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Post by billisonboard on Jul 9, 2016 23:33:29 GMT -5
No I explained that Loretta Lynch stated that the story there would be a hate crime investigation was not accurate because the person responsible was dead and therefore there was no need to investigate the case. She indicated that if local authorities found others were involved, than a hate crime investigation would be back on the table, i.e. she saw a need to investigate it as a possible hate crime. You aren't questioning. You are race baiting. Didn't they call Orlando a hate crime the shooter was dead there also. Loretta Lynch stated that the story there would be a hate crime investigation was not accurate because the person responsible was dead and therefore there was no need to investigate the case. She indicated that if local authorities found others were involved, than a hate crime investigation would be back on the table, i.e. she saw a need to investigate it as a possible hate crime.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 6:36:15 GMT -5
Loretta Lynch, from my listening perch, seems to be a pretty fair minded individual when speaking to the public.. I'm a little confused: what is the definition of a hate crime? Because hate crime comes in all forms, (and in your case, words).. It is when an unfound derogatory remark is read into someone else's honest response to crimes committed.
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Post by gregintenn on Jul 10, 2016 9:00:32 GMT -5
Bills, I am beginning to think it has much to do with the RW lies that are told to the followers. That hate crimes can only be whites against blacks or whites against anyone. So there is this deep unreasonable need for someone to say this is a hate crime, so some of those with the RW beliefs dancing in their heads can believe? acknowledge? have a OMG talkfest? IDK, over what most of us non-RWers see as obvious.
Yes, Virginia, if the guy wasn't dead, it could have been prosecuted as a hate crime providing there was enough proof to make it reasonable to do so. Duh. Has a black person ever been convicted of a "hate crime"?
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 10, 2016 9:12:11 GMT -5
Bills, I am beginning to think it has much to do with the RW lies that are told to the followers. That hate crimes can only be whites against blacks or whites against anyone. So there is this deep unreasonable need for someone to say this is a hate crime, so some of those with the RW beliefs dancing in their heads can believe? acknowledge? have a OMG talkfest? IDK, over what most of us non-RWers see as obvious.
Yes, Virginia, if the guy wasn't dead, it could have been prosecuted as a hate crime providing there was enough proof to make it reasonable to do so. Duh. Has a black person ever been convicted of a "hate crime"? Yes.
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Post by Ombud on Jul 10, 2016 9:40:51 GMT -5
So there is this deep unreasonable need for someone to say this is a hate crimeHas a black person ever been convicted of a "hate crime"? If we are going to call out all of our flaws, do we get to pick and choose?
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 10, 2016 9:52:23 GMT -5
There was a lone gunman, just like Orlando. Either they are both hate crimes or neither are hate crimes. What I find funny is that obama immediately came Out and called the Orlando massacre a hate crime...haven't seen that from him regarding the Dallas massacre of police (to be fair, I could have missed it). Loretta Lynch responded to reports that the Feds would investigate the Dallas shootings as a hate crime by saying if local authorities determined that the sole perpetrator was dead they wouldn't do an investigation but if living individuals were determined to have been involved, such an investigation would be "on the table". Would you agree if it is never listed as a hate crime, because it is never investigated, the Government is possibly remiss from not listing it as a hate crime? If it is a hate crime, it should be listed as such regardless of whether he lived or not. It does not matter whether he is alive or not. It does matter if it is a hate crime to list it as such. The government is all about statistics, but if the statistics are miscalculated, they are incorrect.
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Post by Ombud on Jul 10, 2016 9:56:10 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 10, 2016 10:07:02 GMT -5
Loretta Lynch responded to reports that the Feds would investigate the Dallas shootings as a hate crime by saying if local authorities determined that the sole perpetrator was dead they wouldn't do an investigation but if living individuals were determined to have been involved, such an investigation would be "on the table". Would you agree if it is never listed as a hate crime, because it is never investigated, the Government is possibly remiss from not listing it as a hate crime? If it is a hate crime, it should be listed as such regardless of whether he lived or not. It does not matter whether he is alive or not. It does matter if it is a hate crime to list it as such. The government is all about statistics, but if the statistics are miscalculated, they are incorrect. How much money you want to spend to add it to the list?
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Post by tallguy on Jul 10, 2016 10:17:18 GMT -5
First, federal law does not include police officers as a "target" of hate crimes. In fact, only one state does, and there are arguments against that statute. Crimes against police are already treated as more serious and with greater penalties than crimes against other civilians. The argument is that adding the intent to justify hate crime charges would make cases more difficult to prosecute.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 10, 2016 10:18:30 GMT -5
... Not bc it's a black guy shooting people bc they are white however 2 others have been detained for questioning per MSNBC (tv) ... Don't infuriate BLM? After all it was a black marksman and white cops (had it been a white marksman and black civilians I think she would have come out as fast as in Orlando) which is why I needed clarification on hate crime definition. Gee, how could I have missed your point being the need for accuracy in governmental statistics.
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Post by Ombud on Jul 10, 2016 10:31:22 GMT -5
Gee, how could I have missed your point being the need for accuracy in governmental statistics. 1. I'm not Loretta Lynch 2. IMHO it is deplorable to ambush anyone 3. Statistics aid in understanding any issue. To say there are more X in a subset population (prisons, gangs,unemployed, in police forces) is irrelevant without knowing how many X there are in the general population
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 10, 2016 10:39:45 GMT -5
... I'm not Loretta Lynch ... Okay, but I encourage you to not stress it. Few of us are as accomplished as she. Loretta Lynch Biography
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2016 11:40:04 GMT -5
billisonboard , yes you told me I should believe you that it wasn't a hate crime bc he was dead although I'm just supposed to shut up and not question further Since he's dead, it no longer matters whether it is a hate crime or not, because govt will not waste resources to try dead people. And, I think one of the posts said it might have been tried as a hate crime if there had been a living shooter that did it with the sniper.
But it was just him, he's dead, so ... debating charges that will never be filed is at best mental masturbation.
But the Orlando shooter was also killed, yet obama and the liberals (including all of the liberals on here) had no problem labeling that massacre a hate crime? Need we go back to that thread and see the countless "hate crimes against LGBT" tossed around? So why is this different? By all reports, this black guy wanted to kill white people and white cops. We can't charge him but we can at least acknowledge that it was a hate crime.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2016 11:41:28 GMT -5
Didn't they call Orlando a hate crime the shooter was dead there also. Loretta Lynch stated that the story there would be a hate crime investigation was not accurate because the person responsible was dead and therefore there was no need to investigate the case. She indicated that if local authorities found others were involved, than a hate crime investigation would be back on the table, i.e. she saw a need to investigate it as a possible hate crime. I want the president to come out and call this a hate crime as he did with the Orlando shooting. I don't care about Loretta lynch. If Obama can call the Orlando shooting a hate crime without any investigationhe can do the same for this. Unless he has and I missed it.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 10, 2016 12:16:45 GMT -5
Loretta Lynch stated that the story there would be a hate crime investigation was not accurate because the person responsible was dead and therefore there was no need to investigate the case. She indicated that if local authorities found others were involved, than a hate crime investigation would be back on the table, i.e. she saw a need to investigate it as a possible hate crime. I want the president to come out and call this a hate crime as he did with the Orlando shooting. I don't care about Loretta lynch. If Obama can call the Orlando shooting a hate crime without any investigationhe can do the same for this. Unless he has and I missed it. He seems to take a bit of perverse delight in not doing what others wish him to do. I must confess it is one of the things I like in him.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2016 12:32:26 GMT -5
I want the president to come out and call this a hate crime as he did with the Orlando shooting. I don't care about Loretta lynch. If Obama can call the Orlando shooting a hate crime without any investigationhe can do the same for this. Unless he has and I missed it. He seems to take a bit of perverse delight in not doing what others wish him to do. I must confess it is one of the things I like in him. If you think being biased is a good trait for our president, then I can see why you like. In my opinion, he is widenkng the racial divide.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 10, 2016 12:37:47 GMT -5
... In my opinion, he is widenkng the racial divide. I think you give him too much credit. I think what has been is just more in our faces.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 10, 2016 12:40:28 GMT -5
He seems to take a bit of perverse delight in not doing what others wish him to do. I must confess it is one of the things I like in him. If you think being biased is a good trait for our president, then I can see why you like. ... Presidents have always been biased, this one just has some that really bug certain people.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 12:46:47 GMT -5
He seems to take a bit of perverse delight in not doing what others wish him to do. I must confess it is one of the things I like in him. If you think being biased is a good trait for our president, then I can see why you like. In my opinion, he is widenkng the racial divide. i think the FACT of him brings the debate into focus. do you think that not talking about it was better?
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Post by Ombud on Jul 10, 2016 13:29:40 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 10, 2016 13:36:04 GMT -5
I fully agree Loretta Lynch is more qualified to be president than Trump.
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Post by Ombud on Jul 10, 2016 13:49:46 GMT -5
She's also more qualified than Hillary
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2016 13:57:20 GMT -5
If you think being biased is a good trait for our president, then I can see why you like. In my opinion, he is widenkng the racial divide. i think the FACT of him brings the debate into focus. do you think that not talking about it was better? I think obama jumps on the "they killed because they were black" before any of the facts are out. He refuses to do the same when a black kills a white. And he parades thigs out like the boy next store and the progressives lap it up. Yet when men who are doing nothing but try to protect and serve are murdered, no one seems to care. Definitely bias from the president and from the majority of this board. I will never understand it. But I do admit that the president is turning me into a person who wants to plastert White Lives Matter all over the place because he seems not to think so.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2016 13:58:09 GMT -5
If you think being biased is a good trait for our president, then I can see why you like. ... Presidents have always been biased, this one just has some that really bug certain people. No point in debating with you. You are as biased as he is WhiteLivesMatter
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 10, 2016 14:01:04 GMT -5
Presidents have always been biased, this one just has some that really bug certain people. No point in debating with you. You are as biased as he is WhiteLivesMatter I'll own that.
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Post by Ombud on Jul 10, 2016 14:12:57 GMT -5
All Lives Matter (Asian DD, Black SO, Biracial Kids all matter)
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 14:15:36 GMT -5
i think the FACT of him brings the debate into focus. do you think that not talking about it was better? I think obama jumps on the "they killed because they were black" before any of the facts are out. He refuses to do the same when a black kills a white. And he parades thigs out like the boy next store and the progressives lap it up. Yet when men who are doing nothing but try to protect and serve are murdered, no one seems to care. Definitely bias from the president and from the majority of this board. I will never understand it. But I do admit that the president is turning me into a person who wants to plastert White Lives Matter all over the place because he seems not to think so. you didn't answer my question.
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Post by Opti on Jul 10, 2016 14:16:13 GMT -5
Loretta Lynch stated that the story there would be a hate crime investigation was not accurate because the person responsible was dead and therefore there was no need to investigate the case. She indicated that if local authorities found others were involved, than a hate crime investigation would be back on the table, i.e. she saw a need to investigate it as a possible hate crime. I want the president to come out and call this a hate crime as he did with the Orlando shooting. I don't care about Loretta lynch. If Obama can call the Orlando shooting a hate crime without any investigationhe can do the same for this. Unless he has and I missed it. You are going to have to prove to me at least, that President indeed called that a hate crime versus a crime of hate which has no legal definition.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 10, 2016 14:16:15 GMT -5
If only we could get over our need to classify people by the color of their skins, we might be able to get to the point we don't need to even bring up such things. Sadly, I'll not hold my breath.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2016 14:17:14 GMT -5
that is precisely what "black lives matter" MEANS. it means "stop killing us, we matter TOO". the lack of perspective in this debate is one of it's most appalling features. or, to put it another way:
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