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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 16, 2015 15:59:38 GMT -5
While that all sounds great and gnarly and stuff..... the cops won't let you in with a gun here either......
Regardless of what Ted Nugent's views may be, you can't carry at his show either.
So as much fun as packing heat while doing XTC or whatever in the mosh pit may be, it ain't happening. You can't carry at a Ted Nugent concert? Oh, that's priceless!
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 16, 2015 16:01:24 GMT -5
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Post by b2r on Nov 16, 2015 16:40:12 GMT -5
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 16, 2015 16:43:30 GMT -5
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away! What's your point? Do you think young drunk/stoned people should be armed at concerts?
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 16, 2015 16:49:35 GMT -5
Why won't you answer the question? Yes or no?
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 16, 2015 16:52:18 GMT -5
Lol! I read your link. Yes, feminists broke the world!
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 16, 2015 16:54:30 GMT -5
They should have been happy with dishes, laundry, housework and greeting their husbands at the door. wearing a negligee and a martini in hand. Instead, we broke the world! Broke Europe! Broke everything good and moral!
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Post by b2r on Nov 16, 2015 16:57:09 GMT -5
Why won't you answer the question? Yes or no? Were the people that lived in those neighbourhoods able to defend themselves? Yes or No? Why no security at Bataclan, when they have a history of threats?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 16, 2015 16:57:15 GMT -5
Any indigenous resistance of Europeans who refuse to hand over the countries of their ancestors to often radical and criminal Muslim foreigners is labeled “hateful”, “racist”, even “Nazi”.
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The Left, mainly orchestrated by Zionist interests, is destroying our countries from the inside. (from link above) So it is in Zionist interests to have Europe overrun by radical and criminal Muslims? This supports Israel how?
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 16, 2015 17:02:57 GMT -5
Why won't you answer the question? Yes or no? Were the people that lived in those neighbourhoods able to defend themselves? Yes or No? Why no security at Bataclan, when they have a history of threats? Most of the deaths were at the concert. Do you think young drunk/stoned/high concert-goers should have been armed? Yes or no?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 16, 2015 17:07:50 GMT -5
While that all sounds great and gnarly and stuff..... the cops won't let you in with a gun here either......
Regardless of what Ted Nugent's views may be, you can't carry at his show either.
So as much fun as packing heat while doing XTC or whatever in the mosh pit may be, it ain't happening. You can't carry at a Ted Nugent concert? Oh, that's priceless!
You can't carry weapons, loaded or unloaded, on Tennessee state house grounds either, even though the state house has rule folks living and visiting Tennessee can carry weapons pretty much anywhere including public parks. I say what is good for the gander is good for the goose.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Nov 16, 2015 20:36:41 GMT -5
My heart aches for the families and all victims. The emergency people and police.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Nov 16, 2015 20:51:53 GMT -5
Why won't you answer the question? Yes or no? Were the people that lived in those neighbourhoods able to defend themselves? Yes or No? Why no security at Bataclan, when they have a history of threats? Or how about the AREA'S where the cops won't even go? I wonder how many rocket launchers, hand grenades, and automatic weapons are in these zones??
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Post by fishy999 on Nov 16, 2015 20:57:40 GMT -5
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away! What's your point? Do you think young drunk/stoned people should be armed at concerts?
You mean to say that perhaps thousands of people in a dark concert hall being armed is a bad idea It is Trump's latest vomit- that somehow gun laws contributed- he is a delusional idiot- on the surface- in reality he said that garbage on purpose because he knows exactly who his audience is- that's why his numbers aren't going anywhere- he has a lot of company. The only way to stop these people is to stop the mechanism for creating them, not contribute to it. If not a gun, a bomb, a plane, etc. No way to stop a committed person that is determined to kill. (Listen up gun nuts- I just helped out your argument a little )
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 16, 2015 21:00:08 GMT -5
Your link seems to link to this thread.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Nov 16, 2015 21:10:12 GMT -5
Thanks, bills. The NYT article should be there now.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 16, 2015 21:55:20 GMT -5
Were the people that lived in those neighbourhoods able to defend themselves? Yes or No? Why no security at Bataclan, when they have a history of threats? Most of the deaths were at the concert. Do you think young drunk/stoned/high concert-goers should have been armed? Yes or no? Yes
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Post by Shooby on Nov 16, 2015 21:56:30 GMT -5
Oh, and yes I do clearly have an issue with "gun free" zones. If politicians get to have the option to protect themselves and their families with guns, then so should everyone else. Yes, because 500 armed people at a Heavy Metal event, drinking and no doubt doing drugs, is a Really Good Idea! What could possibly go wrong?
I think we saw what could go wrong didnt we?
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Post by Shooby on Nov 16, 2015 22:05:00 GMT -5
Pissy Obama shows up late then doesnt like the reporters asking him a few questions. Uh huh.
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Post by Jaguar on Nov 16, 2015 23:54:24 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 0:15:03 GMT -5
radical islam has had a rhetorical friend in the neoconservative right since way before 911. fmi: see "the power of nightmares" by Adam Curtis
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 17, 2015 9:38:04 GMT -5
Is anyone really surprised about these attacks?? Are you going to be surprised at he attacks that ARE going to happen in the future??
The U.S. runs the drone program, Yea, we the good guys of the world go out blow up some terrorist in some small village, in the process kill several other people, innocent men, women, and children.
Just because they happen to be in the way.
We the good guys call this Necessary Collateral Damage, So when they retaliate, killing innocent men, women, and children they are terrorist!
Some thing is lost in the translation!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 17, 2015 9:52:11 GMT -5
Not that I condone the so-called "war on terror", but if you think this is bad, wait until ISIS hits an American target. It's a statistical inevitability, and we probably won't have to wait long. When it happens, those who dream of down-arming or disarming the American people can say goodbye to their dream until at least 2020. The fundamental issue is one of trust. Do the American people trust the government and civil law enforcement to protect them? A U.S. attack on a scale anywhere near what we saw in Paris and the answer will be a resounding 'no'. And while arming everybody to the teeth doesn't strike me as the most sensible way to keep people safe, I can at least sympathize with Americans' loss of trust. Our governments can't protect citizens from these kinds of attacks, and I don't think they'll ever be able to. Anybody who disagrees, put up your hand.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 17, 2015 11:00:12 GMT -5
Is anyone really surprised about these attacks?? Are you going to be surprised at he attacks that ARE going to happen in the future?? The U.S. runs the drone program, Yea, we the good guys of the world go out blow up some terrorist in some small village, in the process kill several other people, innocent men, women, and children. Just because they happen to be in the way. We the good guys call this Necessary Collateral Damage, So when they retaliate, killing innocent men, women, and children they are terrorist! Some thing is lost in the translation! So following the Paris attacks in November: FRANCOIS HOLLANDE has told France that it is now at war with Islamic State (ISIS) ... www.express.co.uk/news/world/619784/Hollande-France-war-ISIS-Paris-attacks However, in September: The country had announced earlier this month that it would expand its aerial campaign against ISIS in Iraq -- which it began a year ago -- to include the militant group's positions in Syria. ...http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/27/middleeast/syria-france-isis-bombing/ So France has been bombing them for over a year but wasn't at war with them until now. I agree, something is lost in the translation for me also.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 11:00:20 GMT -5
i don't think you are carrying this to it's logical conclusion, Virgil.
do you REALLY believe that arming ourselves to the teeth would prevent this?
we were armed to the teeth on September 11th. did it help?
how would our little pea shooters keep planes from crashing into buildings?
we might not trust the government, but that fact won't stop terrorism, or even slow it down.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 11:02:02 GMT -5
Is anyone really surprised about these attacks?? Are you going to be surprised at he attacks that ARE going to happen in the future?? The U.S. runs the drone program, Yea, we the good guys of the world go out blow up some terrorist in some small village, in the process kill several other people, innocent men, women, and children. Just because they happen to be in the way. We the good guys call this Necessary Collateral Damage, So when they retaliate, killing innocent men, women, and children they are terrorist! Some thing is lost in the translation! So following the Paris attacks in November: FRANCOIS HOLLANDE has told France that it is now at war with Islamic State (ISIS) ... www.express.co.uk/news/world/619784/Hollande-France-war-ISIS-Paris-attacks However, in September: The country had announced earlier this month that it would expand its aerial campaign against ISIS in Iraq -- which it began a year ago -- to include the militant group's positions in Syria. ...http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/27/middleeast/syria-france-isis-bombing/ So France has been bombing them for over a year but wasn't at war with them until now. I agree, something is lost in the translation for me also. this is really it, right? we are having this discussion as if we are all somehow innocent victims- and the only ones in the equation. one thing i like about Ron Paul is he is not afraid to confront that. we need more politicians like him, if we are ever going to fix this mess.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 11:23:45 GMT -5
Is anyone really surprised about these attacks?? Are you going to be surprised at he attacks that ARE going to happen in the future?? The U.S. runs the drone program, Yea, we the good guys of the world go out blow up some terrorist in some small village, in the process kill several other people, innocent men, women, and children. Just because they happen to be in the way. We the good guys call this Necessary Collateral Damage, So when they retaliate, killing innocent men, women, and children they are terrorist! Some thing is lost in the translation! not a bit. far from defeating terrorism, we have thrown kerosene on it since 911. the attacks will come with increasing frequency and viciousness.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 17, 2015 12:12:48 GMT -5
i don't think you are carrying this to it's logical conclusion, Virgil. do you REALLY believe that arming ourselves to the teeth would prevent this? we were armed to the teeth on September 11th. did it help? how would our little pea shooters keep planes from crashing into buildings? we might not trust the government, but that fact won't stop terrorism, or even slow it down. What part of "arming everybody to the teeth doesn't strike me as the most sensible way to keep people safe" is confusing you? Moreover, you're missing the point. The push towards a more well-armed citizenry won't be to prevent suicide bombings or plane crashes. The aim will be to prevent systemic executions such as the massacre at the Bataclan. Suppose for sake of argument we ignore all of the adverse effects of arming everyone to the teeth. This is one case where I agree with gun control opponents that having a few armed concert-goers would have, with high likelihood, significantly reduced the body count. You can wave your hands and speculate that it would have just added to the carnage, but that's not a sound argument in this case. In some situations, I'd agree with you. Not this one. And before you start going nuts with the ALLCAPS: yes I realize it's illogical to ignore all of the adverse effects of arming everyone to the teeth. I'm just pointing out what people will be thinking when they flock to the gun stores en masse if gunmen ever perpetrate an attack on US soil. They'll be thinking they don't want to be the helpless, terrified French citizens waiting to be executed at the Bataclan.
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Post by midjd on Nov 17, 2015 12:28:01 GMT -5
i don't think you are carrying this to it's logical conclusion, Virgil. do you REALLY believe that arming ourselves to the teeth would prevent this? we were armed to the teeth on September 11th. did it help? how would our little pea shooters keep planes from crashing into buildings? we might not trust the government, but that fact won't stop terrorism, or even slow it down. What part of "arming everybody to the teeth doesn't strike me as the most sensible way to keep people safe" is confusing you? Moreover, you're missing the point. The push towards a more well-armed citizenry won't be to prevent suicide bombings or plane crashes. The aim will be to prevent systemic executions such as the massacre at the Bataclan. Suppose for sake of argument we ignore all of the adverse effects of arming everyone to the teeth. This is one case where I agree with gun control opponents that having a few armed concert-goers would have, with high likelihood, significantly reduced the body count. You can wave your hands and speculate that it would have just added to the carnage, but that's not a sound argument in this case. In some situations, I'd agree with you. Not this one. And before you start going nuts with the ALLCAPS: yes I realize it's illogical to ignore all of the adverse effects of arming everyone to the teeth. I'm just pointing out what people will be thinking when they flock to the gun stores en masse if gunmen ever perpetrate an attack on US soil. They'll be thinking they don't want to be the helpless, terrified French citizens waiting to be executed at the Bataclan. I see your point, and agree somewhat. But I think the terrorists we are dealing with are smart enough to anticipate this reaction. We always seem to be a step (or more) behind. The next time it won't be guns in a theater, or a hijacked plane, or a crockpot bomb -- it will be something we're not expecting and cannot defend against. If buying a gun makes Joe Schmoe feel safer, great -- but I don't think it will actually protect him from terrorists any more than the TSA does.
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