, but I'll take the "probably but maybe not" over the known and proven risk. Likely be a security risk AND further bankrupter of the country. The ship has already saled on bankrupting the country, regardless of who is elected.
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Post by Opti on Jul 28, 2016 10:18:16 GMT -5
There is SO MUCH coming from the Republican side that I wouldn't want to teach my daughters OR sons. They've gone completely off the deep end. I used to be a Republican. I think in a lot of ways I still am, but I can't back what it's become. You'll get no argument from me. Trump is the opposite of a good role model, but no one has claimed he ever was, but they do for Hillary because she happens to be a female. How is THAT not a double standard. I would like you to own your double standard. That its OK for Trump to be unworthy of being a good role model and yet its not OK for Hillary. Its OK for Trump to market his Christianity as if its real, but you want to care and doubt about Hillary's.
Don't worry about other people's double standards. You are advocating at least two in this very thread.
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