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Post by billisonboard on Oct 5, 2015 15:56:20 GMT -5
Your link doesn't work for me. ... Are you claiming that every country should take every asylum seeker who asks? ... I am saying that it makes sense to not apply for asylum in a nation that is likely not to accept you.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 5, 2015 17:08:48 GMT -5
I used to be a "peace, love, groovy" kind of liberal. I'm still a liberal, but I don't like what's happening. These people asked to come here...we didn't beg them. We were gracious enough to let them in, but they want us to change everything to cater to them, while sucking off the public teat. "Work? Why work? If Canada is stupid enough to give us money for nothing, we'll take it!"
Am I in an alternative dimension because I can't think of too much that welts and I have agreed on? In this case, it seems to be that there has to be a limit on how much you are willing to give in order to keep it from being taken advantage of too much. It doesn't mean you don't give anything, just that there needs to be limits in place. Did I get that right welts? You got that right.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 5, 2015 18:01:42 GMT -5
But according to the Finnish Immigration Service's head of asylum applications, Esko Repo, "by last week around 200 applications from Iraqi asylum seekers had expired," meaning the applicant had either withdrawn it or disappeared.
Finland has registered over 14,000 asylum seekers so far this year, ... news.yahoo.com/finlands-no-good-disappointed-migrants-turn-back-152042061.html Granted one number is just Iraqi and the other is total. And there is this: Early Friday, around 40 demonstrators -- including one dressed in a Ku Klux Klan outfit -- threw fireworks at a bus transporting asylum seekers to a new reception centre in the southern city of Lahti.
Another incident took place late Thursday in Kouvola, in southeastern Finland, when a 50-year-old man threw a petrol bomb at an emergency housing facility for asylum seekers. (same link as above) Of course you can focus on this one 22 year old: "You can tell the world I hate Finland. It's too cold, there's no tea, no restaurants, no bars, nobody on the streets, only cars," 22-year-old Muhammed told AFP in Tornio, as the mercury struggled to inch above 10 degrees Celsius (50 Fahrenheit) on a recent blustery grey day. (again same link)
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 7, 2015 8:41:45 GMT -5
Billis, talk to me when YOU are told by an Afghan refugee that you should be raped and killed because you're wearing jeans and a T-shirt. That's exactly what happened to me went I was buying school supplies for my son. I will certainly do that. In the meantime, I will continue to discuss general refugee issues.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 7, 2015 8:46:41 GMT -5
During the Mariel Boatlift of 1980 when over 125,000 Cuban fled Cuba via boats to Florida, the U.S. was able to screen out Cuban criminals and patients from Cuban mental hospitals (the Cuban government had put them and the criminals on the boats) and send them back to Cuba. I imagine we could do the same with any of the Middle East refugees. Mariel BoatliftThat was back when the Government actually worked. Today our government is the equivalent of the broken Communist bureacracy of the 70's. The government just does not work anymore, unless you are a citizen. Then they crush you, and demand you follow the laws., unlike an illegal
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 7, 2015 8:48:03 GMT -5
I can't bring myself to bar entry to all Syrians because there may be some jihadists among them. My exdh's Mother's family was from Syria and I used to work with a woman who's family was Syrian Orthodox - I even believe there are quite a few Syrian Orthodox (Christians) in my neighborhood. If I lived in Syria right now, my instinct would be to leave the cournty too if I could. I certainly would not want to take my chances with ISIS.
How many jihadists would be one too many?
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 7, 2015 8:49:07 GMT -5
i think we should take however many refugees that we created in Afghanistan and Iraq. And all should be in California. Maybe they could straighten out the state politically.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 7, 2015 8:52:36 GMT -5
During the Mariel Boatlift of 1980 when over 125,000 Cuban fled Cuba via boats to Florida, the U.S. was able to screen out Cuban criminals and patients from Cuban mental hospitals (the Cuban government had put them and the criminals on the boats) and send them back to Cuba. I imagine we could do the same with any of the Middle East refugees. Mariel BoatliftThat was back when the Government actually worked. Today our government is the equivalent of the broken Communist bureacracy of the 70's. The government just does not work anymore, unless you are a citizen. Then they crush you, and demand you follow the laws., unlike an illegal yea, right.
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Post by chiver78 on Oct 7, 2015 8:58:41 GMT -5
We actually did send for the doctor to come back from vacation. The son of a b!tch was willing to let her die, rather than being examined by a male. You want to import this kind of culture? I guess my question would be - was the wife incapacitated to the point where she couldn't respond to medical professionals at all? why was the hospital listening to the husband at all and not responding to the patient?
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 7, 2015 11:46:04 GMT -5
We actually did send for the doctor to come back from vacation. The son of a b!tch was willing to let her die, rather than being examined by a male. You want to import this kind of culture? I guess my question would be - was the wife incapacitated to the point where she couldn't respond to medical professionals at all? why was the hospital listening to the husband at all and not responding to the patient? She seemed terrified of him and just went along with everything he said.
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Post by chiver78 on Oct 7, 2015 11:54:15 GMT -5
do your hospitals not ask if the patient feels safe at home? I went to the ER a few summers back, straight from the hockey rink. I had taken a slapshot off the throat and had a sizable bruise and visible swelling, and that was the intake nurse's first question.
if your patient seems terrified, why wouldn't you ask that? (may or may not actually be you. I'm not sure what you do for work)
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 7, 2015 12:14:16 GMT -5
She said she felt safe at home. What else is she going to say?
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 7, 2015 12:19:40 GMT -5
The woman's answer may well be based on an outlook not understood in the West. A lot depends on the culture of her country of origin, and the culture of her family within the home. Dealing with these situations is really difficult and nuanced. In an emergency situation, it's a nightmare! Suffice it to say, if her husband is the type that might beat the living daylights out of her but wouldn't kill her, she might feel very safe at home. An Afghani woman will give you a very different answer to the question than will a Jordanian or Lebanese woman, even though all might be Muslim.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 7, 2015 12:23:18 GMT -5
The woman's answer may well be based on an outlook not understood in the West. A lot depends on the culture of her country of origin, and the culture of her family within the home. Dealing with these situations is really difficult and nuanced. In an emergency situation, it's a nightmare! Suffice it to say, if her husband is the type that might beat the living daylights out of her but wouldn't kill her, she might feel very safe at home. An Afghani woman will give you a very different answer to the question than will a Jordanian or Lebanese woman, even though all might be Muslim. I thank everything in the universe that exists that I can't understand this on any level. I acknowledge that it's real, I just can't understand it.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 7, 2015 12:36:25 GMT -5
The woman's answer may well be based on an outlook not understood in the West. A lot depends on the culture of her country of origin, and the culture of her family within the home. Dealing with these situations is really difficult and nuanced. In an emergency situation, it's a nightmare! Suffice it to say, if her husband is the type that might beat the living daylights out of her but wouldn't kill her, she might feel very safe at home. An Afghani woman will give you a very different answer to the question than will a Jordanian or Lebanese woman, even though all might be Muslim. I thank everything in the universe that exists that I can't understand this on any level. I acknowledge that it's real, I just can't understand it. Most Westerners can't. It's so foreign to our way of living it's really outside our ability to comprehend. If I hadn't lived in the culture for all those years, I wouldn't understand it, either! I still don't, really, but I have an intellectual understanding of it. That helps a little but it doesn't relieve me of the concern, the anger, and the anxiety when dealing with these patients.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 7, 2015 13:01:07 GMT -5
She said she felt safe at home. What else is she going to say? That she doesn't. I've heard some first hand tales of hospitals and police in action when the answer is no to this question. And then what? She had no education, no life skills and could barely speak the language. She also had 7 kids. What's a burqa-wearing woman to do? Cook bacon at McDonald's? Her husband probably told her she would never see her children again if she left. Or worse. Can't "dishonour" him. No. Too scared to leave, and it's not in her culture to up and leave a husband.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 7, 2015 14:06:03 GMT -5
So it is better to leave them in a country where there is no hope that they, their daughters (and sons), and grandchildren will be able to learn of any different choices.
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Post by fishy999 on Oct 7, 2015 21:46:31 GMT -5
The woman's answer may well be based on an outlook not understood in the West. A lot depends on the culture of her country of origin, and the culture of her family within the home. Dealing with these situations is really difficult and nuanced. In an emergency situation, it's a nightmare! Suffice it to say, if her husband is the type that might beat the living daylights out of her but wouldn't kill her, she might feel very safe at home. An Afghani woman will give you a very different answer to the question than will a Jordanian or Lebanese woman, even though all might be Muslim. You trying to say everything is not black and white? When in doubt kick a refugee I guess.
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Post by Ombud on Oct 12, 2015 20:40:13 GMT -5
i think we should take however many refugees that we created in Afghanistan and Iraq. And all should be in California. Maybe they could straighten out the state politically. The majority of California doesn't want them ... Only Berkeley, not even SF or Oakland
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 13, 2015 2:31:46 GMT -5
i think we should take however many refugees that we created in Afghanistan and Iraq. And all should be in California. Maybe they could straighten out the state politically. nope. they should be wherever the biggest military bases are.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 11, 2015 19:53:40 GMT -5
I have to be honest, I didn't think you were a 'must assimilate' kind of person. I would have expected this statement more from Shooby than you. Not judging... just surprised. I didn't used to be like this....then I saw what was going on around me. Ridiculous demands and honour killings and letting girl toddlers die from neglect and starvation, while the boy is healthy and coddled, plots to blow up our railroads, etc. You're welcome to it. I don't have to tolerate it.
Obviously my influence is growing! lol
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