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Post by truthbound on Nov 4, 2015 5:25:06 GMT -5
This Milennial Liberal Psycho BS needs to end. If you have a dick you shower with the boys.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 4, 2015 7:47:43 GMT -5
Why are Americans laying down and letting the Govt steamroll over them? Are we servants of them? Hell no. And, I didn't know mentally ill boys had the right to have their twigs and berries flaunted in front of school girls. More ridiculous BS from the iron fisted dictatorship that is now the US Govt.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 4, 2015 7:49:49 GMT -5
But of course, the school girls have no "rights'. Their rights are not important. Only the Trans person's rights are important. Only their discomfort is important. Uh huh.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 4, 2015 7:51:47 GMT -5
As long as there are segregated (by gender) restrooms or locker rooms, they need to be done by a no-nonsense, easily verifiable criteria. I'm fine with something I saw on-line somewhere (paraphrased) "If you have a penis, you use the 'People with Penises' room... if you have a vagina, you use the 'People with Vaginas' room". Either that or we need to grow up as a society and realize that EVERYONE knows (or eventually will know) what the other gender has (generally speaking... they may not know sizes, dimensions or colors... but boys know what girls have and girls know what boys have). And understanding that, we need to socially advance to "unisex" facilities... where everyone uses the same room. We could even keep the idea of "privacy stalls" that we have now in the gender segregated restrooms... I mean really... a person next to you pooping is a person next to you pooping. Men and women don't poop differently. And peeing is still just peeing... even if some stand to do it. That won't work because someone might decide that their penis is not actually a penis and call it Bob. So, you will have to create special rooms for that. Or, their vagina isn't really there because they decided it isn't.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 4, 2015 8:16:58 GMT -5
Why are Americans laying down and letting the Govt steamroll over them? Are we servants of them? Hell no. And, I didn't know mentally ill boys had the right to have their twigs and berries flaunted in front of school girls. More ridiculous BS from the iron fisted dictatorship that is now the US Govt. Just be glad the government isn't forcing universities to admit stupid people who identify as "smart". And modeling agencies can still turn down unattractive people who identify as "attractive"... for now.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Nov 4, 2015 8:44:25 GMT -5
I can't say I've known a lot of transgender people, but the ones I've known where all men and all still were attracted to women. It's odd that we don't have men and women in the same showers because of modesty and what might happen, but some people don't see the same possibility with men, who identify as women but are still attracted to women while also having a penis. Even if everybody knows what everybody else has, there is a reason we don't force seeing what everybody else has on children (or even adults without consent). I'm surprised they even let a man (even one that identifies as female) play on a women's sports team because of the competitive advantage it could offer. I said it in another post, but people can try to be too "open-minded" to the extent that they lose common sense. I'm going to say something else and flame away...but this is one of the only instances I know of where society tries to go to this type of extreme to accommodate a person's perception of reality (or a person's wish of what they would like their reality to be), even when it is so different from actual reality. It's also one of the only situations I know of where people get offended when somebody calls it a psychological disorder...when any other time a person's perception of their body and the actual reality is so different, we definitely don't go to this type of extreme to accommodate that view. If a person wants to get a sex change...it's their body...but until that happens, common sense needs to taken into consideration. Are the transgender people you know formerly women who are now openly living as men (at work for example) or are they men who like to (most times) privately dress up in women's clothing but are still attracted/have sexual relations with women? If it is the later, then that would be someone who is a cross-dresser versus a transgender. They were going through the transition, and expected to have surgery at a later date when I knew them...I want to say Jenner was still attracted to women when asked the question in an interview. Which brings up another question of how to differentiate between the two in public if more areas are going to be expected to allow people to use the facilities for which they most identify. If somebody is a cross-dresser, there is no way to really know that they don't identify as female, even if they mostly identify as male.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 4, 2015 8:53:22 GMT -5
How times have changed. Remember when the U.S.A. made insinuations the Russians had some female athletes that were questionably labeled female in the Olympics? Hormone levels were off the charts. I guess they were just misunderstood gender people too. Lop the nuts off the guy and he MAY have an argument. Until then, he/she changes alone. Or at least let the female athletes towel swat his ass with impunity, and maybe laugh at his privates without any sexual inuendo charges.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 4, 2015 9:03:27 GMT -5
Are the transgender people you know formerly women who are now openly living as men (at work for example) or are they men who like to (most times) privately dress up in women's clothing but are still attracted/have sexual relations with women? If it is the later, then that would be someone who is a cross-dresser versus a transgender. They were going through the transition, and expected to have surgery at a later date when I knew them...I want to say Jenner was still attracted to women when asked the question in an interview. Which brings up another question of how to differentiate between the two in public if more areas are going to be expected to allow people to use the facilities for which they most identify. If somebody is a cross-dresser, there is no way to really know that they don't identify as female, even if they mostly identify as male. Cross-dressers usually only get dressed up in female adornment at home. Rarely do they go out in public all dressed up. Cross-dressing is a sexual fetish (the feel of silky undergarments on skin for example) versus a transgender which has less to do with physical sexual fantasy and more to do with self-identity and image.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Nov 4, 2015 9:08:04 GMT -5
I'm going to ask another question to maybe open up more conversation, especially since I don't really see a lot of people trying to defend this decision...does anybody think this would even be a discussion if the "T" wasn't part of the LGBTQ alliance? Does being part of a larger alliance change the perception of a group of people (for good or bad)? It definitely changes the power of a group, but does it change the perception of it too? Basically, would this issue be viewed differently if transgender wasn't part of that larger alliance?
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Nov 4, 2015 9:09:53 GMT -5
They were going through the transition, and expected to have surgery at a later date when I knew them...I want to say Jenner was still attracted to women when asked the question in an interview. Which brings up another question of how to differentiate between the two in public if more areas are going to be expected to allow people to use the facilities for which they most identify. If somebody is a cross-dresser, there is no way to really know that they don't identify as female, even if they mostly identify as male. Cross-dressers usually only get dressed up in female adornment at home. Rarely do they go out in public all dressed up. Cross-dressing is a sexual fetish (the feel of silky undergarments on skin for example) versus a transgender which has less to do with physical sexual fantasy and more to do with self-identity and image. Ok...I don't know if I know any cross-dressers (but they may not be open about it). However, the transgender people I knew were pretty open about it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 4, 2015 9:14:22 GMT -5
Cross-dressers usually only get dressed up in female adornment at home. Rarely do they go out in public all dressed up. Cross-dressing is a sexual fetish (the feel of silky undergarments on skin for example) versus a transgender which has less to do with physical sexual fantasy and more to do with self-identity and image. Ok... I don't know if I know any cross-dressers (but they may not be open about it). However, the transgender people I knew were pretty open about it. There you go. The cross-dressers would most likely not be out in public using ladies rooms to relieve themselves. Yes, that is what transgender people do-live their lives in public.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Nov 4, 2015 9:16:11 GMT -5
Ok... I don't know if I know any cross-dressers (but they may not be open about it). However, the transgender people I knew were pretty open about it. There you go. The cross-dressers would most likely not be out in public using ladies rooms to relieve themselves. Yes, that is what transgender people do-live their lives in public. Which is why I said "ok" after your first explanation.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 4, 2015 9:19:19 GMT -5
There you go. The cross-dressers would most likely not be out in public using ladies rooms to relieve themselves. Yes, that is what transgender people do-live their lives in public. Which is why I said "ok" after your first explanation. I know what "ok" means.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Nov 4, 2015 9:24:12 GMT -5
I skimmed this thread, I'm in my.phone. but the first question I need to ask is this - what were the circumstances that allowed this child to be eligible for the girls sports team? why do those requirements differ from whatever gets you tye locker room of your choosing? sent from my electronic distraction I think it's a fair question because even if a male identifies as female, it doesn't mean all the male characteristics go away; and I have to wonder how other teams feel about that situation as well. It's all well and good if there is no competitive advantage, but it's another thing if the team is winning more games because of it. Even if people have no issue with people who are transgender, there are certain realities to the situation that need to be taken into consideration.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Nov 4, 2015 9:25:06 GMT -5
Which is why I said "ok" after your first explanation. I know what "ok" means. Ok.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Nov 4, 2015 9:26:46 GMT -5
Well, the next time I'm at a sporting event, concert, etc. I'm going to the men's room. I'll just claim I'm transgender. Sure will beat standing in line with legs crossed about to pee in my pants waiting for a stall to open in the ladies room. Wonder how many tansgender will decide to use the men's room when they see the ungodly long lines in ladies restroom. There's a downside to some things!!! But if someone wants to be a woman they should have all parts removed. I mean, why shouldn't they have to sit on toilet to take a whiz and then realize there is no friggin toilet paper there. I don't think it's fair they can be a woman and just whip it out and shake it off when finished. ETA: I'll let ya'll get back to the serious crap now.....
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Post by The Captain on Nov 4, 2015 9:41:13 GMT -5
Well, the next time I'm at a sporting event, concert, etc. I'm going to the men's room. I'll just claim I'm transgender. Sure will beat standing in line with legs crossed about to pee in my pants waiting for a stall to open in the ladies room. Wonder how many tansgender will decide to use the men's room when they see the ungodly long lines in ladies restroom. There's a downside to some things!!! But if someone wants to be a woman they should have all parts removed. I mean, why shouldn't they have to sit on toilet to take a whiz and then realize there is no friggin toilet paper there. I don't think it's fair they can be a woman and just whip it out and shake it off when finished. ETA: I'll let ya'll get back to the serious crap now..... OMFG that brilliant!!! Why the hell didn't I think of it sooner. What would have made it even more perfect is if I thought of this when I was preggers with DD and running to pee every 30 minutes.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 4, 2015 9:53:51 GMT -5
Well, the next time I'm at a sporting event, concert, etc. I'm going to the men's room. I'll just claim I'm transgender. Sure will beat standing in line with legs crossed about to pee in my pants waiting for a stall to open in the ladies room. Wonder how many tansgender will decide to use the men's room when they see the ungodly long lines in ladies restroom. There's a downside to some things!!! But if someone wants to be a woman they should have all parts removed. I mean, why shouldn't they have to sit on toilet to take a whiz and then realize there is no friggin toilet paper there. I don't think it's fair they can be a woman and just whip it out and shake it off when finished. ETA: I'll let ya'll get back to the serious crap now..... I doubt you would be using the urinals though. If you are in a stall, meh, no big deal.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Nov 4, 2015 10:16:34 GMT -5
Well, the next time I'm at a sporting event, concert, etc. I'm going to the men's room. I'll just claim I'm transgender. Sure will beat standing in line with legs crossed about to pee in my pants waiting for a stall to open in the ladies room. Wonder how many tansgender will decide to use the men's room when they see the ungodly long lines in ladies restroom. There's a downside to some things!!! But if someone wants to be a woman they should have all parts removed. I mean, why shouldn't they have to sit on toilet to take a whiz and then realize there is no friggin toilet paper there. I don't think it's fair they can be a woman and just whip it out and shake it off when finished. ETA: I'll let ya'll get back to the serious crap now..... I doubt you would be using the urinals though. If you are in a stall, meh, no big deal. Of course I would be using a stall. I hate to admit it but I have gone into the men's room before but had someone check to see if there was anyone in there and the kind gentleman guarded the door till I came out - hey, it was during Mardi Gras. Line was out the door and on the sidewalk for the ladies room. But at that point I would have straddled a urinal if necessary
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 4, 2015 10:32:11 GMT -5
I doubt you would be using the urinals though. If you are in a stall, meh, no big deal. Of course I would be using a stall. I hate to admit it but I have gone into the men's room before but had someone check to see if there was anyone in there and the kind gentleman guarded the door till I came out - hey, it was during Mardi Gras. Line was out the door and on the sidewalk for the ladies room. But at that point I would have straddled a urinal if necessary That would have been interesting to see...or not. Reminds me of the first time I went to France on vacation around 1970-Europe On Five Dollars A Day-the accommodations and restaurants looked like it. No shower in the 'hotel' room just a wash pan. But there was a sink, and a toilet-but what was that other porcelain bowl in the room? Had no idea what it was for but water did fill it. So I washed my feet in it.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Nov 4, 2015 11:51:59 GMT -5
Does anybody think this is the right decision in this circumstance?
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 4, 2015 11:54:55 GMT -5
Not me. I won't even shower or change in a health club now since men can just come on in. I wonder when women who decide they're men will start to barge into the men's locker room and bathroom? But most women aren't voyeurs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 19:09:56 GMT -5
Well, the next time I'm at a sporting event, concert, etc. I'm going to the men's room. I'll just claim I'm transgender. Sure will beat standing in line with legs crossed about to pee in my pants waiting for a stall to open in the ladies room. Wonder how many tansgender will decide to use the men's room when they see the ungodly long lines in ladies restroom. There's a downside to some things!!! But if someone wants to be a woman they should have all parts removed. I mean, why shouldn't they have to sit on toilet to take a whiz and then realize there is no friggin toilet paper there. I don't think it's fair they can be a woman and just whip it out and shake it off when finished. ETA: I'll let ya'll get back to the serious crap now..... Remember... men stand and pee at the urinals... so you can't sit on the john in a stall. If you are going to claim manliness... you have to pee like a man!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 19:16:05 GMT -5
Well, the next time I'm at a sporting event, concert, etc. I'm going to the men's room. I'll just claim I'm transgender. Sure will beat standing in line with legs crossed about to pee in my pants waiting for a stall to open in the ladies room. Wonder how many tansgender will decide to use the men's room when they see the ungodly long lines in ladies restroom. There's a downside to some things!!! But if someone wants to be a woman they should have all parts removed. I mean, why shouldn't they have to sit on toilet to take a whiz and then realize there is no friggin toilet paper there. I don't think it's fair they can be a woman and just whip it out and shake it off when finished. ETA: I'll let ya'll get back to the serious crap now..... OMFG that brilliant!!! Why the hell didn't I think of it sooner. What would have made it even more perfect is if I thought of this when I was preggers with DD and running to pee every 30 minutes. Truth be told... most adult guys wouldn't care if a woman came into the men's room to actually use the restroom. I think the only problem with females in male facilities is really the parents of school kids going ape-shit over little Johnny maybe seeing something they aren't ready (or willing) to explain. OR worry over little Johnny being teased BY the females over his "endowment" (or lack thereof). Well... that and the BS double standard of reporter access to athletes. Female reporters think they should be allowed in male locker rooms after a game ( while the players are in various states of undress)... but people go apeshit if it's suggested reversing the situation and letting male reporters into female locker rooms. JMHO though.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 4, 2015 20:14:40 GMT -5
Well, the next time I'm at a sporting event, concert, etc. I'm going to the men's room. I'll just claim I'm transgender. Sure will beat standing in line with legs crossed about to pee in my pants waiting for a stall to open in the ladies room. Wonder how many tansgender will decide to use the men's room when they see the ungodly long lines in ladies restroom. There's a downside to some things!!! But if someone wants to be a woman they should have all parts removed. I mean, why shouldn't they have to sit on toilet to take a whiz and then realize there is no friggin toilet paper there. I don't think it's fair they can be a woman and just whip it out and shake it off when finished. ETA: I'll let ya'll get back to the serious crap now..... Meh, I do that all the time at concerts and sporting events, when the line for the ladies room is too long. Don't even have to announce I'm transgender. Nobody bats an eye.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 4, 2015 20:20:56 GMT -5
My daughter, if I had one, has the right to choose what male sees her naked. And that's what this boy is until he isn't anymore - a male. Anything else is pure horseshit. We've leaned over so far to accommodate "unique", we've fallen flat. This is not comparable to skin color. I'm absolutely fine with a woman of a different race in my locker room. I'm not fine with a man in it. If the parents in this school were smart, they'd pull their children immediately. Money talks. As soon as that school is about to go broke, they will change their tune.
Why do I have the feeling that this is going to open the door for lots more boys who decide they want to be girls just so they can go into the girls' locker room. And don't say it won't happen - because it will. There is absolutely no doubt of that whatsoever. People better start standing up for themselves and they better start doing it right now. Do you really think any boy will go through four years of high school, pretending to be transgender? They'll be opening themselves up to a world of hurt, bullying and humiliation and won't be able to get any dates, not to mention dressing and acting as female during that whole time. What boy would do that, just to get into the girls' locker room? It's absurd.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 4, 2015 20:31:26 GMT -5
I don't think this issue is about vaginas and penises at all. It's about rights and responsibilities of our society and it's about the fact that more and more and more we bend to the demands of the few.
We rationalize it in many different ways. We say it doesn't hurt the majority. But it does. Not bc some guy will see some some girls' boobs, but bc all a "few" have to do is be loud enough. It doesn't have to be right, it just have to be loud enough
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Post by NoNamePerson on Nov 4, 2015 20:50:55 GMT -5
Well, the next time I'm at a sporting event, concert, etc. I'm going to the men's room. I'll just claim I'm transgender. Sure will beat standing in line with legs crossed about to pee in my pants waiting for a stall to open in the ladies room. Wonder how many tansgender will decide to use the men's room when they see the ungodly long lines in ladies restroom. There's a downside to some things!!! But if someone wants to be a woman they should have all parts removed. I mean, why shouldn't they have to sit on toilet to take a whiz and then realize there is no friggin toilet paper there. I don't think it's fair they can be a woman and just whip it out and shake it off when finished. ETA: I'll let ya'll get back to the serious crap now..... Remember... men stand and pee at the urinals... so you can't sit on the john in a stall. If you are going to claim manliness... you have to pee like a man! I could do that then I could really claim manliness - pee all over the urinal, wall and floors
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Nov 4, 2015 20:52:37 GMT -5
My daughter, if I had one, has the right to choose what male sees her naked. And that's what this boy is until he isn't anymore - a male. Anything else is pure horseshit. We've leaned over so far to accommodate "unique", we've fallen flat. This is not comparable to skin color. I'm absolutely fine with a woman of a different race in my locker room. I'm not fine with a man in it. If the parents in this school were smart, they'd pull their children immediately. Money talks. As soon as that school is about to go broke, they will change their tune.
Why do I have the feeling that this is going to open the door for lots more boys who decide they want to be girls just so they can go into the girls' locker room. And don't say it won't happen - because it will. There is absolutely no doubt of that whatsoever. People better start standing up for themselves and they better start doing it right now. Do you really think any boy will go through four years of high school, pretending to be transgender? They'll be opening themselves up to a world of hurt, bullying and humiliation and won't be able to get any dates, not to mention dressing and acting as female during that whole time. What boy would do that, just to get into the girls' locker room? It's absurd.
I don't "think" it. I know it. It happened in a school close to where live. Nobody but you said anything about spending 4 years doing it. This particular young man decided he wanted to go back to being a boy after about 2 weeks.
ETA: It didn't get to the point of the locker room but sure had everybody falling all over themselves trying to make accomodations since he wanted to be able to use the girls' restroom.
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