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Post by zibazinski on Sept 1, 2015 14:47:18 GMT -5
I noticed that she is a darling little girl. I hope she can escape her fate.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 1, 2015 14:49:29 GMT -5
Is that really a bad thing? Who wouldn't like to bring home the same income for fewer hours?
Maybe not as good more income for the same number of hours. But, at least it beats same income & same hours. Now at least you have more extra time to find additional sources of income. Unless employees are actually making less than before, then I don't see the downside. The whole idea behind wage increases was to raise them out of poverty at their current employer. At least that was the line of the SEIU And now you say it's ok because they have more home time or can find a second job? I'm saying as an employee I would rather make X for 30 hours of work than for 32 hours of work. I have no idea the intention behind the wage increase nor do I really care. Although this as a possible result shouldn't really surprise anyone...the extra money has to come from somewhere. They had to either cut hours or increase prices or some variation of both.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2015 15:01:39 GMT -5
The whole idea behind wage increases was to raise them out of poverty at their current employer. At least that was the line of the SEIU And now you say it's ok because they have more home time or can find a second job? I'm saying as an employee I would rather make X for 30 hours of work than for 32 hours of work. I have no idea the intention behind the wage increase nor do I really care. Although this as a possible result shouldn't really surprise anyone...the extra money has to come from somewhere. They had to either cut hours or increase prices or some variation of both. moreover, if you look at the trends in Europe and elsewhere, this is the tradeoff they have made to obtain full employment: GIVE PEOPLE MORE SPARE TIME. i think it is a very good tradeoff.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 1, 2015 15:07:07 GMT -5
Walmart will fail if they let their stores deteriorate too much. That is what happened to Hills, Jamesway, Ames, and so forth. A lot of those stores just got cruddy and then when Walmart hit the scene and was clean and fresh, people flocked. Our Walmarts in my area are very clean and well kept and they continually update the look of them. But, if they let them start falling apart, then they will lose shoppers. Target is just annoying. It is like some kind of Good n Plenty vomited in there.
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 1, 2015 15:21:51 GMT -5
I'm saying as an employee I would rather make X for 30 hours of work than for 32 hours of work. I have no idea the intention behind the wage increase nor do I really care. Although this as a possible result shouldn't really surprise anyone...the extra money has to come from somewhere. They had to either cut hours or increase prices or some variation of both. moreover, if you look at the trends in Europe and elsewhere, this is the tradeoff they have made to obtain full employment: GIVE PEOPLE MORE SPARE TIME. i think it is a very good tradeoff. dj, forgive my ignorance. What country in Europe has full employment? I did not think even Germany was close to it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2015 15:50:10 GMT -5
moreover, if you look at the trends in Europe and elsewhere, this is the tradeoff they have made to obtain full employment: GIVE PEOPLE MORE SPARE TIME. i think it is a very good tradeoff. Wait... did I miss something. I thought the point of raising wages was for people to make more money... not be just as poor with more discretionary time you must have missed the part where another posted that you can use the spare time for other work?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2015 15:53:37 GMT -5
moreover, if you look at the trends in Europe and elsewhere, this is the tradeoff they have made to obtain full employment: GIVE PEOPLE MORE SPARE TIME. i think it is a very good tradeoff. dj, forgive my ignorance. What country in Europe has full employment? I did not think even Germany was close to it. oh boy. here we go. full employment is between 2% and 13% UE, depending on the economy. in our economy, full employment is between 4% and 6%, depending on which economist you talk to. by that measure Austria, Luxembourg, Germany and Holland are at full employment, as is the US.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 1, 2015 16:17:17 GMT -5
Thought this thread could use a soundtrack. Is it any wonder why alien spacecraft bypass our planet.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2015 17:17:45 GMT -5
you must have missed the part where another posted that you can use the spare time for other work? smoke and mirrors... how do you get a job that fills your extra forced hour you take at lunch? etsy. busking. selling crack. who knows. none of your business what i do with my two hours a week. but personally? i am spending it hiking with my son, and f*&k work.
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 1, 2015 18:00:31 GMT -5
etsy. busking. selling crack. who knows. none of your business what i do with my two hours a week. but personally? i am spending it hiking with my son, and f*&k work. But the alleged point of the raised wages was to get more money to people... oh I give up The outcome changes when the $15 an hour minimum wage people want it to change. Like you said, smoke and mirrors......
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2015 18:02:35 GMT -5
etsy. busking. selling crack. who knows. none of your business what i do with my two hours a week. but personally? i am spending it hiking with my son, and f*&k work. But the alleged point of the raised wages was to get more money to people... oh I give up don't blame me for those bruises. i already explained how "fewer hours" could very easily mean "more wages". if i had two hours more per week, and i was NOT RICH (i am. fabulously), i would spend it busking. i can make about $100 in two hours. that is $400/month. tax free. suck it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2015 18:04:35 GMT -5
But the alleged point of the raised wages was to get more money to people... oh I give up The outcome changes when the $15 an hour minimum wage people want it to change. Like you said, smoke and mirrors...... repeating it doesn't make it true. higher FMW will definitely help the poor. no smoke. no mirrors. it will also decrease welfare. why conservatives can't get behind it is unfathomable on those principles.
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