billisonboard
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 25, 2016 10:49:10 GMT -5
... The other point was that they fired a missile at a ship(which you are ignoring) then took sailors hostage at gun point when there was apparently a malfunction in their vessel. A diplomatic action would have been to sit with the vessel and attempt to help them repair the ship so they could exit their waters.(Russian planes over California's coast recently with no action, so argue theory about boats all you want) ... I just want go over all of this. You claim they fired a missile at a ship. I provide an article that quoted a US official saying the missile was not fired at the ship. You state sailors were taking hostage at gunpoint. Shall we look at that. Military personnel enter the territorial waters of another country near one of those countries military bases. The low level military personnel charged with security of that base respond. And, OMG, these security personnel are individually armed and their response boats have weapons also. And, again OMG, when they approach these vessels they man the weapons on the boats. Then these low level security personnel, a third OMG, place the military personnel who have entered their territorial waters in a physical stance to ensure that they are not a threat. Now a fourth OMG, these low level security personnel actually take the personnel and their boats back to their base. Personally I don't find the fact that low level security personnel provided security for their base instead of engaging in diplomacy to be shocking. It seems to me that once those charged with doing diplomacy got involved, diplomacy happened. You talk about planes over the California coast and no action being taken. I find an article that indicates the planes weren't "over" the coast but well off it and they were operating legally. The article also indicated the planes were met by US fighter jets which I would assume were armed. You cite another story about planes flying legally. Then it is a very generic statement which you offer because every specific you cite has been countered. Thanks for the fun. Have a great day.
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dondub
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Post by dondub on Jan 25, 2016 11:39:18 GMT -5
By "bashing" you mean accurately depicting the fact that he is crowing about this being American diplomacy, right?
There you go again.
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dondub
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Post by dondub on Jan 25, 2016 11:44:26 GMT -5
Further, you try to prove a point that Iran was justified in taking US sailors at gunpoint by bringing up topics that were supposed to be done and in the past according to the release of the 2 billion in addition to the accounts being unfrozen. Plus, you are trying weave these points from left field into me somehow saying that these past actions - which were not even being discussed - are grasping at straws; which is called lying.
Not quite. I believe the point I actually made was that Iran was justified in operating the same security protocols we would under the exact same circumstances. As for the 'grasping at straws allegation"? The way I read it was you were accusing me of such behavior and not the other way around. Now that's lying!
So yeah, you've got nothing and you are grasping at straws to try and prove that this was a win for diplomacy.
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