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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 14:18:06 GMT -5
If only we could get over our need to classify people by the color of their skins, we might be able to get to the point we don't need to even bring up such things. Sadly, I'll not hold my breath. i think the "all lives matter" response shows just how far we have to go. it misses the point completely.
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Post by gregintenn on Jul 10, 2016 14:18:10 GMT -5
If only we could get over our need to classify people by the color of their skins, we might be able to get to the point we don't need to even bring up such things. Sadly, I'll not hold my breath.
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Post by Ombud on Jul 10, 2016 14:19:54 GMT -5
i think the "all lives matter" response shows just how far we have to go. it misses the point completely. good bait!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 14:20:53 GMT -5
thanks for your insight and participation, greg.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 14:22:20 GMT -5
i think the "all lives matter" response shows just how far we have to go. it misses the point completely. good bait!! i'm not baiting. it is how i see this issue. let me ask you a question, Ombud: would you trade places with a black person? simple question. what's your answer?
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Post by Ombud on Jul 10, 2016 14:32:23 GMT -5
i'm not baiting. it is how i see this issue. let me ask you a question, Ombud: would you trade places with a black person? simple question. what's your answer? Very simple question. With my SO? No, I don't like his field of work. With my bi-racial GKs? Too be young again! With those in my town who are a minority? Yeah, it'd be a welcome change from us 'Jews screwed up the world.' With those in Oakland who lost a day's wages bc stores had to close down due to impending problems (store owners will still get the shoppers on another day but those workers won't get the wages back)? I'm not that income dependent and it's not an issue in my town but I feel sorry for those who are working multiple jobs at minimum wage and now are out $$s.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2016 14:36:29 GMT -5
I want the president to come out and call this a hate crime as he did with the Orlando shooting. I don't care about Loretta lynch. If Obama can call the Orlando shooting a hate crime without any investigationhe can do the same for this. Unless he has and I missed it. You are going to have to prove to me at least, that President indeed called that a hate crime versus a crime of hate which has no legal definition. Fine. If you want to get hung up on semantics then you are correct. However, I can't find anything where he says the same thing about the black man out to kill white people. If one is an act of hate so is the other. Yet he won't put the two in the same category because it doesn't fit his agenda.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 14:36:42 GMT -5
i'm not baiting. it is how i see this issue. let me ask you a question, Ombud: would you trade places with a black person? simple question. what's your answer? Very simple question. With my SO? No, I don't like his field of work. With my bi-racial GKs? Too be young again! With those in my town who are a minority? Yeah, it'd be a welcome change from us 'Jews screwed up the world.' With those in Oakland who lost a day's wages bc stores had to close down due to impending problems (store owners will still get the shoppers on another day but those workers won't get the wages back)? I'm not that income dependent and it's not an issue in my town but I feel sorry for those who are working multiple jobs at minimum wage and now are out $$s. maybe i didn't ask it clearly enough: would you voluntarily change your skin color from white to black? was that clearer?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 14:38:36 GMT -5
You are going to have to prove to me at least, that President indeed called that a hate crime versus a crime of hate which has no legal definition. Fine. If you want to get hung up on semantics then you are correct. However, I can't find anything where he says the same thing about the black man out to kill white people. If one is an act of hate so is the other. Yet he won't put the two in the same category because it doesn't fit his agenda. approximately 25% of all hate crimes are against white people: According to FBI Hate Crime Statistics, among the single-bias hate crime incidents in 2012, there were 3,467 victims of racially motivated hate crimes. It found that nearly one in four were victims of an anti-white bias. In other words blacks attacking whites because they were white.Aug 28, 2015
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Post by Opti on Jul 10, 2016 14:38:42 GMT -5
i'm not baiting. it is how i see this issue. let me ask you a question, Ombud: would you trade places with a black person? simple question. what's your answer? Very simple question. With my SO? No, I don't like his field of work. With my bi-racial GKs? Too be young again! With those in my town who are a minority? Yeah, it'd be a welcome change from us 'Jews screwed up the world.' With those in Oakland who lost a day's wages bc stores had to close down due to impending problems (store owners will still get the shoppers on another day but those workers won't get the wages back)? I'm not that income dependent and it's not an issue in my town but I feel sorry for those who are working multiple jobs at minimum wage and now are out $$s.
Qs: would you trade places with a black person?
simple question. what's your answer?
A(initial): With my SO? No, I don't like his field of work.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2016 14:40:05 GMT -5
I think obama jumps on the "they killed because they were black" before any of the facts are out. He refuses to do the same when a black kills a white. And he parades thigs out like the boy next store and the progressives lap it up. Yet when men who are doing nothing but try to protect and serve are murdered, no one seems to care. Definitely bias from the president and from the majority of this board. I will never understand it. But I do admit that the president is turning me into a person who wants to plastert White Lives Matter all over the place because he seems not to think so. you didn't answer my question. I did answer your question. No, I don't think the president acting like only black lives matter is helping the cause. ALL LIVES MATTER! And I'm sick of everyone jumping into assuming the cops are out murdering black men the minute one of them gets shot. Here's a thought, maybe the black men did something to get shot. But we are a nation of thinking the worst of cops. I saw so many posts on my FB from people automatically condemning the cops for the shootings last week...can't even wait until the details are out. Automatically the cops are wrong. It blows my mind.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jul 10, 2016 14:40:26 GMT -5
If only we could get over our need to classify people by the color of their skins, we might be able to get to the point we don't need to even bring up such things. Sadly, I'll not hold my breath. i think the "all lives matter" response shows just how far we have to go. it misses the point completely. Yes and no. Part of the reason for the rise of BLM is that people felt that "black lives" weren't being as valued, but the irony is that it seems in today's environment, it's only when "black lives" are killed by police that there is national coverage. I don't know anybody who honestly believes that police haven't shot and/or killed people from every race...but yet it seems on a national level, we really don't care about those lives. I don't think BLM is saying other lives don't matter, but I do think just dismissing the retort that "all lives matter," as missing the point is a little too simplistic as well because those people aren't saying "black lives" don't matter anymore than BLM is saying other lives don't matter....they are just saying this particular issue isn't just an issue for one race, it's an issue for all of us. However you can't have a movement for every other race that is affected by this issue without somebody calling them racist or without somebody saying they are "missing the point." So while I understand people getting upset by BLM or those saying that "all lives matter," I think the outrage is misplaced by both sides...unless of course you really believe only BLM and you don't care about other people who face the same issue.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 14:40:52 GMT -5
Very simple question. With my SO? No, I don't like his field of work. With my bi-racial GKs? Too be young again! With those in my town who are a minority? Yeah, it'd be a welcome change from us 'Jews screwed up the world.' With those in Oakland who lost a day's wages bc stores had to close down due to impending problems (store owners will still get the shoppers on another day but those workers won't get the wages back)? I'm not that income dependent and it's not an issue in my town but I feel sorry for those who are working multiple jobs at minimum wage and now are out $$s.
Qs: would you trade places with a black person?
simple question. what's your answer?
A(initial): With my SO? No, I don't like his field of work.
it's a non-answer. and that's fine. but i am actually not playing games here. i will answer the question, if Ombud won't. no....fucking.....way. not in a million years.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2016 14:41:37 GMT -5
Very simple question. With my SO? No, I don't like his field of work. With my bi-racial GKs? Too be young again! With those in my town who are a minority? Yeah, it'd be a welcome change from us 'Jews screwed up the world.' With those in Oakland who lost a day's wages bc stores had to close down due to impending problems (store owners will still get the shoppers on another day but those workers won't get the wages back)? I'm not that income dependent and it's not an issue in my town but I feel sorry for those who are working multiple jobs at minimum wage and now are out $$s. maybe i didn't ask it clearly enough: would you voluntarily change your skin color from white to black? was that clearer? What does that have to do with anything? I wouldn't voluntarily turn myself into a ginger either (no offense to gingers!) but that doesn't mean I hate gingers or think they should all die. But that also doesn't mean that gingers' lives matter more than non-gingers', either.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 14:42:48 GMT -5
you didn't answer my question. I did answer your question. No, I don't think the president acting like only black lives matter is helping the cause. no, you didn't. i will ask it again: do you think that not talking about it (racism) was better? my question had nothing to do with "the president". want to try again?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 14:45:02 GMT -5
maybe i didn't ask it clearly enough: would you voluntarily change your skin color from white to black? was that clearer? What does that have to do with anything? i guess it isn't obvious. let's try this:
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Post by Ombud on Jul 10, 2016 14:45:22 GMT -5
Very simple question. With my SO? No, I don't like his field of work. With my bi-racial GKs? Too be young again! With those in my town who are a minority? Yeah, it'd be a welcome change from us 'Jews screwed up the world.' With those in Oakland who lost a day's wages bc stores had to close down due to impending problems (store owners will still get the shoppers on another day but those workers won't get the wages back)? I'm not that income dependent and it's not an issue in my town but I feel sorry for those who are working multiple jobs at minimum wage and now are out $$s. maybe i didn't ask it clearly enough: would you voluntarily change your skin color from white to black? was that clearer? baiting if you didn't like my answer
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 14:50:13 GMT -5
maybe i didn't ask it clearly enough: would you voluntarily change your skin color from white to black? was that clearer? baiting if you didn't like my answer my wife is Jewish. my son is Jewish. if you don't think i have sympathy for what you "bolded", you need to "reshape your thinking". edit: i was looking for a simple yes or no. in my case the answer is HELL NO. if yours is YES (without the explanations) i would like to hear it.
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Post by Opti on Jul 10, 2016 14:51:08 GMT -5
You are going to have to prove to me at least, that President indeed called that a hate crime versus a crime of hate which has no legal definition. Fine. If you want to get hung up on semantics then you are correct. However, I can't find anything where he says the same thing about the black man out to kill white people. If one is an act of hate so is the other. Yet he won't put the two in the same category because it doesn't fit his agenda. MT, I have to be hung on semantics because there is a legal definition to "hate crime" versus crime of hate. He was filled with hate.
I think you and others want him to fit your agenda and are always looking for reasons to get mad at him. This is one quote from Obama:
I believe I speak for every single American when I say we are horrified over these events, and we stand united with the people and the police department in Dallas," the president said Friday, speaking from the NATO summit in Poland.
Obama went on to call the shooting a "vicious, calculated and despicable attack on law enforcement," adding that it is a "a wrenching reminder of the sacrifices [police] make for us."
The fact that you and others are way too focused on what he didn't say, is about you, not him. Unless you can read his mind you don't know what he believes. There is a collective you that is so hyper-focused on race in regards to the President, you can't see him clearly at all. Yes, he is a bit biased, but honestly the collective you is starting to look like rabid fault finders. People with agendas always looking for the next thing to complain and go OMG about.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 14:51:12 GMT -5
nothing new there. we all know it. what do you suggest to fix it?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2016 14:55:21 GMT -5
I did answer your question. No, I don't think the president acting like only black lives matter is helping the cause. no, you didn't. i will ask it again: do you think that not talking about it (racism) was better? my question had nothing to do with "the president". want to try again? I guess I can't because I clearly don't understand what you are asking.
All I know is everyone jumps on the bandwagon before knowing the facts. I saw so many posts on FB claiming Alton Sterling was a victim...new video released proves that he refused to listen to the cops and he was shot because he wouldn't stop trying to reach to the right...same spot where a gun was found. It is very easy for everyone to sit back and say "evil cops killed another black man" but we aren't the ones putting our lives on the line each day we go to work. I watched the video. Cop yelled "he's got a gun" and they keep screaming at him to stay still. Dumb fuck refused to listen and cops reacted. Would everyone be happier if he blew the two cops away?? Because based on the reaction to the 5 cops being massacred in Dallas that's what I'm guessing.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2016 14:57:48 GMT -5
Fine. If you want to get hung up on semantics then you are correct. However, I can't find anything where he says the same thing about the black man out to kill white people. If one is an act of hate so is the other. Yet he won't put the two in the same category because it doesn't fit his agenda. MT, I have to be hung on semantics because there is a legal definition to "hate crime" versus crime of hate. He was filled with hate.
I think you and others want him to fit your agenda and are always looking for reasons to get mad at him. This is one quote from Obama:
I believe I speak for every single American when I say we are horrified over these events, and we stand united with the people and the police department in Dallas," the president said Friday, speaking from the NATO summit in Poland.
Obama went on to call the shooting a "vicious, calculated and despicable attack on law enforcement," adding that it is a "a wrenching reminder of the sacrifices [police] make for us."
The fact that you and others are way too focused on what he didn't say, is about you, not him. Unless you can read his mind you don't know what he believes. There is a collective you that is so hyper-focused on race in regards to the President, you can't see him clearly at all. Yes, he is a bit biased, but honestly the collective you is starting to look like rabid fault finders. People with agendas always looking for the next thing to complain and go OMG about.
He is more than a bit biased...when was the last time he got on the news and made an issue out of a white person being killed by police? Or a Hispanic person? He doesn't get on the news until a black person is killed. That is beyond biased.
I don't have an agenda...but I do have an issue with the president having one.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 15:00:13 GMT -5
no, you didn't. i will ask it again: do you think that not talking about it (racism) was better? my question had nothing to do with "the president". want to try again? I guess I can't because I clearly don't understand what you are asking.
All I know is everyone jumps on the bandwagon before knowing the facts. I saw so many posts on FB claiming Alton Sterling was a victim...new video released proves that he refused to listen to the cops and he was shot because he wouldn't stop trying to reach to the right...same spot where a gun was found. It is very easy for everyone to sit back and say "evil cops killed another black man" but we aren't the ones putting our lives on the line each day we go to work. I watched the video. Cop yelled "he's got a gun" and they keep screaming at him to stay still. Dumb fuck refused to listen and cops reacted. Would everyone be happier if he blew the two cops away?? Because based on the reaction to the 5 cops being massacred in Dallas that's what I'm guessing.
i agree. knee jerk reactions are everywhere. i am just wondering whether you think America is better off not having the conversation about race? i can actually UNDERSTAND someone answering NO to that question, for the record. i think it is great that we are having this conversation. is it hard? you bet it is.
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Post by Opti on Jul 10, 2016 15:02:13 GMT -5
MT, I have to be hung on semantics because there is a legal definition to "hate crime" versus crime of hate. He was filled with hate.
I think you and others want him to fit your agenda and are always looking for reasons to get mad at him. This is one quote from Obama:
I believe I speak for every single American when I say we are horrified over these events, and we stand united with the people and the police department in Dallas," the president said Friday, speaking from the NATO summit in Poland.
Obama went on to call the shooting a "vicious, calculated and despicable attack on law enforcement," adding that it is a "a wrenching reminder of the sacrifices [police] make for us."
The fact that you and others are way too focused on what he didn't say, is about you, not him. Unless you can read his mind you don't know what he believes. There is a collective you that is so hyper-focused on race in regards to the President, you can't see him clearly at all. Yes, he is a bit biased, but honestly the collective you is starting to look like rabid fault finders. People with agendas always looking for the next thing to complain and go OMG about.
He is more than a bit biased...when was the last time he got on the news and made an issue out of a white person being killed by police? Or a Hispanic person? He doesn't get on the news until a black person is killed. That is beyond biased.
I don't have an agenda...but I do have an issue with the president having one.
I think he gets on the news because the situation gets enough national attention that he or his staff feels he needs to speak. At this time, there is no non-black person in recent memory who got killed by police that a mass of citizens was up in arms about.
In general I think a President should not comment about many incidents in the US. They need to be of national importance or unfortunately obsessed about by a significant amount of citizens.
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Post by Ombud on Jul 10, 2016 15:02:36 GMT -5
baiting if you didn't like my answer my wife is Jewish. my son is Jewish. if you don't think i have sympathy for what you "bolded", you need to "reshape your thinking". edit: i was looking for a simple yes or no. in my case the answer is HELL NO. if yours is YES (without the explanations) i would like to hear it. baiting bc you can yet I cannot for those living in my house. Good baiting
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I guess I can't because I clearly don't understand what you are asking.
All I know is everyone jumps on the bandwagon before knowing the facts. I saw so many posts on FB claiming Alton Sterling was a victim...new video released proves that he refused to listen to the cops and he was shot because he wouldn't stop trying to reach to the right...same spot where a gun was found. It is very easy for everyone to sit back and say "evil cops killed another black man" but we aren't the ones putting our lives on the line each day we go to work. I watched the video. Cop yelled "he's got a gun" and they keep screaming at him to stay still. Dumb fuck refused to listen and cops reacted. Would everyone be happier if he blew the two cops away?? Because based on the reaction to the 5 cops being massacred in Dallas that's what I'm guessing.
i agree. knee jerk reactions are everywhere. i am just wondering whether you think America is better off not having the conversation about race? i can actually UNDERSTAND someone answering NO to that question, for the record. i think it is great that we are having this conversation. is it hard? you bet it is. I think a discussion is good. But what is not good is making every thug out there to be a victim to further ykur cause. It weakens the argument and makes people think that there is no issue. I guess I caution people against who they want to use as their poster child for cop on black murder.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 15:09:50 GMT -5
my wife is Jewish. my son is Jewish. if you don't think i have sympathy for what you "bolded", you need to "reshape your thinking". edit: i was looking for a simple yes or no. in my case the answer is HELL NO. if yours is YES (without the explanations) i would like to hear it. baiting bc you can yet I cannot for those living in my house. Good baiting of course you can. but i am asking you, not them. so, your answer is YES? if so, i accept that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 15:12:20 GMT -5
i agree. knee jerk reactions are everywhere. i am just wondering whether you think America is better off not having the conversation about race? i can actually UNDERSTAND someone answering NO to that question, for the record. i think it is great that we are having this conversation. is it hard? you bet it is. I think a discussion is good. But what is not good is making every thug out there to be a victim to further ykur cause. It weakens the argument and makes people think that there is no issue. I guess I caution people against who they want to use as their poster child for cop on black murder. sorry, were you using the "royal your" there? because i don't really have an iron in this fire. i am just curious what others think. truth told, i am really anti-authoritarian. if the cop is white, i am disposed against him. if he is black, i am disposed against him. no fault of theirs, it is just how i am built. does that mean i have zero sympathy when they are wrongfully harmed? no. of course not. but i am not inclined to side with them simply because they are a cop. that having been said, i don't care much whether the victim of police violence is white or black, EITHER.
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Post by Ombud on Jul 10, 2016 15:13:27 GMT -5
Go back and read my post. Then consider how far we've gone off track from a total of 7 families completely devastated as well as 7 others crushed by last week's tragedies
Edited to replace "acknowledge" with 'consider.' Doubt you'll acknowledge
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