Google Earth 89 degrees North Almost Ice Free!

[OldCoyote]

Wow I guess it must be happening,  Google Earth showing the North Pole almost free of Ice!

All you climate change people are right!  Now all the polar bears are going to die, the earth is doomed the sea has overflowed half of the low lying areas.  because of all the melted ice!

Hmmm, I haven't seen any reports of Florida being completely under water,  If all this ice is gone,  Why do we need all the icebreakers Obama says we need??

Surely google could not be fudging the truth a little here would they??

[Tennesseer]

As usual-you and climatology:  

[OldCoyote]

Sorry false alarm folk,  I just looked at the South pole,, Yea they still have all their ice,  Yea that just saved all of you living in low areas from having to move tomorrow.

[OldCoyote]

Is that not what google show Tenn,  After all if it's on the internet it has to be true!

[Tennesseer]

Sept 6, 2015 8:58:03 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Is that not what google show Tenn,  After all if it's on the internet it has to be true!

What does Google show? You have posted nothing from Google. Discombobulated this morning?

[OldCoyote]

Obama was in Alaska renamed a mountain,  Informed us that all the ice is melting,  then tells us that we need more ice breakers,  Yes I know I am so easily confused.

But listening to Obama he is apparently confused also.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 6, 2015 8:56:45 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Sorry false alarm folk,  I just looked at the South pole,, Yea they still have all their ice,  Yea that just saved all of you living in low areas from having to move tomorrow.

Why wouldn't Antarctica have their ice or even some ice? After all, it is winter there.

[OldCoyote]

It was using Google Earth. Looking down on the North pole 89 degrees North.  

I am just making fun of the Climate Change People,  to the extent they go to fabricate images that show their propaganda.

Similar to when they show a power plant cooling tower with the steam pouring out of it  acting like this is smoke being dumped into the air.

[OldCoyote]

Are you saying that since it is winter in Antarctica they have ice and that Arctic because it is summer they have no ice as the Google Earth shows.  Just wondering if that is your thought?

[Deleted]

Old coyote must have me on ignore, since I explain this every freaking time, he never comments and he keeps posting this ... stuff....

[mroped]

Uncommon extreme drought, uncommon extreme rain/snow fall in areas, weather patterns shifting, oceans currents patterns changing and rising temperature within the currents water salinity decreasing, those are just a few signs that the global warming is happening.
Some of it is part of the normal cycling of the planet but most of it is man induced.

And since you are saying that Florida is still above water, I have to ask why does it have to be Florida or any part of US that goes under water? Are you stating that you as an individual or us as a people should consider this premis only if it affects us directly?
In other words forget about those people in the Pacific whose homes are already at the brink and foresee that within the next five years they will have a few inches of water lying on their island.

Not too long ago, I read an article about some islands in the Malayesia where they already started the exodus due to rising waters. Their closest and best bet would be Sumatra Island who's government refuses to allow them in on the account that climate change is a hoax.

[Tennesseer]

I don't know why I bother.  Our resident climate expert, Oldcoyote, should know things like this.  Just one example below.


The Village (Newtok, Alaska) That Will Be Swept Away

Residents of Newtok, Alaska, voted to relocate as erosion destroyed their land. That was the easy part.
August 30, 2015

NEWTOK, Alaska—Two decades ago, the people of this tiny village came to terms with what had become increasingly obvious: They could no longer fight back the rising waters.

Their homes perched on a low-lying, treeless tuft of land between two rivers on Alaska’s west coast, residents saw the water creeping closer every year, gobbling up fields where they used to pick berries and hunt moose. Paul and Teresa Charles watched from their blue home on stilts on Newtok’s southern side as the Ninglick River inched closer and closer, bringing with it the salt waters of the Bering Sea.

“Sometimes, we lose 100 feet a year,” Paul Charles told me, over a bowl of moose soup.

Many communities across the world are trying to stay put as the climate changes, installing expensive levees and dikes and pumps, but not Newtok, a settlement of about 350 members of the Yupik people. In 1996, the village decided that fighting Mother Nature was fruitless, and they voted to move to a new piece of land nine miles away, elevated on bedrock.

Full article here:  The Village That Will Be Swept Away

The Pacific Ocean nations of Tuvalu and Kiribati will soon be under water too due to rising sea levels. It doesn't take 10 feet of rising sea water to submerge these nations when the highest point in the island nation of Kiribati is six feet above sea level. Just an inch of sea water covering much of the island will kill all possibility of growing food.

[OldCoyote]

OK I will fall for this. Just how much Proven Scientific amount has the ocean risen, at lets say one of the Keys in Key West.

Now I just picked a spot completely at random.  I didn't check anything about it.  Lets see if anyone can find how much the ocean has risen in the last 100 years at one of the islands in Key West.

This has to be scientific.  OK anyone up for this?

 

[mroped]

Do you understand the concept of a tide?
The American Keys have that so it would be hard to guess or measure with any degree of accuracy 

[OldCoyote]

One more thing,  I changed my avatar,  I took this picture  I think it was Feb 8, 1997 From on top of the Vermillion Cliffs Northern AZ.  Right next to Powell's Monument.

It was 3 oclock in the morning,  It was below zero,  I had slept outside no tent.  It was a 5 minute 30 second exposure.  Film was Kodak Royal Gold 1000. Minolta SRT102 camera

135MM lens. 

[mroped]

Is that Haley Comet?

[weltschmerz]

Sept 6, 2015 9:10:52 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

It was using Google Earth. Looking down on the North pole 89 degrees North.  

I am just making fun of the Climate Change People,  to the extent they go to fabricate images that show their propaganda.

Similar to when they show a power plant cooling tower with the steam pouring out of it  acting like this is smoke being dumped into the air.

Not very well.

[OldCoyote]

Sept 6, 2015 22:33:51 GMT -5 mroped said:

Do you understand the concept of a tide?
The American Keys have that so it would be hard to guess or measure with any degree of accuracy 

Yes I do,  there are a thousand factors involved in this.  One of course is the Moon ,  It is also effected by the planets,   Barometric pressure,  wind.  storms a thousand miles away,  Just how far the Earth is 

away from the Sun,  Eccentric orbit , the Moon also has an eccentric orbit , the closer the moon the higher the tide,  But I am sure that the scientist that tell us the ocean is rising should be able to tell

scientifically how much the ocean have risen in the last 100 years.

I just thought the Keys might have all kinds of data.

[OldCoyote]

Sept 6, 2015 22:38:41 GMT -5 mroped said:

Is that Haley Comet?

Hale Bopp!!  pretty cool huh.

[OldCoyote]

Their homes perched on a low-lying, treeless tuft of land between two rivers on Alaska’s west coast, residents saw the water creeping closer every year, gobbling up fields where they used to pick berries and hunt moose.  

Rivers do erode.

If water is not already a problem, Why do they have their house on stilts?

[Tennesseer]

Sept 6, 2015 22:23:58 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

OK I will fall for this. Just how much Proven Scientific amount has the ocean risen, at lets say one of the Keys in Key West.

Now I just picked a spot completely at random.  I didn't check anything about it.  Lets see if anyone can find how much the ocean has risen in the last 100 years at one of the islands in Key West.

This has to be scientific.  OK anyone up for this?

 

Key West is a key it does not have its own keys.

I imagine oldcoyote believes if the ocean doesn't rise a foot a year around Key West, then global warming and the rising sea does not exist.

Bergh cites several studies, including the empirical evidence of the tide gauge at Key West, one of the longest continuous records of its kind in the U.S. Its collected data indicate that from 1913 to 2006, the sea rose about nine inches. Considering how quickly the world’s glaciers and ice sheets are melting, it seems, notes Bergh, “far more likely that sea level rise in the Keys –and around the globe - will be significantly higher in this century than the last.”

Florida The $27 Billion Question

[OldCoyote]

Sept 6, 2015 11:30:19 GMT -5 oped said:

Old coyote must have me on ignore, since I explain this every freaking time, he never comments and he keeps posting this ... stuff....

oped, I don't have anyone on ignore here,  I am open to real proof that man is the cause of climate change and is not naturally occuring.

Just like this last question just how much has the ocean "REALLY" Risen in say the last 100 years?

[Tennesseer]

Sept 6, 2015 22:58:41 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Their homes perched on a low-lying, treeless tuft of land between two rivers on Alaska’s west coast, residents saw the water creeping closer every year, gobbling up fields where they used to pick berries and hunt moose.  

Rivers do erode.

If water is not already a problem, Why do they have their house on stilts?

And the salt form the Bearing Sea is mixing in with the fresh water around them.

The article does not state the homes were built with stilts. The stilts could have come after the homes were originally built. That happens all the time when shore line starts receding. Homes need to be raised onto stilts.

If you don't like Newtok, Alaska, how about Kivalina, ALaska. It's not surrounded by rivers with the Arctic Sea mixing in with the rivers like Newtok, just the Arctic Sea itself.

KIVALINA – CLIMATE CHANGE’S NEXT VICTIM

[OldCoyote]

Tenn, any report from this group would be suspect, this a bunch of tree huggers you will not get an unbiased report from them. .

[Tennesseer]

Sept 6, 2015 23:18:42 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Tenn, any report from this group would be suspect, this a bunch of tree huggers you will not get an unbiased report from them. .

And we should not suspect any supporting information you post?

If you don't trust us and we sure don't trust you, then why do you start such stupid-assed threads? Are you just trolling?

[Tennesseer]

I still chuckle about your analysis last year or so of a map showing water temperatures around the world. Because the water around Alaska was a bit warmer as designated with the darker color red than it was around Tahiti, you posted the water around Alaska was warmer than it was around Tahiti.

Another poster had to explain to you the darker red color around Alaska mean that the water was like three degrees warmer than normal and the lighter red around Tahiti was about 2 degrees warmer than normal and not that the Alaskan waters were warmer than Tahitian waters.

So your analysis of climate information is pretty much worthless if you cannot even correctly read a map.

[OldCoyote]

Any time I  look for unbiased research papers on a climate subject,  the second I see the words "Climate Change or Global Warming"

I know that this will not be an unbiased report.  Pretty simple. 

[djAdvocate]

Sept 7, 2015 9:04:12 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Any time I  look for unbiased research papers on a climate subject,  the second I see the words "Climate Change or Global Warming"

I know that this will not be an unbiased report.  Pretty simple. 

why?  are you suggesting that there is NO climate change and NO global warming?  because even PAUL agrees that there are.

[weltschmerz]

Sept 7, 2015 9:04:12 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Any time I  look for unbiased research papers on a climate subject,  the second I see the words "Climate Change or Global Warming"

I know that this will not be an unbiased report.  Pretty simple. 

Do some research on "Inuits on Climate Change." Straight from the mouths of people who actually live there. Unbiased enough for you? Or do you prefer the words of some fat redneck, sitting in his barcalounger, slamming back another Pabst Blue Ribbon, looking out his window and seeing snow, while sagely proclaiming "It's snowing! What climate change? Hyuck, hyuck!"

[djAdvocate]

Sept 7, 2015 12:51:34 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Sept 7, 2015 9:04:12 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Any time I  look for unbiased research papers on a climate subject,  the second I see the words "Climate Change or Global Warming"

I know that this will not be an unbiased report.  Pretty simple. 

Do some research on "Inuits on Climate Change." Straight from the mouths of people who actually live there. Unbiased enough for you? Or do you prefer the words of some fat redneck, sitting in his barcalounger, slamming back another Pabst Blue Ribbon, looking out his window and seeing snow, while sagely proclaiming "It's snowing! What climate change? Hyuck, hyuck!"

the orthodoxy on the right prevents any real learning.  if we can't even use the language of science to do research, then we might as well just go back to the Stone Age.